Re: Intervals enharmony question

On 2018-05-04 07:51 AM, Karlin High wrote: On 5/4/2018 8:41 AM, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: Hello Hans, Sorry for not knowing, what does GHB mean in our context? In another Hans Åberg message less than a month ago, it was an abbreviation for Great Highland Bagpipe. I tried Googling it,

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> On 4 May 2018, at 15:41, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: > > Hello Hans, > > Sorry for not knowing, what does GHB mean in our context? The Great Highland bagpipe [1]. It is notationally interesting (LilyPond supports it) in that the tuning note A has drifted upwards

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On 04/05/18 17:14, Paul Scott wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 11:00:59AM +0100, Wols Lists wrote: >> On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >>> Hans Åberg-2 wrote I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. >>>

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On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 11:00:59AM +0100, Wols Lists wrote: > On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > Hans Åberg-2 wrote > >> I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one > >> typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. > > > > Yep, and just to keep up tradition,

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Karlin High wrote >>> The GHB is tuned to an A at around 480 Hz; some confuse it with a Bb. >>> >> > > In another Hans Åberg message less than a month ago, it was an > abbreviation for Great Highland Bagpipe. I suppose that's why it's called High Landpipe. -- Sent from:

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On 2018-05-04 13:51, Karlin High wrote: In another Hans Åberg message less than a month ago, it was an abbreviation for Great Highland Bagpipe. I tried Googling it, but got an acronym collision with Gamma Hydroxybutyrate, a recreational drug. Playing a GHB under the influence of GHB. That

Re: Intervals enharmony question

On 5/4/2018 8:41 AM, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: Hello Hans, Sorry for not knowing, what does GHB mean in our context? JM Le 4 mai 2018 à 14:51, Hans Åberg > a écrit : The GHB is tuned to an A at around 480 Hz; some confuse it with a Bb.

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Hello Hans, Sorry for not knowing, what does GHB mean in our context? JM > Le 4 mai 2018 à 14:51, Hans Åberg a écrit : > >> >> On 4 May 2018, at 12:00, Wols Lists wrote: >> >> On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >>> Hans Åberg-2 wrote

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> On 4 May 2018, at 12:00, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >> Hans Åberg-2 wrote >>> I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one >>> typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. >> >> Yep, and just to keep up

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> On 4 May 2018, at 12:00, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >> Hans Åberg-2 wrote >>> I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one >>> typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. >> >> Yep, and just to keep up

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Am 2018-05-04 um 12:48 schrieb Wols Lists : > (Oh - and something to watch for with *OLD* brass instruments, if they > were band instruments they are typically tuned to something > approximating Vienna pitch - they are noticeably sharp, something like > A=460. Causes fun

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On 04/05/18 11:34, Aaron Hill wrote: > As a piano/keyboards/bass/guitar player here who has only played with an > "orchestra" for high school musicals many moons ago, you have me > wondering now: > > From what I thought happened, the oboist tunes to the piano if one is > used or to a tuner

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On 2018-05-04 10:00, Wols Lists wrote: I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. Yep, and just to keep up tradition, it's the oboe player who operates the digital tuning device. ;D Until you get the player (or novice

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On 30/04/18 22:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > Hans Åberg-2 wrote >> I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one >> typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. > > Yep, and just to keep up tradition, it's the oboe player who operates the > digital tuning device. ;D >

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Hello, A friend of ours hired a pianist and a violin player, both skilled professionals, for his 50th birthday. The pianist took scores from his bag, placed them on the piano, and they played. A the beginning of a new piece, the violin player had the previous one still in mind, and played the

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On 04/05/18 00:48, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > I didn’t get that far into trumpet playing — I switched to trombone as soon > as I could, because it better suited my embouchure — but I got far enough to > realize that I could do a *lot* of "tuning" with those limited valves and > slides. Based on

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Hi Wols, > It's not *possible* to tune a brass instrument to equal temperament - > it has at max 5 tuning slides to tune 12 pitches and > typically about 40 notes! Perhaps you ran (are running) into a semantic conflict? I notice there are many [civil and educated] discussions on trumpet and

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On 30/04/18 20:54, Malte Meyn wrote: > > > Am 30.04.2018 um 15:50 schrieb Hans Åberg: >> But orchestral instruments depart from Pythagorean tuning, not E12, so >> they are not equivalent, differing by a comma of about 20 cents. > > Which orchestral instruments do you refer to? All instruments

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On 30/04/18 20:32, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:11, Wols Lists wrote: >> >> On 30/04/18 14:50, Hans Åberg wrote: >>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: OK, now everything is clear, it’s

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Hello Torsten, Thanks for the clarification, it is very much appreciated. Will triple accidentals be supported as of 2.20? Incidentally, the OP launched a very interesting discussion on the wider subject of notation and modes. A nice day! JM > Le 30 avr. 2018 à 21:39, Torsten Hämmerle

