Re: horizontal lyric spacing?

Hi, Molly! On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:32 PM Molly Preston wrote: > What is the best way to make more room horizontally for lyrics? I have two > syllable words that look like they are one syllable words (ie no hyphen > visible) , and I am not sure the best way to space them or if there is some >

Re: horizontal lyric spacing?

On 2021-06-20 6:30 pm, Molly Preston wrote: What is the best way to make more room horizontally for lyrics? I have two syllable words that look like they are one syllable words (ie no hyphen visible) , and I am not sure the best way to space them or if there is some special property I don't

horizontal lyric spacing?

What is the best way to make more room horizontally for lyrics? I have two syllable words that look like they are one syllable words (ie no hyphen visible) , and I am not sure the best way to space them or if there is some special property I don't understand? -Molly

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

Hi, On 07.12.18 19:27, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Alex, David's and Mike's "magnetic snapping lyrics"? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html Yes — I have an old copy in my "Workarounds" include folder. But I ran into a lot of problems with it (maybe

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

On 12/7/18, 12:10 PM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: Hi Carl, > I've just been doing some choral engraving where lyric hyphens are eliminated where there is no space. And I haven't used any special tools. But if you look at "people" (for example), you’ll see there’s a space

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

Hi Carl, > I've just been doing some choral engraving where lyric hyphens are eliminated > where there is no space. And I haven't used any special tools. But if you look at "people" (for example), you’ll see there’s a space (but no hyphen) there. I’m trying to generate "perfect" words.

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

On 12/7/18, 11:19 AM, "Alexander Kobel" wrote: Hi Kieren, without even looking at your example, to be honest, but a shot in the dark: Fo you still remember David's and Mike's "magnetic snapping lyrics"?

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

Hi Alex, > David's and Mike's "magnetic snapping lyrics"? > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html Yes — I have an old copy in my "Workarounds" include folder. But I ran into a lot of problems with it (maybe related to what Urs found?) and so had temporarily

Re: [lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

Hi Kieren, without even looking at your example, to be honest, but a shot in the dark: Fo you still remember David's and Mike's "magnetic snapping lyrics"? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html This snippet eventually went into OpenLilyLib, and was apparently

[lyric sheet stylesheet] fixing lyric spacing

Hi all, In the snippet below, I’m trying to develop some custom contexts so that people can write out lyrics with chords (but no music). Right now, I’m trying to fix two things: 1. I want to eliminate all LyricHyphens entirely, and present words as complete words (rather than syllables). This

Re: naïve note-lyric spacing resolution

Hi Kieren, I use some helper functions to enter edition-mods of the same kind. Again this might not be self-explaining ... but perhaps you get the idea. And of course: maybe it is more sufficient to use the markup-hammer and separate the lyrics from the music with a mace! Jan-Peter Am

Re: naïve note-lyric spacing resolution

On 15.06.2017 17:38, Kieren MacMillan wrote: There are obviously improvements that could still be made, but this is closer to what I want in my score than the "BEFORE" version. Hi Kieren, that’s quite nice and I definitely agree lyrics spacing should go in that direction. I once imagined

naïve note-lyric spacing resolution

Hello again, Here's another example, solved a different way. BEFORE. Even with lyrics horizontally compressed to help, there are visible note-spacing distortions: AFTER. I \omit-ted the lyrics (so that note-spacing reverted to 100% 'neutral' spacing), then added the text back in (without

naïve note-lyric spacing resolution

Hi all, Some time ago, there was a brief discussion about how great it would be if Lilypond had a springs-and-rods type mechanism for lyrics and notes which encouraged a more even note spacing in spite of the differences in the width of the associated lyrics. Since it will likely be a long

Re: Lyric spacing

> The likely answer is that I'm doing this all wrong, but I'll ask > and hopefully find a solution that doesn't involve a complete > re-structure of my source files. > > I've read the following several times an haven't found > anything relevant > >

