Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 16.05.2015 um 16:38 schrieb Frauke Jurgensen: Yes, some decades ago (i.e. when Apel was writing), it was common to transcribe mensural music at a value reduction of 4:1 (i.e. 3/4 for Circle); now, 3/2 is a more common transcription level, and most specialist performers prefer to read either

Re: lilypond, frescobaldi, and Fedora 22

2015-05-16 Thread Johan Vromans
I don't know about F22 and dfn, but pre-F22 rpm and yum had options to prevent following dependencies. Alternativey, you can make a dummy rpm package that provides the lilypond dependency and install that. Then you can add python-ly and frescobaldi. -- Johan

Parallel music expressions on 1 stave with different notehead sizes?

2015-05-16 Thread Rosalie Fay
How in Lilypond can I engrave two music expressions, \soprano and \alto, in parallel on one stave in such a way that: 1. while they have the same rhythm, the notes share stems and beams 2. while they have the same rest-sequence, only one rest-sequence is engraved 3. the notes of \soprano are

Re: lilypond, frescobaldi, and Fedora 22

2015-05-16 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno sab 16 mag 2015 alle 17:40, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl ha scritto: In Fedora 22 the yum command has been replaced by dnf. Unfortately dnf remove remove lilypond automatically also removes the python-ly and frescobaldi packages. And if I do dnf install frescobaldi the

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 16.05.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Phil Holmes: I've been doing something similar with madrigals from around 1590. You will likely find tags useful, to identify where you need to use different notation for modern and ancient music. If you can't see how this works, please let me know: I don't have

lilypond, frescobaldi, and Fedora 22

2015-05-16 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
Hi, Since the Fedora 22 (beta) package of LilyPond doesn't work I decided to remove (sudo dnf remove lilypond) lilypond from my system for now and downloaded and installed the Linux installer version from the LilyPond website instead. This one does work because it includes older and

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
Ah, thanks! That makes perfect sense. If I understand correctly, it would, however, mean inputting everything in halved note values? That might get messy, once ligatures are involved... On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de wrote: Am 16.05.2015 um 16:38 schrieb

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread karl
Phil Holmes: ... You will likely find tags useful, to identify where you need to use different notation for modern and ancient music. ... I have a tags example available at (suggestions for improvements are welcome!):

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread karl
Frauke: I suspect I'm just being a bit thick...typesetting some mensural notation, Nice to meet another person like interested! and having an issue with the mensural signs/time sigs. It looks like the definitions of these in terms of modern time signatures are in half values; e.g., Circle

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
Yes, some decades ago (i.e. when Apel was writing), it was common to transcribe mensural music at a value reduction of 4:1 (i.e. 3/4 for Circle); now, 3/2 is a more common transcription level, and most specialist performers prefer to read either from original note values (if transcribed), or from

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
Thanks, I will look into that! I'm also interested in the rest placement function. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: I've been doing something similar with madrigals from around 1590. You will likely find tags useful, to identify where you need to use

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
Thank you, that first thing worked perfectly. At the moment, I still have the parts in score (to check they're all at least the same length, which is a feature sadly missing in some of the manuscripts I'm dealing with). I'm bullying the ligatures into submission (such as when the second semibreve

Re: Parallel music expressions on 1 stave with different notehead sizes?

2015-05-16 Thread Klaus Blum
Hi Rosalie, one of the snippets could help you: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/snippets-big-page#simultaneous-notes-changing-a-single-note_0027s-size-in-a-chord But you will have to tweak each single note head, which might be somewhat cumbersome: %

Re: Move bass note in a slash chord symbol?

2015-05-16 Thread Peter Crighton
2015-05-16 3:51 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com: 2015-05-16 3:14 GMT+02:00 Peter Crighton petecrigh...@gmail.com: Hi all, I have this rather long chord name that is taking too much horizontal space in a sheet I’m working on. How can I move the “/F” part beneath the rest

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Phil Holmes
I've been doing something similar with madrigals from around 1590. You will likely find tags useful, to identify where you need to use different notation for modern and ancient music. If you can't see how this works, please let me know: I don't have time right now to give examples. I also

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread karl
[about \scaleDurations] Ah, thanks! That makes perfect sense. If I understand correctly, it would, however, mean inputting everything in halved note values? Have a look at: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-duration Regards, /Karl Hammar

Changing staff

2015-05-16 Thread Marco
Hello, I would like to know if is possible to reproduce the Changing staff example (Chapter 2.2.1 Common notation for keyboards of Lilypond guide) using: - a single file left.ly for the Left-Hand - a single file right.ly for the Right-Hand - a file general.ly to generate the pdf output file.

