Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 08/19/2011 09:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: No, they don't. They don't want a free world at all - did you read their rules? The winner has to give all rights to this city hall, and the contest and its sponsors must appear an all publications of the piece forever! Er, no. They are

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Why does anyone using LilyPond care about these blokes at all? Because even if they were requesting full copyright transfer, it's not a good thing that they exclude composers on the basis of the software used. (Why does anyone care

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
Hi, Just a thought: I'm not very familiar with the use of Finale or Sibelius. But I guess it is possible to import external graphics into a Finale or Sibelius score ? It would be fun to do the following: - create your score with Lilypond. - export/convert your Lilypond score to some

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 11:52, schrieb Martin Tarenskeen: Hi, Just a thought: I'm not very familiar with the use of Finale or Sibelius. But I guess it is possible to import external graphics into a Finale or Sibelius score ? It would be fun to do the following: - create your score with Lilypond. -

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/22 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl: Hi, Just a thought: I'm not very familiar with the use of Finale or Sibelius. But I guess it is possible to import external graphics into a Finale or Sibelius score ? It would be fun to do the following: - create your score with

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/22 Mike Solomon mike...@ufl.edu: +1 Any response back from them?  I have a python patch in the wings itching to generate a six organ score. Perhaps the creation of a lilypond-advocacy list is in order?  I would not mind at all spending 15 minutes a week writing letters to

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2011/8/22 Mike Solomon mike...@ufl.edu: +1 Any response back from them?  I have a python patch in the wings itching to generate a six organ score. Perhaps the creation of a lilypond-advocacy list is in order?  I would not mind at all spending

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 08/19/2011 09:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: (Why does anyone care about a concerts for six organs at all? I'm just a humble folk musician, but I know there are great organs around where you don't need six organists playing at once.

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Monday, 22. August 2011, 12:13:55 schrieb David Kastrup: Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 08/19/2011 09:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: (Why does anyone care about a concerts for six organs at all? I'm just a humble folk musician, but I know there are great

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Robert Schmaus
Hi Lilyponderers, I agree with Joseph - let's not blow this out of proportion and start creating conspiracies. of course I also agree with everyone else that this ist simply annoying and stupid, not to mention unprofessional, on part of the contest organisers. who, by the way, replied to my

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
In this case, there are 6 organs, spaced about 30 meters apart throughout the whole church. This adds the whole space dimension to the experience. Well, there is at least one other place where you could perform pieces from this contest without organizing additional organs: The Salzburg

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com writes: Am Monday, 22. August 2011, 12:13:55 schrieb David Kastrup: Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 08/19/2011 09:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: (Why does anyone care about a concerts for six organs at all? I'm just a

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: Hi Lilyponderers, I agree with Joseph - let's not blow this out of proportion and start creating conspiracies. of course I also agree with everyone else that this ist simply annoying and stupid, not to mention unprofessional, on part of the

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 22.08.2011 13:07, schrieb Robert Schmaus: Hi Lilyponderers, I agree with Joseph - let's not blow this out of proportion and start creating conspiracies. of course I also agree with everyone else that this ist simply annoying and stupid, not to mention unprofessional, on part of the contest

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Does anyone know, what happens, if someone uses a sib-generated xml in finale? Jean Sibelius turns counterclockwise in his grave, as opposed to his direction when typesetting a score with Sibelius. -- David Kastrup

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 22.08.2011 14:02, schrieb David Kastrup: Jan-Peter Voigtjp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Does anyone know, what happens, if someone uses a sib-generated xml in finale? Jean Sibelius turns counterclockwise in his grave, as opposed to his direction when typesetting a score with Sibelius. :-) and

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/22 Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de: Am 22.08.2011 13:07, schrieb Robert Schmaus: Hi Lilyponderers, I agree with Joseph - let's not blow this out of proportion and start creating conspiracies. of course I also agree with everyone else that this ist simply annoying and stupid, not to

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Christ van Willegen
2011/8/22 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: What would be the point of using LilyPond then, if all the beautiful formatting will be lost? Keyboard entry? Click-and-edit PDF generation? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
What would be the point of using LilyPond then, if all the beautiful formatting will be lost? to stay in touch with those, who can't read .ly and wand to use it in an existing workflow (or whatever you might call it). If this xml export is finale readable, you might enter this contest and

