Re: nudging hairpins

2013-04-23 Thread Ursus
Tried spacer rests, works (sort of). The decresc. hairpin now begins correct but stands a bit lower than the cresc. hairpin. Making the score to look uneven. How can that be solved? Ursus Op 23-4-2013 0:50, Nathan [via Lilypond] schreef: a2. { s4\! s2\ } | gis2. | R2.\! -- View this

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Thank you, basically that's exactly what I need for my presentation ;-) But may I ask you to send me two more/different Finale files with the following content? 1) { c'2( d') } 2) { \slurUp c'2( d') } I think that makes a nice example, comparing the two Finale files 'source' and then the

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Finale and Sibelius files Hi, could somebody be so kind and send me Finale and/or Sibelius files with the equivalent of this LilyPond file: { c' } ?

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread and...@andis59.se
On 2013-04-23 09:47, Urs Liska wrote: Thank you, basically that's exactly what I need for my presentation ;-) But may I ask you to send me two more/different Finale files with the following content? If you want you can download Finale Notepad for free. It reads/writes finale files.

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Finale and Sibelius files could somebody be so kind and send me Finale and/or Sibelius files with the

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 10:09 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Finale and Sibelius files could

Re: Conditionally color all tweaked objects

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 19:03 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Hi, is it possible somehow to hook into the engraving process and color all grobs that have been manually tweaked? In my library I have a 'draft mode'. All my functions or shorthands

Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
Many thanks for this report! You made me realize that i didn't promote LilyPond actively enough. We have unique features to offer and people in the music industry should know about us. cheers, Janek 2013/4/22 Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de: Hello, As Urs initiated quite some

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 23.04.2013 10:09, schrieb David Kastrup: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Finale and Sibelius files could somebody be so kind and send me Finale

Re: Conditionally color all tweaked objects

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 19:03 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: You could redefine \tweak but it is probably more reliable to use internals: So would such a thing be possible, maybe in Scheme? Or if that's not possible in Scheme would that be an

Re: Finale and Sibelius files

2013-04-23 Thread Noeck
To be fair: the LilyPond file will get more verbose too if you use one of the Frescobaldi templates. And not using a template is expert usage. I'm taking the liberty to slightly exaggerate in order to emphasize the point here. Can't see anything evil in it ;-) IMHO, that's perfectly fine.

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Hi David, please let me take most of your comment as acknowledged and allow me one further inquiry: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 12:30 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 11:41 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 11:41 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Uh, are we still talking about LilyPond? Maybe I wasn't clear enough, and maybe this should actually have been written in a private email. I'm not refering

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/22 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 11:41 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: [...] MusicXML [...] indeed. ;) I'd actually say it is crucial to have that in order to get LilyPond a foot

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 11:41 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Uh, are we still talking about LilyPond? Maybe I wasn't clear enough, and maybe this should actually have been

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/4/22 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Reality check. _Nobody_ is writing a single line of code related to MusicXML. Nobody is trying to see how much work it would be to consolidate some of the MusicXML work from the Philomelos guys back into

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: please let me take most of your comment as acknowledged and allow me one further inquiry: Am Montag, den 22.04.2013, 12:30 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Reality check. ... So moving LilyPond into a strategic position is more than just vigorously

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Technically speaking, you are 100% correct. I agree that talking doesn't get the job done, and i understand the frustration when someone reminds you about an issue that you remember very well but don't have

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/4/23 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Technically speaking, you are 100% correct. I agree that talking doesn't get the job done, and i understand the frustration when someone reminds you about an

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/4/23 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: But what word are we spreading? Can it work with our existing scores and data, possibly through MusicXML? No, but if it could, it would likely be the best at it.

Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Klaus Föhl
Janek Warchoł wrote: Many thanks for this report! You made me realize that i didn't promote LilyPond actively enough. We have unique features to offer and people in the music industry should know about us. As the Lilypond name was mentioned a few times in that said meeting, my impression was

Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 13:43 + schrieb Klaus Föhl: Janek Warchoł wrote: Many thanks for this report! You made me realize that i didn't promote LilyPond actively enough. We have unique features to offer and people in the music industry should know about us. As the Lilypond

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 13:45 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Selling LilyPond with vaporware MusicXML makes only sense if we want to hook people on LilyPond with the promise that they can take their scores into other products eventually. Yes, of course. And that promise only makes

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 13:45 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: Selling LilyPond with vaporware MusicXML makes only sense if we want to hook people on LilyPond with the promise that they can take their scores into other products eventually. Yes, of