Re: Lyric spacing

On 23 May 2017 at 17:27, Don Gingrich wrote: > > The likely answer is that I'm doing this all wrong, but I'll ask > and hopefully find a solution that doesn't involve a complete > re-structure of my source files. > > I've read the following several times an haven't

Lyric spacing

The likely answer is that I'm doing this all wrong, but I'll ask and hopefully find a solution that doesn't involve a complete re-structure of my source files. I've read the following several times an haven't found anything relevant

Re: Lyric Spacing With Slurs - Help Requested

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Lyric Spacing With Slurs - Help Requested

Dear Lilypond Community, I’m highly unsatisfied with the readability of my melismatic notes in modern notation. The spacing seems to be off, with the slur placing the right-most note almost as if it were a part of the next lyric’s note. I’ve searched in vain (quite some time!) for a way to

Re: Lyric Spacing With Slurs - Help Requested

Hello, I’m highly unsatisfied with the readability of my melismatic notes in modern notation. The spacing seems to be off, with the slur placing the right-most note almost as if it were a part of the next lyric’s note. I’ve searched in vain (quite some time!) for a way to adjust the

can lyric spacing be overridden by note spacing?

Hello all! Just wondering if there's a way to tell Lilypond (2.12 or later) to set lyrics with natural *note* spacing, as opposed to natural *lyric* spacing... Here's a snippet showing what I'm hoping to achieve automagically: \version 2.13 melody = \relative { c8 d e f g4. f8 | e1

Re: can lyric spacing be overridden by note spacing?

Lilypond (2.12 or later) to set lyrics with natural *note* spacing, as opposed to natural *lyric* spacing... Here's a snippet showing what I'm hoping to achieve automagically: \version 2.13 melody = \relative { c8 d e f g4. f8 | e1 } words = \lyricmode { On Thanks -- giv -- ing screeched we

Re: can lyric spacing be overridden by note spacing?

Hi Mats, The more philosophical question is what you mean by natural note spacing since you still want the spacing to be wide enough to avoid collisions between the syllables. In the (first measure of the) example I gave, I kind of did the following: 1. Divide the span into spacable

Re: can lyric spacing be overridden by note spacing?

Hi Mats, In the (first measure of the) example I gave, I kind of did the following: 1. Divide the span into spacable sections -- here, two half-notes. 2. Determine the width of each spaceable section by the total natural width of the lyrics within the section. 3. Evenly spread the notes

Re: Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

. I am contemplating a change to Lilypond, but before I invest large amounts of time learning it, I was just hoping that a few experts who have used the program for a while can tell me if it is possible to have absolute control over lyric spacing? With some of the hymns I worked on, an attempt

Re: Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

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Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

the program for a while can tell me if it is possible to have absolute control over lyric spacing? With some of the hymns I worked on, an attempt was made to make every phrase fit into one line of music, so as to keep the hymn on one page. This involved really tight spacing control, especially when four

Re: Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

this change, I was using Sibelius quite a bit for hymnbook work. I am contemplating a change to Lilypond, but before I invest large amounts of time learning it, I was just hoping that a few experts who have used the program for a while can tell me if it is possible to have absolute control over lyric

Re: Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

large amounts of time learning it, I was just hoping that a few experts who have used the program for a while can tell me if it is possible to have absolute control over lyric spacing? With some of the hymns I worked on, an attempt was made to make every phrase fit into one line of music, so

Re: Need information about Lyric spacing in Lilypond

fzimmerman wrote: Dave, Thanks for the quick reply. I have two other computers in the house that have Windows on them (I run a home-based computer support business), so I can use Sibelius on them if I have to...but I would rather switch to Lilypond. A very wise choice indeed. The place to

Change vertical Lyric spacing for some words

Hi all, is it possible to change the minimum-Y-extent on-the-fly only for some lines or even words? Example, which doesn't work: test = \lyricmode { blabla \override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-3.75 . 2.0) blabla blabla } Regards, Michael