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> Try . Look how Frans > Brüggen is not just working with his fingers but also with his cheeks > (and deduce what he is doing with his breath) and mouth and recorder > angle. Thankyou signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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J Martin Rushton writes: > Have a listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcI8KV4ftCk and then > tell me the recorder isn't a serious instrument. Try . Look how Frans Brüggen is not just working with his fingers but

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On 01/05/18 10:08, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 1 May 2018, at 11:00, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Hans Åberg writes: >> On 1 May 2018, at 10:34, David Kastrup wrote: Paid performers. Recorder performances are a thing in primary school

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> On 1 May 2018, at 11:00, David Kastrup wrote: > > Hans Åberg writes: > >>> On 1 May 2018, at 10:34, David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>> Paid performers. Recorder performances are a thing in primary school >>> contexts already. >> >> The recorders

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Hans Åberg writes: >> On 1 May 2018, at 10:34, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Paid performers. Recorder performances are a thing in primary school >> contexts already. > > The recorders used in schools are an idea from Carl Orff, with the > idea that it is

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> On 1 May 2018, at 10:34, David Kastrup wrote: > > Hans Åberg writes: > >>> On 1 May 2018, at 00:42, J Martin Rushton >> >>> For a lot of earlier music it can be difficult to know if "flauto" is a >>> flauto dolce (sweet flute - recorder) or a flauto

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> On 1 May 2018, at 09:23, Malte Meyn wrote: > > Am 30.04.2018 um 22:11 schrieb Hans Åberg: >>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:47, Malte Meyn wrote: >>> >>> Am 30.04.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Hans Åberg: One has to adapt the pitch on every note played,

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Hans Åberg writes: >> On 1 May 2018, at 00:42, J Martin Rushton > >> For a lot of earlier music it can be difficult to know if "flauto" is a >> flauto dolce (sweet flute - recorder) or a flauto transvero (sp?). More like flauto traverso. The terminal "o" makes obvious

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> On 1 May 2018, at 00:42, J Martin Rushton > wrote: > > On 30/04/18 22:14, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:50, David Kastrup wrote: >>> Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, unlike strings

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> On 1 May 2018, at 06:27, Shane Brandes wrote: > > Then there is always "what is more out of tune than two flutes? One flute" The pitches are spaced quite unevenly if measured electronically, and the scale will stretch moving upwards, so that has to be mastered.

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> On 1 May 2018, at 05:34, Paul Scott wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:27:10PM +0200, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >>> >>> Hans Åberg-2 wrote I play the flute, and I checked with one of

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> On 1 May 2018, at 04:53, Vaughan McAlley wrote: > > On 1 May 2018 at 06:27, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, unlike >> strings then. It is mentioned in Blatter's book on orchestration. >

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Am 30.04.2018 um 22:11 schrieb Hans Åberg: On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:47, Malte Meyn wrote: Am 30.04.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Hans Åberg: One has to adapt the pitch on every note played, and the reference is typically the string section, which in turn is tuned in

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Then there is always "what is more out of tune than two flutes? One flute" Shane B. On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Paul Scott wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:27:10PM +0200, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >> > On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle

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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:27:10PM +0200, Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > > > Hans Åberg-2 wrote > >> I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one of > >> the operas here. > > > > Hi Hans, > > >

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On 1 May 2018 at 06:27, Hans Åberg wrote: > > > Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, > unlike strings then. It is mentioned in Blatter's book on orchestration. > > Flutes can adjust their pitch enough to tune well. I'm mainly a singer, but when

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On 30/04/18 22:14, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:50, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Hans Åberg writes: >> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: Hans Åberg-2 wrote > I play the flute, and

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 23:46, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > Hans Åberg-2 wrote >> I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one >> typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. > > Yep, and just to keep up tradition, it's the oboe player who

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Hans Åberg-2 wrote > I suspect the least pitch-flexible instrument is the oboe, as one > typically uses that for a tuning reference pitch. Yep, and just to keep up tradition, it's the oboe player who operates the digital tuning device. ;D Modern times... Torsten -- Sent from:

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 23:14, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > Hans Åberg-2 wrote >> Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, >> unlike strings then. > > Thank you, that's a good explanation. So it is the incompetent composer one should go

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Torsten Hämmerle writes: > Hans Åberg-2 wrote >> Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, >> unlike strings then. > > Thank you, that's a good explanation. > Comparing the harmonic spectra of flutes and violins or when trying to > capture the

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:50, David Kastrup wrote: > > Hans Åberg writes: > >>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >>> >>> Hans Åberg-2 wrote I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one

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Hans Åberg-2 wrote > Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison, > unlike strings then. Thank you, that's a good explanation. Comparing the harmonic spectra of flutes and violins or when trying to capture the sound characteristics using a synthesizer, this is what usually

