Re: Version control tools

2014-01-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 08/01/14 19:40, Yann wrote: With hg, each clone of a repository IS a complete repository itself. So your working copy is a repository itself (the main folder just contains a hidden .hg folder with all the history data). I feel this is an advantage over svn when working locally, as your data

Re: Version control tools

2014-01-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 08/01/14 21:13, David Kastrup wrote: Actually, that seems like a mischaracterization to me. It's the single file logs which aren't cheaper than the multi-file logs. You could be right. In any case, the Facebook devs are claiming wins for all change-related commands, including status,

Re: Version control tools

2014-01-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/01/14 14:51, Urs Liska wrote: I don't think it would be advisable to encourage any _new_ user to learn SVN or CVS (if it isn't for a specific project of interest), but for your use case this is surely a valid question. One way in which svn can still be useful is in cases where you want

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 08/12/13 22:42, Janek Warchoł wrote: My experience says otherwise (maybe because my choir is not professional): we continued to sing this moment badly for the next 5 years. Well, then your complaint is certainly valid! :-) I have seen it about 10 times already, in scores coming from

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not enough to go and create one installer - we need

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organize things is to have one install bundle for

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 16:52, David Kastrup wrote: The last time I thought that was when I wanted to compare how much worse Emacs fared when using it for working on LaTeX files compared to a specialized simple text editor called Kile or something. Emacs hit in at over 16MB with my current work session

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I've already said I oppose this, and I'll restate this. I think it's unfortunate that your opposition consists of just saying no, rather than trying to work out if there are ways to get what you want _and_ get what other people are suggesting. For

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote: Patches welcome. Should I take that as conceding the argument in principle? :-) I know it's frustrating to see so much discussion and no code, but one reason people discuss so much is because they want to make sure there is a solution that will satisfy

Re: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: Have you looked at Eja Mater awful Finale.pdf? Do you consider the issues marked in red minor? They actually make it very difficult to

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:39, SoundsFromSound wrote: I could assist with Finale 2014 though I hesitate to call myself an 'expert' in Finale. Power user maybe, but no expert. Does that help? I think that power user would be fine for the kind of test run I proposed. I mean, so long as you don't let your

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 20:05, Urs Liska wrote: I have to throw in a comparison: http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/07_02.png http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/finale2008_one-system.png These are an excerpt from a copyright piece, but I've got permission to display in the context of a tutorial

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:54, Urs Liska wrote: But once we're going to compete with people from other tools' mailing lists it will probably become a real (and therefore less informative) competition. Well, if you couch it in terms along the lines of, Hey, we're just trying to improve our software here,

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 20:21, Urs Liska wrote: I think fixing the Finale part (reliably) will be much more problematic, at least with this kind of music where the complexity leads to that amount of catastrophic results as in the Finale version. That's why you want to run the test, to see if a good and

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 05/12/13 21:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: as promised, here are engraving comparisons that i hand out to musicians i meet: What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? I hate to say this, but from my point of view (as a Lilypond user and enthusiast) I think that rather than

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/12/13 20:02, Urs Liska wrote: Some more aspects to this: How reliably can these faults be fixed? What happens to the fixes if you screw up with a tweak. What if the layout changes because of corrections or a different paper format? How can someone else fix issues in a score? etc. etc.

Re: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

2013-12-05 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/12/13 19:02, Phil Holmes wrote: For me, I'd say that we should not install Frescobaldi as a pre-requisite of running Lily on Windows. I'm a heavy Windows user, and would not want another program installed by default. I've not used it, but I do understand that many people feel it's

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/12/13 22:47, David Kastrup wrote: You are aware that the Sibelius development team has been laid off due to financial problems of their parent company in spite of Sibelius having a paying market and turning a profit? Yes, fully. But there is still _a_ Sibelius development team, there is

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/12/13 10:33, David Kastrup wrote: Uh, the original developers of Sibelius made Avid an offer for buying Sibelius back. The offer was turned down. Happy to have this discussion if you want it, but I think it's getting away from the point I wanted to make. It's simply that I don't see

