Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-04 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op vrijdag 03 april 2009, schreef David Stocker: It would be great if there was a shorthand for this in LilyPond code for situations (like in many forms of popular music) an accompaniment pattern consists of many repeated chords--perhaps something like r--simply instructing LilyPond to

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 21:53 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Andrew Hawryluk: Hi Andrew, The full report is at http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html, but here's my conclusion: At least for me, MIDI entry is much faster than typing the pitches and durations myself. That's a

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Andrew Hawryluk ahawry...@gmail.com writes: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has been discussed here several times. It may turn readers away

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/3 Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl: Andrew Hawryluk ahawry...@gmail.com writes: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has been

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 18:00 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... Indeed, thanks for all the praise! For sure its more fun to read than eg http://lwn.net/Articles/326698/ Do we now have a team that takes

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Johan Vromans wrote: Andrew Hawryluk ahawry...@gmail.com writes: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make the image of the LilyPond Händel score? It suffers from very thick vertical lines, similar to the Evince/PDF bug that has been discussed here several

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/3 Jan Nieuwenhuizen janneke-l...@xs4all.nl: Op donderdag 02-04-2009 om 18:00 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... Indeed, thanks for all the praise!  For sure its more fun to read than eg

RE: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Nick Payne
-Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Jan Nieuwenhuizen Sent: Friday, 3 April 2009 19:59 To: Andrew Hawryluk Cc: Laura Conrad; lilypond-user@gnu.org; Nicolas

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Nick Payne wrote: ... That's a real interesting report!. You note that entering chords in lilypond is real slow as compared to using MIDI entry. While that's no surprise, I wonder if there's anything that we can or should do about it. Typing is just real awkward... Try setting guitar

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op vrijdag 03-04-2009 om 13:21 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Valentin Villenave: Count me in! Yay, independent informed comments! /me hits ^R :-) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread David Stocker
Please see this picture of what it looks like when I'm hand-writing music with repeated chords. http://notesettersinc.com/Hal_Leonard_Project-1.html Notice that I don't write out each repeated chord in the manuscript. It's understood by the editors and engravers that the | means simply print

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/3 Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com: What's nice about Lilypond from my composer's point of view is that it's gotten me back to writing music with pencil and paper instead of doing it in Finale. I've realized for a while that in some pieces Finale was making me lazy as a composer

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-03 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
Thanks for catching this! Both have been fixed. Andrew On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/3 Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl: Andrew Hawryluk ahawry...@gmail.com writes: http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/finale-lilypond-4.html How did you make

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread David Stocker
I offer LilyPond engraving alongside output from Finale and Sibelius. None of my corporate clients ask for LilyPond, but I recommend it to them for classical engraving (of which I do very little). I have a handful of folks who take output from LilyPond. David Stocker http://notesettersinc.com

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, In my experience, LilyPond *is* capable of producing scores of the highest caliber. However, I often spend so much time tweaking the score to get it to look perfect that it really becomes a labor of love. I used Finale for over a decade, eventually becoming the computer music lab

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/2 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: I used Finale for over a decade, eventually becoming the computer music lab tutor/assistant at Shepherd School of Music (while doing my Master of Music there) -- I was as nimble with Finale as anyone I knew (know). I estimate that, for

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, In my experience, LilyPond *is* capable of producing scores of the highest caliber.  However, I often spend so much time tweaking the score to get it to look perfect that it really becomes a labor of

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Han-Wen, you can have the best of both worlds if you enter using finale and then musicxml2ly to go to .ly and do the typesetting. Now that I think about it, I was originally just talking about slamming in the pitches/durations... Once I factor in the slurs, articulations, dynamics, text,

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Snyder
Valentin Villenave wrote: To me, note entry is much, much, much faster with LilyPond than with Fin/Sib. (even using a MIDI keyboard -- which, by the way, is one of the less enjoyable experiences I know of). I concur here. I am much faster with Lily than I suspect I ever could be with a

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Neil Thornock
I will agree with many of the preceding posts that entry of notes, slurs, etc, is faster for me in Lily than in Finale. However, with every new piece I have to devise a new hack to accomplish a certain advanced thing - even as simple a thing as a slanted hairpin or a cross-staff slur, which I

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website... Do we now have a team that takes care of this? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Neil Thornock neilthorn...@gmail.com wrote: The way that music is entered for LilyPond causes me to think in a more musical way - there have

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/4/2 Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com: I think there are a couple of memorable quotes here for the website...  Do we now have a team that takes care of this? I am tempted to translate the whole thread into Spanish for our list, or large chunks at least. Wise, serious, experienced

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Grammostola Rosea
David Stocker wrote: I offer LilyPond engraving alongside output from Finale and Sibelius. None of my corporate clients ask for LilyPond, but I recommend it to them for classical engraving (of which I do very little). I have a handful of folks who take output from LilyPond. David Stocker

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread lasconic
For sure, a musical jazz font will be very useful! There a couple of threads in the mailing list about this. rosea wrote: Nice to read this thread. I'm wondering what about more modern or 'light' music, like POP and Jazz? How does it compare in this area? And what should be and can be

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius (was Review of Valentin's Opera)

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Chris Snyder csny...@adoromusicpub.com wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote: To me, note entry is much, much, much faster with LilyPond than with Fin/Sib. (even using a MIDI keyboard -- which, by the way, is one of the less enjoyable experiences I know of). I