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska lilyp...@ursliska.de writes: The point is to be more open in a bidirectional exchange. This option would allow to write scores in LilyPond even when you for some reason or the other are obliged to produce Finale/Sibelius files. There are several situations I could think of: *

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Joseph Wakeling
On 08/22/2011 03:30 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Assume that the composer has created a four part fugue with macros for the parts and counterparts, snug together with augmentation, transposition and so on. You can change the theme, and get a different fugue out. But an editor does not want to

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-08-22 um 11:34 schrieb Joseph Wakeling: On 08/19/2011 09:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: No, they don't. They don't want a free world at all - did you read their rules? The winner has to give all rights to this city hall, and the contest and its sponsors must appear an all

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Joseph Wakeling wrote: On 08/22/2011 03:30 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Assume that the composer has created a four part fugue with macros for the parts and counterparts, snug together with augmentation, transposition and so on. You can change the theme, and get a

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 15:47, schrieb Mike Solomon: You can always get Lilypond's music stream (you can see it via the \displayMusic function), which is everything expanded out (save quoted voices) unless you do some real tricky Scheme work with delays, the latter of which you'd need to be really

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 22.08.2011 15:47, schrieb Mike Solomon: You can always get Lilypond's music stream (you can see it via the \displayMusic function), which is everything expanded out (save quoted voices) unless you do some real tricky Scheme work with

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 16:40, schrieb Mike Solomon: Yup. I started doing this a while back - most of it is doable, and Jan has implemented some helper functions as well. It is kinda thorny, though, and only works for a certain category of tame music. Is this a restriction/problem on the LilyPond

dynamic padding struggles

2011-08-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Can anyone explain why the following snippet \version 2.15.8 \paper { ragged-right = ##f } \relative c'' { \dynamicUp c4 c'\mp c, \override DynamicText #'X-offset = #-12 \override DynamicLineSpanner #'Y-offset = #0 \override DynamicLineSpanner #'staff-padding = #2 c'\mp }

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 22.08.2011 16:40, schrieb Mike Solomon: Yup. I started doing this a while back - most of it is doable, and Jan has implemented some helper functions as well. It is kinda thorny, though, and only works for a certain category of tame

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Mike, The musicXML standard. It is somewhat compromised… =( This is because it is not object oriented, so (unless someone can offer me proof to the contrary) one cannot say things to the effect of cross-staff stem X should reach down to note-head Y. I also think that's impossible.

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 16:55, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 22.08.2011 16:40, schrieb Mike Solomon: Yup. I started doing this a while back - most of it is doable, and Jan has implemented some helper functions as well. It is kinda thorny, though, and only

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, Is it also measure oriented (vs. voice oriented)? There are Timewise and Partwise schemas, and stylesheets to translate between the two. Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 15:30, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de writes: The point is to be more open in a bidirectional exchange. This option would allow to write scores in LilyPond even when you for some reason or the other are obliged to produce Finale/Sibelius files. There are

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.08.2011 17:13, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Urs, Is it also measure oriented (vs. voice oriented)? There are Timewise and Partwise schemas, and stylesheets to translate between the two. Cheers, Kieren. Ah, clever. I read these words but didn't really think of what it could mean...

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/22 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com: 2011/8/22 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: What would be the point of using LilyPond then, if all the beautiful formatting will be lost? Keyboard entry? For many people it's a disadvantage. Certainly entering notes on a virtual staff

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2011/8/22 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com: 2011/8/22 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: What would be the point of using LilyPond then, if all the beautiful formatting will be lost? Keyboard entry? For many people it's a

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/22 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I tend to tackle complex programming problems on paper first.  According to your rationale, this is unreasonable as the goal is to run them on a computer.  But paper better facilitates me thinking about the problem. When I think of a melody, one reflex is

MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Kieren MacMillan dies 18/08/2011 hora 08:46: I hereby reiterate my offers of bounty and/or XML and XSLT coding assistance for any MusicXML project/effort I have a fair amount of experience coding both in C++ and Scheme (and I have played quite a lot with XML in the past), and if I were