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/12/13 11:18, David Kastrup wrote: It's not really a discussion: I am just reiterating points already made a lot of times with regard to Free Software. Corporate parents can easily become a liability rather than an asset, and when that happens, you are powerless as a user. Yes, I'm very

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/13 22:20, David Kastrup wrote: Scheme _is_ its scripting language. How much scope is there for creating a stable scripting API which could be used via Scheme (default) or any arbitrary language of choice, so long as someone writes bindings for that language? I ask because in our

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/13 16:00, David Kastrup wrote: How about companies which cannot risk getting locked in to software that may stop being maintained in future? I'm not sure that's a selling point, either. As long as there's a paying market, commercial software tends to keep getting maintained. By

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 15:09, immanuel litzroth wrote: 1) I don't seem to run into many of these problems with lilypond and I do transcriptions of small ensembles *and* export all the voices separately (that's including drums) -- I almost never have to clean up for readability issues, and don't have the

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 30/11/13 21:40, David Kastrup wrote: The backend is much less coherent, so expertise is harder to acquire, people tend to work with partial knowledge, and progress is a lot more fragile. We need to get those four months down, and yes, a shouting match is not going to help. What will help is

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 09:45, David Kastrup wrote: Finale output is ugly to the degree where it is distracting readability, particularly for instrumentalists. Sibelius' corporate parent has fired its core developer team in the UK, including its original authors. Steinberg does not yet have a finished

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 12:49, David Kastrup wrote: I don't think this sort of preplanning works out well. Mostly it just leads to people going away until the stuff they are not interested in is done. We need to figure out better ways to work on parallel and partly conflicting goals. Yes, I guess that's

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 14:00, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I disagree somewhat… and so do most of my Finale- and Sibelius-using friends and colleagues, who complain endlessly about how much time it takes to tweak scores and parts. How does that compare to their reaction to Lilypond? I would guess amazement

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 14:13, immanuel litzroth wrote: I follow a music education program that requires me to play in a combo 1 hour a week. The scores there are prepared by paid professionals, usually in Sibelius. They are invariably late, and usually unreadable when they arrive. Chords on top of each

Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/12/13 14:56, immanuel litzroth wrote: Here's a nice example. That's almost certainly someone writing to full score (which has particular spacing properties) and auto-exporting to parts without ever actually looking at them. Surprise to surprise, the horizontal spacing issues are

Re: film score example

2013-11-30 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
agree with you that the use of these combinations of Unicode glyphs does not seem to work well (I tried out a few different fonts in LibreOffice just to compare and contrast; uck). 2013/11/29 Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net: Actually, I wonder if rather than special glyphs

Re: text accidentals [was Re: film score example]

2013-11-30 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 30/11/13 12:30, Janek Warchoł wrote: We'll see how to split the amount between sponsors when i'm finished - i originally intended to do just flat, natural and sharp, so doing all microtonal accidentals may take me extra time. Why don't we split the task? Regular accidentals first as a

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 13/09/13 05:54, Curt wrote: - Hairpins are surprisingly difficult. Most instruments do not have a natural decay, so hairpins don't necessarily start or end right at the note boundaries. It's necessary to use fake voices in these cases. Even with this, it didn't

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 29/11/13 15:34, Janek Warchoł wrote: What do you think about \at function that David wrote? (see snippet here https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/input-shorthands/articulations-not-aligned-with-notes) The syntax is a bit awkward, but this function already does exactly what we

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 29/11/13 15:45, David Kastrup wrote: Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭, F♯ and so on? They are _supposed_ to go well with the text font and kern properly. Should fit nicely with the idea of a \textPitch function I floated in the other email. Are there any

Re: Discussion: automatic engraving and single-source publishing

2013-11-26 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 26/11/13 11:01, David Kastrup wrote: Sure. For that reason, I consider much of the time spent on tweaking and tweaking tools a waste of lifetime better spent on trying to get the automatisms right. Of course, that option is harder and requires different resources. But it only needs to be

Re: Learn from Finale 2014 (seriously)?

