Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Fri 23 Dec 2016 at 11:02:59 (+0100), Gianmaria Lari wrote: > On 23 December 2016 at 10:39, ptoye wrote: > > Not exactly, I think. In a chord \relative controls the first note as typed. Quite right, my mistake, late nights... s/top/first/ [saves me a post] > > [...] I really

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 23 December 2016 at 10:39, ptoye wrote: > [...] I really didn't mean to start a theological discussion about how one > should > type in music, but obviously some people feel much stronger about it than I > do. There are three ways of telling LilyPond what the pitch of a

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 23 December 2016 at 09:59, Shevek wrote: > I compose in \relative mode, and my practice is to use \resetRelativeOctave > at the beginning of every new phrase. It is a lot of characters to type, > but > I've found that creating unnecessary aliases makes code harder

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Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Wed 21 Dec 2016 at 23:17:35 (-0500), Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi David, > > > Do you mean things like > > \relative { } > > ? > > Yes. > > Your example brings up another major limitation (IMO) to \relative mode: It > is essentially impossible to figure out at a quick glance

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi again, >> I find \relative mode quite helpful in orchestral works because it lends >> itself very well to copy-n-paste octave doublings. Trying to do that in >> absolute mode and needing to edit tens of 's and ,s after you copy a >> line that needs to be transposed by an octave is quite

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi, > I find \relative mode quite helpful in orchestral works because it lends > itself very well to copy-n-paste octave doublings. Trying to do that in > absolute mode and needing to edit tens of 's and ,s after you copy a > line that needs to be transposed by an octave is quite painful. \fixed

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 09:30:08PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 21 Dec 2016 at 20:43:20 (-0500), Kieren MacMillan wrote: [...] > > Look: I’m glad you like \relative mode. But after a decade of using > > \relative (and running into many frustrations) followed by nearly a > > decade of using

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi David, > Do you mean things like > \relative { } > ? Yes. Your example brings up another major limitation (IMO) to \relative mode: It is essentially impossible to figure out at a quick glance how the last c relates to the first. Are they the same octave? Is the last c higher

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Wed 21 Dec 2016 at 20:43:20 (-0500), Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi David, > > > I haven't noticed any effect with polyphony: the octavation of the > > next note in the source is always determined by the previous one. > > Cut and paste one section and move it later — it has a better than 50/50

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi David, > I haven't noticed any effect with polyphony: the octavation of the > next note in the source is always determined by the previous one. Cut and paste one section and move it later — it has a better than 50/50 chance of being wrong. Change the order of voices — it has a better than

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Wed 21 Dec 2016 at 14:22:28 (-0800), Nathan Ho wrote: > On 2016-12-21 11:55, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > >Hi David, > > > >>I can't see the point in avoiding any methodology > >>that makes things easier and more reliable. > > > >I agree 100%. Which is exactly why I abandoned \relative and use

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi Nathan, > I also stopped using \relative a few years ago (I think it was in response to > one of your posts here). Aw, shucks… ;) > No regrets here. Whew. > it gets in the way when engraving anything with chords or polyphony. Also, if > you break your music into sections and assign them

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 21 December 2016 at 23:22, Nathan Ho wrote: > [...] > I also stopped using \relative a few years ago (I think it was in response to one of your posts here). No regrets here. > > It's alright for simple monophonic melodies, but it gets in the way when engraving anything

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 2016-12-21 11:55, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi David, I can't see the point in avoiding any methodology that makes things easier and more reliable. I agree 100%. Which is exactly why I abandoned \relative and use only \absolute. ;) I also stopped using \relative a few years ago (I think

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 21 December 2016 at 20:47, David Wright wrote: > > I don't understand "annoying"/"unannoying" mistakes, I'm not an expert user. I have used relative and absolute entry and with relative I makes mistakes more frequently and spend much time fixing it. I personally

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi David, > I can't see the point in avoiding any methodology > that makes things easier and more reliable. I agree 100%. Which is exactly why I abandoned \relative and use only \absolute. ;) YMMV, of course… but as soon as my use of Lilypond advanced beyond simple songs (e.g., I’m now

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On Tue 20 Dec 2016 at 23:49:16 (+0100), Gianmaria Lari wrote: > Ciao Peter, > > I know this is a totally different story but I suggest also to give a try > to avoid the "\relative" and to use absolute octave entry. It takes some > weeks to get used but in my opinion it is more easy to manage code

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi All, On 21 December 2016 at 09:49, Gianmaria Lari wrote: > I suggest also to give a try to avoid the "\relative" and to use absolute > octave entry. > ​+2 :-) I used to use relative and found in large scores that when I went back to correct things large sections

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

Hi all, > On Dec 20, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Gianmaria Lari wrote: > I suggest also to give a try to avoid the "\relative" and to use absolute > octave entry. +1 Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email:

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

> Peter > mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com <lilyp...@ptoye.com> > www.ptoye.com > > - > Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 5:15:36 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *> On 20.12.2016 17:39, Peter T

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 20.12.2016 19:04, Peter Toye wrote: Pity it isn't in the text part of either the learning or notation reference manual. You have to know about it in order to find it. That needs to be changed. :-) Best, Simon

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

- Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 5:15:36 PM, you wrote: > On 20.12.2016 17:39, Peter Toye wrote: >> Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave? I tend to enter >> my music using the \relative notation. I want make sure, especially >> after a complicated set of new v

Re: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

On 20.12.2016 17:39, Peter Toye wrote: Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave? I tend to enter my music using the \relative notation. I want make sure, especially after a complicated set of new voices or a frequently-used music pattern that's been put into a variable

Is there a short way of forcing a particular octave?

I tend to enter my music using the \relative notation. I want make sure, especially after a complicated set of new voices or a frequently-used music pattern that's been put into a variable, that the next note will be in the correct octave. I know that I can do an \octaveCheck but this throws up