Re: Horizontal (I mean vertical) Lyric spacing in 2.11

On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:44:46AM +1000, Joe Neeman wrote: OK, I will set VerticalAlignment #'max-stretch = 0 by default. This has the disadvantage that it will sometimes put lots of whitespace between systems, but that was the default in 2.10 anyway. Thank you. I take it that's the same

Re: Horizontal Lyric spacing in 2.11

Am Donnerstag, 1. November 2007 schrieb Joe Neeman: OK, I will set VerticalAlignment #'max-stretch = 0 by default. Great! This has the disadvantage that it will sometimes put lots of whitespace between systems, but that was the default in 2.10 anyway. If you look at the attached file

Re: Horizontal (I mean vertical) Lyric spacing in 2.11

Le 2 nov. 07 à 18:09, Monk Panteleimon a écrit : On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:44:46AM +1000, Joe Neeman wrote: OK, I will set VerticalAlignment #'max-stretch = 0 by default. This has the disadvantage that it will sometimes put lots of whitespace between systems, but that was the default

Horizontal Lyric spacing in 2.11

Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2007 schrieb Till Rettig: I actually LIKE the 2.11 system! I have no problem with it insofar as it redistributes the systems over a different number of pages and solves some problems with the header. But it doesn't really take lyrics into account (yet). And

Re: Horizontal Lyric spacing in 2.11

Monk Panteleimon frpanteleimon at holycrosskliros.org writes: between the two staves. Now in 2.11, the lyrics seem to be glued to the SA staff (when using ragged-bottom=##f and ragged-last-bottom=##f), so they are quite far away from the TB, which make the scores absolutely unusable for

Re: Horizontal Lyric spacing in 2.11

Le 1 nov. 07 à 15:47, Monk Panteleimon a écrit : And Reinhold Kainhofer (observantly) says: I just tried one of my choir scores (ChoirStaff with two stanzas written between the two staves for SA and TB) with the current git version. The lyrics are tied to the S voice, but in 2.10.x, the

Re: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

Is there any possibility to make the spacing algorithm behave differently for Lyrics contexts that are included in a ChoirStaff compared to those that are not? That's the only way I could think of to deduce from the information available in the .ly file if the lyrics should be centered between

RE: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

lyric spacing in a ChoirStaff. Lyrics should be equidistant from higher and lower staves, right? I'm not sure -- I wrote the code but I don't usually use lyrics. It was suggested to me (I can't find the email) that lyrics should stay close to the staff to which they are attached. So

Re: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

Joe Neeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/30/07, Monk Panteleimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that 2.11 is trying to keep single staves from occupying their own (last) page. That's a good idea too but, at least in my case, it seems to be doing so at the expense of good lyric

Re: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

Arvid Grøtting wrote: I do use lyrics, and the settings to use depends on the usage. There really isn't a way that I can think of for Lilypond to automatically set the stretching properties of a Lyrics context. (If there was a way to specify that a Lyrics context should be aligned to

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it) but the general spacing of the systems doesn't seem improved when you look at the whole thing, lyrics included. I would end up overriding the pageBreak, or I I would try to add space around the header somehow to push the system to the next page. In the status-quo lilypond horizontal lyric-spacing (which

Re: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:17:13AM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Joe Neeman wrote 30 October 2007 01:26 If someone can suggest a better default algorithm for the placement of lyrics in stretched systems, I'd be happy to hear it (although probably not until 2.13). The idea behind

Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

It appears that 2.11 is trying to keep single staves from occupying their own (last) page. That's a good idea too but, at least in my case, it seems to be doing so at the expense of good lyric spacing in a ChoirStaff. Lyrics should be equidistant from higher and lower staves, right? Instead

Re: Better vertical spacing in 2.11 adversely affects lyric spacing

On 10/30/07, Monk Panteleimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that 2.11 is trying to keep single staves from occupying their own (last) page. That's a good idea too but, at least in my case, it seems to be doing so at the expense of good lyric spacing in a ChoirStaff. Lyrics should