2013-11-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/11/13 11:16, Jan-Peter Voigt wrote: there is a snippet in LSR: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336 which did this for a long time. Please note that multi-measure rests are not automatically combined. In addition, it hardly matches the ease of the Sibelius/Finale features if the

Re: Learn from Finale 2014 (seriously)?

2013-11-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/11/13 15:05, Jan-Peter Voigt wrote: there is an update of this snippet in the mail archives and I will post my version later. Fantastic, thank you! :-) You're right, but I would take this as a proposal to add this as a standard command to lily. Yes, I agree. In fact for optimal

Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony

2013-11-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 05/11/13 07:44, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Please submit this snippet to the LSR! He can't, it's the actual beginning of Ferneyhough's score and so under copyright. The notation is cool, though, and I'm sure it's easy to come up with a similar example that is original.

Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony

2013-11-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/11/13 18:55, David Kastrup wrote: That would be the case even if Ferneyhough were not British to start with. Your other points are fine, but what's Ferneyhough's nationality got to do with it? FWIW, he's been resident in the US for 25+ years now, and his publisher is German ...

Re: Ferneyhough-style Interruptive Polyphony

2013-11-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/11/13 17:06, Urs Liska wrote: Really? From my experience publishers don't have/make problems with giving a free licence to use such an excerpt for such a purpose. IIRC stuff in the LSR is supposed to be dedicated to the public domain, and there's no way I can see to do that. Anyway,

Re: Globally disable transposition

2013-11-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/11/13 08:56, David Kastrup wrote: Ugh. Why not #(define-music-function (parser location p1 p2 m) (ly:pitch? ly:pitch? ly:music?) m) Thanks for the improved version! I'm not exactly fluent in Scheme -- combine that with needing to work out which of Lilypond's variable types to use,

Globally disable transposition

2013-11-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
Hello all, Is there a quick and easy way of disabling transposition (i.e. the effects of both \transpose and \transposition commands) for an entire Staff, StaffGroup or Score? Thanks best wishes, -- Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Globally disable transposition

2013-11-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/11/13 16:55, Urs Liska wrote: Does it work if you redefine it with transpose = {} ? Nope. Remember that transposition statements are things like: \transpose bf c' { ... } and \transposition bf So, if you just define transpose and transposition as empty music, Lilypond will

Re: Globally disable transposition

2013-11-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/11/13 00:05, Jim Long wrote: I'm not sure that this suggestion meets any of your criteria (especially \transposition), but: \version 2.17.26 music = \new Staff \relative e' { e b' g b, e1 } unTmusic = \withMusicProperty #'untransposable ##t \music \score { \transpose e f

Re: Globally disable transposition

2013-11-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/11/13 17:44, Urs Liska wrote: But you should be able to define a music function that simply prints the music it is passed. Use parameters for the two pitches and ignore them. Can't try out because I'm on the phone, but you should be able to go that way. Ahh, of course. Here's what I

Re: Project Completed(-ish): 120 R.H. Studies by Giuliani

2013-09-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/09/13 17:26, Kale Good wrote: Hello all, I haven't had a chance to do a serious proof read of this yet; I wanted to do it today but some other work came up, so I'm sending it out more than a little unfinished. All the notes and fingerings are there (or should be), but I haven't tweaked

Re: Off-topics : vibrato

2013-04-24 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/24/2013 04:36 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Another common option is simply indicating 'vib.', 'senza vib.', 'molto vib.' Depends how precise a visual indicator you want to have of the type of vibrato, particularly with respect to precise indication of the 'vertical' extent (i.e. the range of

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/09/2013 06:26 PM, Urs Liska wrote: When I used Finale one had to draw a rectangle with the mouse that then was exported. Needless to say that this is a poor way to consistently line up music fragments in a text document. I doubt this is the way a hardcore professional engraving person

Re: lilypond source and music sheet database

2013-04-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/07/2013 09:23 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Have you tried with LilyPond PDFs? I think they tend to compress on the object level which _might_ work reasonably with some of git's packing techniques. No. I did take a look inside them before writing my previous email -- they certainly have