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Klaus Föhl
David Kastrup writes: Likely at best halfways. For example, no header is contained in the hypothetical music output stream. Things like \transpose don't make it into the music output stream but rather just its results. Which may be enough for some workflows, but not necessary all. It does

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 22:11 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: what would be the nicest syntax using that data? \shape by David Nalesnik (it's awesome!) Docs are here: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes note

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de writes: David Kastrup writes: Likely at best halfways. For example, no header is contained in the hypothetical music output stream. Things like \transpose don't make it into the music output stream but rather just its results. Which may be enough for

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi, On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 22:11 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: what would be the nicest syntax using that data? \shape by David Nalesnik (it's awesome!) Docs

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com schrieb: Hi, On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 22:11 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: what would be the nicest syntax using that

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com schrieb: Hi, On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 22:11 +0200, Janek

Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper

2013-04-23 Thread Klaus Föhl
David Kastrup wrote: Klaus Föhl address@hidden writes: Cross-referencing to that Frankfurt meeting: one problem described to have happened at one point was that midi had turned staccato into brief note -rest -brief note. Well, that's the fault of the Midi backend. The music stream still has

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 23.04.2013 17:25, schrieb Richard Shann: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] But of course, setting the control points directly is really problematic. I guess the trouble comes when you

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.04.2013 17:37, schrieb David Nalesnik: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org mailto:u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 23.04.2013 17:25, schrieb Richard Shann: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] But of course,

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread David Nalesnik
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 23.04.2013 17:37, schrieb David Nalesnik: [...] Right--no guarantees, but you won't face the prospect of the right end of your tweaked slur becoming detached from its notehead when the spacing changes. Although

Extension:Score

2013-04-23 Thread Klaus Föhl
Hello, Just snooping around and discovering that this markup: score\relative c' { f d f a d f e d cis a cis e a g f e }/score now [works on|has been enabled for] mediawiki i.e. en.wikipedia.org Cheers Klaus ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com schrieb: I'm a little confused here too. I watched the demo (very cool, BTW!) and you are starting with a default curve, if I'm not mistaken. Well,

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:31 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: Am 23.04.2013 17:25, schrieb Richard Shann: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com schrieb: Hi, On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Janek Warchoł

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:49 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:16 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com schrieb: I'm a little confused here too. I watched the demo (very cool, BTW!) and you are

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:49 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: What about this: ask the user to drag the control points. Then he doesn't have to click precisely on the control point. ... well, continuing from my email in response to Urs Denemo does

Re: Extension:Score

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
Wow! I thought that was abandoned. Great news! Now let's just fix 2658, release 2.18, tell mediawiki to upgrade and we can begin replacing all ugly Sibelius-made examples with Lily! Yippie! Janek 2013/4/23 Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de: Hello, Just snooping around and discovering

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 18:23 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:49 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: What about this: ask the user to drag the control points. Then he doesn't have to click precisely on the control point. ...

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/23 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 18:23 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hey, i have an idea: what about conbining both approaches? - user enters slur editing mode, control points appear. - user clicks on first control point - holding the mouse button down, he

Re: Extension:Score

2013-04-23 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 23/04/2013 17:49, Klaus Föhl ha scritto: Hello, Just snooping around and discovering that this markup: score\relative c' { f d f a d f e d cis a cis e a g f e }/score now [works on|has been enabled for] mediawiki i.e. en.wikipedia.org Commands like \time or \key seem not to work...

Question regarding connectArpeggio.

2013-04-23 Thread Hwaen Ch'uqi
Greetings All, Is it possible, once PianoStaff.connectArpeggios has been set to ##t, to revert this change within an instantiated voice? Any acvice is welcome. Thank you so much. Hwaen Ch'uqi ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Christopher R. Maden
I am comfortable with LilyPond, but not quite an expert. I am an expert in XML and XSLT, and it sounds like it would be of benefit to LilyPond to have better support for MusicXML (though I don’t use it myself). Can someone please summarize (or point me to a summary of) the current state of

Re: How to get dynamics centred on a piano staff?

2013-04-23 Thread Peter Toye
Thanks Urs and all others who pointed out what I'd missed in the documentation. Maybe the heading in the documentation is a bit misleading - in this particular case the dynamic is definitely NOT attached to a note! Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 23 avr. 2013, at 21:21, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: I am comfortable with LilyPond, but not quite an expert. I am an expert in XML and XSLT, and it sounds like it would be of benefit to LilyPond to have better support for MusicXML (though I don’t use it myself). Can

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Paul Morris
On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: Can someone please summarize (or point me to a summary of) the current state of MusicXML support, what needs to be done, and the infrastructure? E.g., is a standalone XSLT conversion acceptable, or should MusicXML

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 20:45 +0200 schrieb Urs Liska: Hm, this seems not to be the first time my phone censors my reply text :-( What I had written is somewhat like: Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org schrieb: I am comfortable with LilyPond, but not quite an expert.