Re: SATB polyphonic lyrics problems

2015-05-16 Thread Phil Holmes
I've now been sent a copy of the lilypond code in text format: please use this in any future questions. Lilypond does not handle temporary voices and lyrics terribly well. I would suggest 2 potential solutions: a) use explicit voices for all your polyphonal parts, with spacer rests where

Ottavation text too long for next line

2015-05-16 Thread Knute Snortum
I have a piece where I need a fairly long ottavation text that goes from one line to the next (it says that the ottavation applies to the right hand only). The problem is that there is only one measure on the second line and the text doesn't fit when it's repeated. One solution is to set \break

RE: Ottavation text too long for next line

2015-05-16 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Knute, When I eliminated the indent ( \layout {\indent = #0} ), all of it fits on the first line. Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Knute Snortum Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 10:14

Re: lilypond, frescobaldi, and Fedora 22

2015-05-16 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sat, 16 May 2015, Federico Bruni wrote: Il giorno sab 16 mag 2015 alle 17:40, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl ha scritto: In Fedora 22 the yum command has been replaced by dnf. Unfortately dnf remove remove lilypond automatically also removes the python-ly and frescobaldi

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Graham King
On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 15:38 +0100, Frauke Jurgensen wrote: I'm working on a bigger project that may involve generating multiple versions in different types of notation from the same source file; If by this you mean modern notation in full note values, half note values, etc. I have a solution.

Re: SATB polyphonic lyrics problems

2015-05-16 Thread Brian Barker
At 10:17 16/05/2015 +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Alan Struthers To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:07 AM Subject: SATB polyphonic lyrics problems I am brand new to Lilypond. I have tried and tried to figure out how to code SATB four

Re: opinions?

2015-05-16 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Thanks Luca I will give it a try! Stephen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Noeck
It's a bit big to post on the list, and I don't have anywhere to host it reliably at the moment (It uses multiple files, ... Multiple files are a more difficult case, but in general you can use services as this: http://pastebin.com/aVZXGEJ9 (this one expires in one week). I hope you're also

Re: Changing staff

2015-05-16 Thread Peter Heisen
Marco, I did not see PIerre's e-mail prior to sending my own. I notice that our example files are slightly different but both perfectly valid. Regards, Pete On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Peter Heisen writepeterhei...@gmail.com wrote: Marco, I may not understand what you are asking.

Re: Parallel music expressions on 1 stave with different notehead sizes?

2015-05-16 Thread Klaus Blum
Hi Rosalie, maybe a small function will make the complicated job a little less complicated: % - \version 2.18 \include english.ly t = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) #{ \tweak font-size #-2 #music #}) soprano = { g'8

Re: unfamiliar articulation mark

2015-05-16 Thread Stan Sanderson
Johan- I found a midi of the piece (Capriccio IX) in which a trill is played at the mark in question. The stylized characters looked more like a “tu” than “tr” to me. Thanks for your excellent guess. Stan On May 16, 2015, at 3:00 AM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote: I would guess it is a

Re: Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Phil Holmes
My understanding is that the Mensural time signatures are simply mapped to a convenient, similar modern signature. Thus what we now refer to a common time (4/4) maps to a broken circle, which it resembles. Since there are no bar lines in mensural music, the actual time signature is pretty

Re: afterGrace on Completion_heads_engraver layout

2015-05-16 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-05-16 13:58 GMT+02:00 Venus' Wink venuswi...@inbox.com: Hi, I've found this is a known bug: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2769 Thanks Venus' Wink I've updated issue 2769 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2769 with the workaround Thanks, Harm

Re: unfamiliar articulation mark

2015-05-16 Thread Noeck
Hi Stan, there were quite funny ways to write an r in the past. For instance the third letter in the second row is an r: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:S%C3%BCtterlin-Ausgangsschrift.jpg It also has this “u-shape”. Joram Am 16.05.2015 um 14:01 schrieb Stan Sanderson: Johan- I found a