Re: lilypond source and music sheet database

2013-04-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/07/2013 06:51 PM, Stjepan Horvat wrote: I realy like git too..Once i tried to make my own git server on my private web-server so when i finish the work i can send the customer his pdf folder link..but..that didnt work becouse you cant see actual files on git web server..like you can on

Re: lilypond source and music sheet database

2013-04-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/06/2013 10:50 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: The things is, use git for tracking source files, not pdfs. If you put \version statements in all your .ly files, you can always recreate a pdf with appropriate LilyPond version. Actually, it might make sense to track some pdfs as well, but i'd

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/04/2013 02:50 PM, Alexander Kobel wrote: Then, everybody is free to use my-app.C constraint to my terms, since they are imposed on this very file. However, nobody would be allowed to use /GSL/ to compile this program, because GPL considers my-app.C a covered work /whenever used with

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/03/2013 01:08 PM, Wols Lists wrote: Dare I suggest you look at section zero? The second paragraph of which says, and I quote: You're talking about GPL version 2, not GPL version 3. Compare: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html ... where the second paragraph of Section 0 is exactly

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/29/2013 10:39 PM, Urs Liska wrote: First of all, I think we have quite a consensus on what we intend - which is a good start. Yup. :-) I slightly disagree, although your considerations are valuable and give some good insights in the situation. I think the 'ambiguity' Joe is talking

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/29/2013 11:26 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: but aside from that I think there are probably several other ways in which it could be done, including ensuring that all files intended to be \include'd

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/30/2013 01:02 AM, Alexander Kobel wrote: On the other hand, user C /should/ be allowed to distribute source code under whatever license he wants to /as long as he doesn't ship the GPL libraries with it./ It's useless without them, but anybody who wants to run or compile the code is

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 03:52 PM, David Kastrup wrote: The main difference is work as a whole vs mere aggregation. If you include some file as a form of invoking its documented interface, you form no new combined work. Indeed, which if I recall right is how Google was able to provide non-GPL'd header

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 05:07 PM, Alexander Kobel wrote: This certainly applies to compiled code, with the GPL'ed library statically linked, and also (I stand corrected) with dynamic linkage, AFAIU. I still cannot see how it /could/ possibly apply to source code: Well, the examples you cite consider a

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 07:07 PM, Urs Liska wrote: My suggestion would be to either have a sort of lilypond license or (better) an explicit exception/clarification stating that the use of functions defined in the LilyPond distribution (either implicit or through an explicit include) do not require

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 07:33 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: If I do not copy the actual file into my .ly file but only have the \include statement, I have not violated copyright. It would be up to any subsequent user to obtain the copyrighted Bob Jones file to use with \include or to come up with a

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 08:53 PM, David Kastrup wrote: LilyPond is a GNU program and so follows the licensing policies of the GNU project. Sure, but I don't see that this prevents you from making a permissive licensing choice for parts of your program where this is appropriate -- I imagine the GNU

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 09:50 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: But now suppose that bobjones.ly defines a number of new functions, \bobFoo, \bobBar, etc., and that you use them on a number of occasions throughout your own .ly file. Is the issue so

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 10:33 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Since I can't share your concerns, I can't give you any advice what to ask the SFLC in order to address them. That's quite up to you. Fair enough. I was concerned that you might actively disapprove of my doing so, in which case I'd have wanted to

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 11:17 PM, Anthonys Lists wrote: So as long as Google stuck to using interfaces that the kernel devs explicitly published to user space, then using those header files EXPLICITLY does NOT create a derivative work, and therefore the GPL can NOT cross that boundary. That's exactly

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 11:28 PM, Anthonys Lists wrote: A derivative work is whatever the LAW says it is (whatever that is :-). NO open source licence defines the term derivative work, although they may give their own interpretation of what they think it is. The actual GPL term is a covered work,

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 11:25 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Uh, so far I have just seen fantasizing about TeX users having similar concerns. I did post a link before: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/69007/the-gpl-and-latex-packages Sure, it's not a huge wellspring of concern, but as you say, that's