Re: Vertical Lyric Spacing Issue

Sorry, in my last post both of those links were the same. This is how it is now: http://www.nabble.com/file/5891/ComeThouFountOfEveryBlessing.pdf The other one was the way it used to be. Mark wrote: In LilyPond 2.9.10, vertical spacing with lyrics worked perfectly for me. I'm not sure which

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

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Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

I suppose you need the |minimum-distance property. Bert |Geoff Horton wrote: On 3/16/06, Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Try to use LyricSpace Bert| wordsOne = \lyricmode { \override LyricSpace #'padding = #4 Long long longer longer longest longest longest longest

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

Yes, look at the example called lyric-hyphen-retain.ly in the Regression tests document. /Mats Bertalan Fodor wrote: I suppose you need the |minimum-distance property. Bert |Geoff Horton wrote: On 3/16/06, Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Try to use LyricSpace Bert|

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

On 3/16/06, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, look at the example called lyric-hyphen-retain.ly in the Regression tests document. Thank you! This does work: \layout { \context { \Lyrics \override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #0.6 } } Might I suggest using

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

The default value is 0.3, see the link to LyricSpace at the bottom of the section on Entering Lyrics. This is correct, but is it possible to revise the program reference to make it clear that this property now affects lyric spacing (Minimum distance between rest and notes or beam doesn't say

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

in the manual. If the default minimum lyric spacing doesn't get increased, then I would think that the LyricSpace solution should at all events be included in the next manual. Geoff Horton's page for choral hymnody lilypond tricks is also very thoughtful and will be helpful to many. Fr. P

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

Quoting Geoff Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I've been working on converting files to 2.7.38 for the last few days and I'm in full agreement with Fr. P on this. The lyric spacing in 2.7.38 is very, very bad (see the attached image, generated from the attached

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

This works fine for me: \version 2.7.36 soprano = \relative c'' { \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #5 c4 c c c | c c c c | c c c c | } The point is that this is a score-wide tweak, affecting everything and not just the lyrics. The further point is that an adjustment like this

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

The default value is 0.3, see the link to LyricSpace at the bottom of the section on Entering Lyrics. I'm surprised a 0.3 spacing isn't more visible, but I'll shut up (at least on this point) and go away (at least on this point). Thanks again for helping me through this. Geoff

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I've been working on converting files to 2.7.38 for the last few days and I'm in full agreement with Fr. P on this. The lyric spacing in 2.7.38 is very, very bad (see the attached image, generated from the attached file--there's no way to tell from the text

Re: shortest-duration-space, Re: lyric spacing

Popular question this morning! Please read the section on Spacing Lyrics in the manual for LilyPond version 2.7. /Mats Quoting David Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all Does anyone have an example of how to use shortest-duration-space to increase the horizontal spacing of notes? (This is in

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

PROTECTED] To: Father Panteleimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual PS. Could I simply replace \override Score.SeparationItem with \override Lyric.SeparationItem (or something

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

Geoff said: You're saying you didn't see any effect even with #10? Because I got a huge, huge difference in my test file with that. I'm also using 2.6.4, so maybe this is something that's changed in the update. (I'm not going to break a working system just to experiment.) Fr. P says: Aha. It

lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

had already read the section on Lyric Spacing, but it does not do what I'm looking for. It adjusts *note* spacing to solve a lyric problem. That doesn't work for me. If the words were too close only when they were eight letters long (like in the example, which is rare) adding some padding

Re: lyric spacing : why not follow instructions in manual

PS. Could I simply replace \override Score.SeparationItem with \override Lyric.SeparationItem (or something) and put it with the lyrics? You can add \context { \Lyrics \override SeparationItem #'padding = #10 } to your layout block, and it will affect the output.

lyric spacing

How can I adjust the minimum space allowed between individual words in lyrics? They seem too close even when the words arent particularly long. I dont want to adjust the spacing of the notes per se, just to add a tiny bit of space between words, which space wont go away regardless of how