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Hans Åberg writes: >> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: >> >> Hans Åberg-2 wrote >>> I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one of >>> the operas here. >> >> Hi Hans, >> >> It's funny that you mention

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > Hans Åberg-2 wrote >> I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one of >> the operas here. > > Hi Hans, > > It's funny that you mention the flute of all instruments. It reminds me of >

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Hans Åberg-2 wrote > I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one of > the operas here. Hi Hans, It's funny that you mention the flute of all instruments. It reminds me of the old joke "How do you get two flute players to play in unison?" - - - "Shoot one!" No offence

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:47, Malte Meyn wrote: > > Am 30.04.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Hans Åberg: >> One has to adapt the pitch on every note played, and the reference is >> typically the string section, which in turn is tuned in Pythagorean, > > Many string players tune

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:54, Malte Meyn wrote: > > Am 30.04.2018 um 15:50 schrieb Hans Åberg: >> But orchestral instruments depart from Pythagorean tuning, not E12, so they >> are not equivalent, differing by a comma of about 20 cents. > > Which orchestral instruments

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:54, Malte Meyn wrote: > > Am 30.04.2018 um 15:50 schrieb Hans Åberg: >> But orchestral instruments depart from Pythagorean tuning, not E12, so they >> are not equivalent, differing by a comma of about 20 cents. > > Which orchestral instruments do

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Am 30.04.2018 um 15:50 schrieb Hans Åberg: But orchestral instruments depart from Pythagorean tuning, not E12, so they are not equivalent, differing by a comma of about 20 cents. Which orchestral instruments do you refer to? All instruments that I know good enough use equal temperament or

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Am 30.04.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Hans Åberg: One has to adapt the pitch on every note played, and the reference is typically the string section, which in turn is tuned in Pythagorean, Many string players tune their perfect fifths a bit small so that they’re near to equal temperament (700 ct)

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Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote > Going a bit further, I bumped into this case. > > Since the note at some interval from another one keeps its pitch name in > its different « variants », how about Db’s seconds? > > diminished second Ebbb ??? > minor secondEbb > major secondEb >

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:11, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 30/04/18 14:50, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: >>> >>> OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. >> >> FYI, I

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 21:11, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 30/04/18 14:50, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: >>> >>> OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. >> >> FYI, I

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Wols Lists writes: > On 30/04/18 14:50, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: >>> >>> OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. >> >> FYI, I recall the Mehegan books on jazz

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On 30/04/18 14:50, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: >> >> OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. > > FYI, I recall the Mehegan books on jazz improvisation applying enharmonic > equivalents

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> On 30 Apr 2018, at 20:15, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: > > Going a bit further, I bumped into this case. > > Since the note at some interval from another one keeps its pitch name in its > different « variants », how about Db’s seconds? > > diminished second Ebbb ???

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Going a bit further, I bumped into this case. Since the note at some interval from another one keeps its pitch name in its different « variants », how about Db’s seconds? diminished second Ebbb ??? minor secondEbb major secondEb augemented second E I’m sure no one ever

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> On 29 Apr 2018, at 22:17, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: > > OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. FYI, I recall the Mehegan books on jazz improvisation applying enharmonic equivalents freely. The Blatter books on instrumentation suggests

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On 30 April 2018 at 03:50, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: > > An exception may be orchestral parts (as mentioned by Lukas). > On the one hand, many (non-professional) players of monophonic instruments > often prefer an easy-to-read line avoiding "unnecessary" double

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Salut Torsten, OK, now everything is clear, it’s precisely on jazz chords I’m working. Thanks! JM > Le 29 avr. 2018 à 19:50, Torsten Hämmerle a écrit : > > Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote >> Do I get it right that this is key-independent too for the diminished >> fifth of

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Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote > Do I get it right that this is key-independent too for the diminished > fifth of E flat? Salut Jacques, Yes, a diminished E flat chord will always be a diminished E flat chord, consisting of the notes E flat + G + B doubleflat. no matter what key you're in. And it's

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Hello Lukas, Thanks for your answer. In fact, it not the interval name, but the note such as B double flat that concerns me currently. Do I get it right that this is key-independent too for the diminished fifth of E flat? JM > Le 29 avr. 2018 à 18:41, Lukas-Fabian Moser a

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Jacques, Say I’m considering chords with an E flat root. Is is always true that: - the diminished fifth is B double flat - the augmented fifth is B natural - the diminished unisson is E double flat - the augmented unisson is E natural or can this depend on

Intervals enharmony question

Hello folks, Say I’m considering chords with an E flat root. Is is always true that: - the diminished fifth is B double flat - the augmented fifth is B natural - the diminished unisson is E double flat - the augmented unisson is E natural or can this depend on