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/03/2013 12:01 AM, Anthonys Lists wrote: But as I understand it, the lawsuit as actually sued said apis are copyright and you would have needed a licence to use the apis - to use Oracle's Java. That's exactly in line with what David said. Google were providing a clean-room

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 11:57 PM, Anthonys Lists wrote: On 02/04/2013 22:47, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Indeed, and a consequence of distributing a covered work under GPL-incompatible terms is that you lose the permissions granted under that license. EXCEPT EXCEPT EXCEPT THE LAW SAYS YOU *DON'T

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/02/2013 11:38 PM, Anthonys Lists wrote: On 02/04/2013 22:01, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: (Function names and APIs are generally considered to be uncopyrightable.) However, I think the consensus of opinion about free software licensing would be that, in distributing to you this little

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/03/2013 01:45 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: Is that in fact correct? The quibbles here is what constitutes derivation. If you write a program that calls a library during its function, is that program derived from the library? Or is the library just a resource that the application uses?

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/03/2013 01:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Yes, it is. The terms of use of a proprietary program generally presume a binding contract _restricting_ the scope of rights normally granted with the legitimate purchase of media. The difference is that the proprietary vendor needs to establish

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-04-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/03/2013 01:14 AM, Anthonys Lists wrote: If your work does not include any of their work, then you don't need any permission to not copy their work! :-) But I'm not talking about copying. I'm talking about the right to use. And if you read the GPL, version 2 (I presume 3 has similar

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-03-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/28/2013 08:28 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: My understanding is always been that the GPL applies to the software used to produce a file, not to the file itself. I think (at least in this case) you mean process, not produce. You can draw an analogy to e.g. shell scripts, where the fact that

Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-03-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
Hello all, A question which has come up, and where I'm not sure what the answer or intention is. Lilypond is licensed under the GPL and reading through the license file, I didn't come across any granted exceptions (IIRC the fonts have an exception for embedding them into a document). So, how

Re: Lilypond \include statements and the GPL

2013-03-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/28/2013 06:35 PM, David Kastrup wrote: I don't see that. \include is an instruction, not an actual inclusion. As opposed to dynamic linking, there is no combined entity being formed for the sake of execution where one could possibly claim contributory infringement. The inner workings

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/26/2013 09:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas about possible institutions who could be made to participate? Imperial College, London has a fairly close

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 08:02 PM, Urs Liska wrote: But let me make a further suggestion: As I already mentioned in an earlier thread I'm going to write a paper on plain-text, git-driven work-flows, and I would be pleased if I could use this project as example material for that. The motivation for the

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 07:45 PM, Urs Liska wrote: AFAIK (but I'm not a lawyer either) you can't renew the copyright of the music but only on editions. That's why one sometimes has to pay royalties for really old music. This is UnitedStatesian copyright law, which has historically had some amusing

Re: Ferneyhough-style flared hairpins?

2013-03-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/04/2013 05:29 PM, Trevor Bača wrote: Is anyone else out there using Ferneyhough-style flared hairpins? I'd probably use them if they were available. I'm considering sponsoring the work and I'm curious to know if there would be any other adopters if the feature were implemented.

Re: Ferneyhough-style flared hairpins?

2013-03-04 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/04/2013 05:29 PM, Trevor Bača wrote: I'm considering sponsoring the work and I'm curious to know if there would be any other adopters if the feature were implemented. ... could we make this a 2-in-1 to also cover his brackets-to-show-extent-of-dynamic notation? This actually couples

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 06:22 PM, Urs Liska wrote: OTH we might take this as an opportunity to do something else as a showcase project. I wouldn't suggest Goldberg Variations but rather something complex from the end of the 19th century (i.e. just out of copyright). Maybe something for string quartet too

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 06:27 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Alban Berg 4 Pieces for Clarinet and Piano. Out of copyright in the US (pre-1922 publication) and Europe (more than 70 years since composer's death). On IMSLP here: http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/12907 To me

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 06:30 PM, Urs Liska wrote: I also thought of Berg already. Maybe also his songs? (could prove useful for me when having to play transpositions ...) But the Clarinet Pieces are beautiful too. Good point. Well, tell you what. If I put together a rough version of the 4 Pieces and

