Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-24 Thread John Mandereau
Il giorno lun, 16/07/2012 alle 14.57 +0200, Federico Bruni ha scritto: info manuals are only in english? I can't see other languages in /usr/share/info both info and yelp show only the english version of the manual how can I see another language? AFAIK there is no i18n design or support in

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: The standalone info reader just ignores the images. I just started gnome-help info:lilypond-notation and, well, it is still displaying Loading. P.S.: it it does not appear to finish loading. Great. So there is a use case for image-less info files after

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/7/16 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: 14.1 - don't say open source problem with German translation. Who is its maintainer (didn't found in CG) - Till Paala? I don't see his address in my address book. Reinhold, could you do this maybe (i see you did some translations)? If

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Federico Bruni
2012/7/16 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com: I will try. Just to be sure: googling for site:lilypond.org/doc/v2.15 open source which is what our search box produces, gives some other results. I'm assuming that is just the first result what bothers us, namely the German main entry web

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:50:07AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: BTW, as we have one critical bug, no release will happen on Wednesday? Or it's up to David? It will take over two weeks for GOP 2-2b stable 2.16 releases to be accepted. Until then, we continue as normal. - Graham

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Knoop
At 10:57 on 16 Jul 2012, David Kastrup wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: The standalone info reader just ignores the images. I just started gnome-help info:lilypond-notation and, well, it is still displaying Loading. P.S.: it it does not appear to finish loading. Great. So there is

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Knoop
At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660092 -- Mark Knoop ___ lilypond-devel mailing

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:50:07AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: BTW, as we have one critical bug, no release will happen on Wednesday? Or it's up to David? It will take over two weeks for GOP 2-2b stable 2.16 releases to be accepted. Until

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660092 Neither, actually. Those are described to display

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Federico Bruni
2012/7/16 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660092 Neither,

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Knoop
At 13:08 on 16 Jul 2012, David Kastrup wrote: Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660092

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: 2012/7/16 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe:

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 13:08 on 16 Jul 2012, David Kastrup wrote: Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 11:55 on 16 Jul 2012, Mark Knoop wrote: This used to work... but has recently broken. See: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568209 or maybe:

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-16 Thread Federico Bruni
2012/7/16 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: It works quite fine for me (Debian testing, yelp 3.4.2-1). yelp starts at 100% of CPU in the first seconds, then it goes down to normal values. And I can see the images (from lilypond-doc package, version 2.14.2). Well, I have yelp 3.4.1 from Ubuntu

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Graham (+1 for Graham!) all (+1 for everybody!), let's try to summarize (can you update http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_2.html, Graham?) The numbers given are from GNU policies, see above. --required 6.3 - list authors check (git does this) 6.5 - copyright

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-12 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 3.4 - trigraphs in C code wtf? You can say that again. The following is valid C: ??=include stdio.h int main(int ac, char *av??(??)) ?? printf (%s??/n, ac1 ? av??(1??) : No argument.); return 0; ?? We don't need to check this

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 3.4 - trigraphs in C code wtf? You can say that again. The following is valid C: ??=include stdio.h int main(int ac, char *av??(??)) ?? printf (%s??/n, ac1 ?

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-05 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 05/07/12 01:27, Graham Percival wrote: Thanks for checking! I'm following up on ripple and NW2LY Re NW2LY, I think you'll be OK if NW2LY itself is free software (but it didn't seem so to me?) and it is referred to as a solution to help users extract their music from a proprietary

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:22:26PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: On 2012-06-20 05:51, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs We have a list of non-free ones on the easier editing page - e.g. Noteworthy and my converter. However, it seems daft to me to remove

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:31:52PM +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 19/06/12 13:32, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs, nor require a non-free program to build 13 I’d better check the licenses of the “Easier editing” programs. If you mean the

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread @tiredpixel
On 05/07/12 00:13, Graham Percival wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:22:26PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: On 2012-06-20 05:51, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs We have a list of non-free ones on the easier editing page - e.g. Noteworthy and my

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:39:18AM +0100, @tiredpixel wrote: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/References.html Do you happen to know the GNU stance on 'recommending' software licensed under a 'free' license (as defined by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html), but not GNU?

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-20 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:51 AM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:51:21PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-20 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:51 AM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU On Tue, Jun 19

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-20 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2012-06-20 05:51, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs We have a list of non-free ones on the easier editing page - e.g. Noteworthy and my converter. However, it seems daft to me to remove these. I would think for the long list we could disclaim with

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Janek Warchoł
What happened to the formatting of this email? It looks like section numbers are in wrong places and generally i'm getting lost while reading. If you have it in a text file or something, could you send it as an attachment? cheers, Janek On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Graham Percival

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:18:04PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: What happened to the formatting of this email? It looks like section numbers are in wrong places and generally i'm getting lost while reading. If you have it in a text file or something, could you send it as an attachment?

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary: make a diff between releases11.2let’s not bother; interested parties can make a diff themselves from git. Really? git can

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:18:04PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: What happened to the formatting of this email?  It looks like section numbers are in wrong places and generally i'm getting lost while reading.  If

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:22:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary: make a diff between releases 11.2let’s not bother; interested

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Requirement     Source  questions and implications for LilyPond All authors of more than 15 lines of code need to be listed somewhere.      6.3     can we cover this requirement by pointing people at the git

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:22:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary: make a diff between

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:59:01PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Hmm, I may have misunderstood your comment. If my response about tags doesn't actually answer your concern, please elaborate. A source tarball is not the same as a snapshot of

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Requirement     Source  questions and implications for LilyPond All authors of more than 15 lines of code need to be listed somewhere.      6.3     can we cover

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:59:01PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Hmm, I may have misunderstood your comment. If my response about tags doesn't actually answer your concern, please elaborate.

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 19/06/12 13:32, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs, nor require a non-free program to build 13 I’d better check the licenses of the “Easier editing” programs. If you mean the list here: http://lilypond.org/easier-editing.html ... there are 2 proprietary

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:18:57PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So there was considerable and non-trivial difference between a vcs diff and a release tarball diff. And the instructions reflect that. I am not really all too sure how to apply this to our situation. At present, I think most

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:51:21PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: My web space runs windows IIS. We have the .iso and occasional tools (e.g. the regtest rater) running on this. Do you think this is a problem? Ouch, I'd forgotten about the regtest rater. That's C#, right? or is it .NET ? I