Re: SATB polyphonic lyrics problems

2015-05-16 Thread Phil Holmes
Could you attach a text-only version of your score, please? -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Alan Struthers To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:07 AM Subject: SATB polyphonic lyrics problems I am brand new to Lilypond. I have tried and

Re: unfamiliar articulation mark

2015-05-16 Thread Noeck
I would guess it is a tr for trill, but that is just a guess. Joram Am 16.05.2015 um 04:50 schrieb Stan Sanderson: I’m hoping someone will recognize the mark above the sharped note in the attached screen shot. It is from a capriccio for keyboard by J. J. Froberger and appears many times.

Re: afterGrace on Completion_heads_engraver layout

2015-05-16 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-05-16 11:58 GMT+02:00 Venus' Wink venuswi...@inbox.com: Hi, I'm trying use \afterGrace on layout consists Completion_heads_engraver as: \version 2.18.2 \layout { \context { \Voice \remove Note_heads_engraver \consists Completion_heads_engraver } }

Re: opinions?

2015-05-16 Thread Luca Rossetto Casel
Dear Stephen, Il 15/05/2015 22:18, Stephen MacNeil ha scritto: [...] shorter would be nice however, minimum-length has no effect since it's not maximum. well, in a undirect way it actually has: reducing minimum-lenght controls indeed the maximum extension of the slur. To avoid collisions

afterGrace on Completion_heads_engraver layout

2015-05-16 Thread Venus' Wink
Hi, I'm trying use \afterGrace on layout consists Completion_heads_engraver as: \version 2.18.2 \layout { \context { \Voice \remove Note_heads_engraver \consists Completion_heads_engraver } } { c'4 \afterGrace a4 b16 } which issues attached test.pdf. The a4

Re: afterGrace on Completion_heads_engraver layout

2015-05-16 Thread Venus' Wink
-Original Message- From: thomasmorle...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:40:02 +0200 To: venuswi...@inbox.com Subject: Re: afterGrace on Completion_heads_engraver layout 2015-05-16 11:58 GMT+02:00 Venus' Wink venuswi...@inbox.com: Hi, I'm trying use \afterGrace on layout

Mensural notation: 2 questions

2015-05-16 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
Hello all, I suspect I'm just being a bit thick...typesetting some mensural notation, and having an issue with the mensural signs/time sigs. It looks like the definitions of these in terms of modern time signatures are in half values; e.g., Circle maps on to 3/2, when it should map on to 3/1. My

Re: Ottavation text too long for next line

2015-05-16 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hi Knute, well this is one of those complicated cases where Lily is not yet smart enough. I’d suggest to make the text ‘shorter’, the following may give some ideas: \version 2.19.20 \language english octaveUp = { \set Staff.ottavation = \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 1.5) \column

PDF portfolio of 2.19.20 docs

2015-05-16 Thread Nick Payne
I've created a fully indexed portfolio of the 2.19.20 PDF docs. You can get it from https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dsr26h8n8wpv8z/lilydoc-2.19.20.pdf?dl=0 (38Mb). Needs Adobe Reader - I haven't found a 3rd party PDF viewer that can cope with PDF portfolios. Nick

Re: Ottavation text too long for next line

2015-05-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Knute, Maybe something like this will work for you? \version 2.19.20 \language english #(define (ottava-jr grob) (let* ( ;; have we been split? (orig (ly:grob-original grob)) ;; if yes, get the split pieces (our siblings) (siblings (if (ly:grob?

Re: Changing staff

2015-05-16 Thread Peter Heisen
Marco, I may not understand what you are asking. Section 3.3.1 of the notation manual, Including LilyPond Files, describes the use of \include. The \include command substitutes the contents of filename.ly wherever \include filename.ly is placed. (Sometimes the component files are named *.ily

Re: Changing staff

2015-05-16 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Marco, sure it's possible. See enclosed files. Cheers, Pierre 2015-05-16 20:51 GMT+02:00 Marco bagolin.ma...@gmail.com: Hello, I would like to know if is possible to reproduce the Changing staff example (Chapter 2.2.1 Common notation for keyboards of Lilypond guide) using: - a single