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/02/2013 06:43 PM, Jethro Van Thuyne wrote: Renewed copyright 1952 by Helene Berg. How long did/does such a renewal run? Well, this is the discussion on the subject on IMSLP's forums: http://imslpforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=13t=3503 I believe that typical terms of copyright renewal were

dodecaphonic-first accidental style

2013-03-02 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
Hello all, Taking a look at Berg Op. 5 (see Sibelius-related discussion) I realized that it uses a slight variant of the dodecaphonic accidental style: every note has an accidental, but only for its _first_ appearance in the bar. Any advice on how to achieve this automatically? Thanks best

Re: How can I do this ...

2013-03-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/01/2013 06:17 PM, Guy Stalnaker wrote: Is it possible to modify the brace from a GrandStaff or the positioning of the brace for the PianoStaff version so that it is more like the BH engraving? I know the example from the LP documentation is acceptable (the Peter's Edition of the Bach is

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-02-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/28/2013 02:30 AM, Adam Spiers wrote: I don't follow your logic here at all. Being large and complex doesn't rule it out from being a starting point. If it *wasn't* large, there wouldn't be as much to gain from starting with it vs. starting from scratch. You make two rather big

Re: #'stencil vs. #'transparent

2013-02-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/28/2013 02:11 PM, Daniel Rosen wrote: I'm typesetting a piece of vocal music, and I want to have a melisma without a slur being drawn. I tried \override Slur #'stencil = ##f, but when I compiled it, the output appeared as if I had written \override Slur #'transparent = ##t--in other

Re: Advocating non-free softwares

2013-02-27 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/27/2013 11:41 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I am and have been ambivalent about being part of the GNU project. It has come with a lot of harping about how we should say things (like insisting on naming Linux as GNU/Linux), with little in return. At the risk of opening up a can of worms,

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-02-22 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
(Apologies to David, I hit Reply instead of Reply List when first writing this response.) On 02/22/2013 12:10 AM, David Kastrup wrote: If the file format describes exactly how the finished score will appear, what will happen with the spacing when transposing? Presumably it is ingrained into

Re: Hushing up Sibelius news?

2013-02-22 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/22/2013 09:02 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: I think his point was that _no_ file format ever describes exactly how the finished score would appear No? We have PDF. Maybe they have too. :- Write once, read many, edit difficult ;-) ___

Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-19 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/18/2013 03:17 AM, Luca Rossetto Casel wrote: Yes, in most cases brackets are indeed unnecessary. But I know some over-accurate editions that aim to reproduce the original text as faithfully as possible, giving evidence to every critical intervention - for example, the Ricordi critical

Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-17 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/17/2013 01:10 PM, Javier Ruiz-Alma wrote: I found an accidental notation rule in 1803 music introductory textbook by M. Clementi, says accidental was also omitted on the following bar it when happened to be first note played of same pitch as prior bar accidental (explicit example shown

Re: 19th-cent. accidental notation

2013-02-17 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/17/2013 04:48 PM, Luca Rossetto Casel wrote: In present editions, this notation is generally uniformed to the modern one - eventually putting the added alterations in parentheses or brackets. Is this really a case where brackets would be used? The typical reason for inserting a

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 01:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: a) a reliable and scaleable mechanism to make individual problems go away by manual labor. WYSIWYG systems offer that. I think that Frescobaldi tries offering a bit of that as well. The really simple way of putting this: It needs to be as easy as

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 04:17 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Uh, they fired the original developers and their team without much of a migration strategy. It is unlikely that substantial new developments are planned, or this would have been an economically stupid course. I'm not saying it was a smart thing to

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 04:44 PM, Urs Liska wrote: While it may not seem to be intuitive you can actually write extremely robust house style sheets (or rather libraries which I find much more reliable than any preset templates or whatever you could use with WYSIWYG software. With the additional advantage

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 05:32 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Maybe I'll get in touch with you before. I already intended to present the outline of the presentation here and ask for feedback - I think it's an issue that concerns many of us ... (The presentation is due at the end of April, so it will be some time

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