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 21:43 +0300 schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 23 avr. 2013, at 21:21, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: I am comfortable with LilyPond, but not quite an expert. I am an expert in XML and XSLT, and it sounds like it would be of benefit to LilyPond

Re: How to get dynamics centred on a piano staff?

2013-04-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/22 Peter Toye lilyp...@ptoye.com: Also, I have to use the || construction a lot because there's a mix of homophonic and polyphonic writing. I can't work out how to start (say) a crescendo in the middle of a polyphonic section and terminate it in a monophonic section, and vice-versa,

Re: Extension:Score

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Wow! I thought that was abandoned. Great news! Now let's just fix 2658, release 2.18, tell mediawiki to upgrade and we can begin replacing all ugly Sibelius-made examples with Lily! 2658 makes rather little difference for PNG generation.

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Noeck
Am 23.04.2013 21:32, schrieb Urs Liska: Am Dienstag, den 23.04.2013, 20:45 +0200 schrieb Urs Liska: Hm, this seems not to be the first time my phone censors my reply text :-( Thunderbird didn't display it for me either, but in the source code of your previous mail, the following passage was

Re: Alignment problem with instrument name

2013-04-23 Thread Wim van Dommelen
What you need is setting the indent-values and tune these to what you need/want.'indent' in the paper block is for the first system, 'short-indent' for all others. Notation manual (v.2.16.0) page 485/486.Small compiling example attached.Another option could be to make a column out of "C.A." that

Re: Setting X-offset and Y-offset graphically.

2013-04-23 Thread SoundsFromSound
Hi all, I just felt the need to say a big THANK YOU to everyone involved here - LilyPond is so damn powerful, and my scores always look great when printed. Between Denemo and Frescobaldi both helping me to harness the power of LilyPond, it's just a dream - really. Engraving music prior to using

Re: Alignment problem with instrument name

2013-04-23 Thread Peter Toye
Wim, Thanks. As a newbie I'm a bit surprised that Lilypond doesn't do that automatically. But at least I've got a workaround. Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com - Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 8:50:04 PM, you wrote: What you need is setting the

Guile 2 for Lilypond

2013-04-23 Thread Thomas Spuhler
The documentation says, lilypond needs at least Guile (1.8.2 or newer) Can I assume the guile-2.0-6 will now work? At least with the development version? -- Best regards Thomas Spuhler signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Guile 2 for Lilypond

2013-04-23 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Spuhler tho...@btspuhler.com writes: The documentation says, lilypond needs at least Guile (1.8.2 or newer) Can I assume the guile-2.0-6 will now work? At least with the development version? No. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Vaughan McAlley
On 24 April 2013 05:32, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: As David (and Mike) pointed out not everything is included in the music stream, so a XSLT conversion won't be completely sufficient (although probably a good start and way better than the status quo). Maybe there would be a way

LilyPond Linux distro?

2013-04-23 Thread ryanmichaelmcclure
I have been looking for something like this but have been unable to find anything...does anyone know if there is a LilyPond distro? That is, one made entirely for LilyPond? It would be nce to have a small, portable distro that just had LilyPond, a text editor, and a PDF viewer (or a LilyPond GUI

Re: LilyPond Linux distro?

2013-04-23 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/4/24 ryanmichaelmcclure ryanmichaelmccl...@gmail.com I have been looking for something like this but have been unable to find anything...does anyone know if there is a LilyPond distro? That is, one made entirely for LilyPond? It would be nce to have a small, portable distro that just

Re: MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 23 avr. 2013, at 22:32, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: I think that a Python program might be a good idea: - I'm sure there is good XML support with Python (don't really know, though) You're right - it is good. - We could surely use code or experience from the musicxml2ly

Re: some Musikmesse and MusicXML

2013-04-23 Thread Vaughan McAlley
On 23 April 2013 02:01, Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de wrote: Hello, As Urs initiated quite some discussion with his 'lobbying' paper, I shall turn my ballpen-on-paper notes from Frankfurt into Bytes... ... my comments, clarifications {} ... organised by scorio { it took some locals

Re: LilyPond Linux distro?

2013-04-23 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Ryan, like Frederico mentioned, you don't need more than damn small linux, lilypond and frescobaldi. But one thing, I would like to ask in this context is, what would it mean, to set up a repository - in ubuntu it probably would be a PPA on launchpad - where you can install the current