Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-06-01 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 31 May 2011 20:36, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Yes! For the record, in Lilypond there is an easier way (IMO) to have the same outpu: { \time 3/4 \times 3/2 { c2*1/2 c } } Thank you, everyone! I'll keep proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | That's what

Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Xavier Scheuer
Hi, I have a question not about LilyPond itself but about notational conventions (rules). Maybe you know better or I know some have great references such as Ted Ross or Gardner Read. In 3/4 times, what would be the recommended notation of the following rhythm? \time 3/4 % proposal 1:

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On May 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: Hi, I have a question not about LilyPond itself but about notational conventions (rules). Maybe you know better or I know some have great references such as Ted Ross or Gardner Read. In 3/4 times, what would be the recommended notation

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Éditions IN NOMINE
Ho, I won't troll about conventions, I promise... I think you could see on IMSLP to see ancient engravings (19th century, Breitkopf, Pleyel, ...) to see that there are a lot of different way to do it, and especially to see which one is the best for you. Generally speaking, it depends on what

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:22:16AM +0100, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section of hemiolas. I'd be sorely tempted to change to \time

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread bruys .
I would have to agree with the other correspondents here, that there is no one answer. Conventionally, your 4th example is likely to be used, as it keeps the 3 beats in the measure clear. Generally, dotted notes don't start on the weak part of a beat and extend into the next beat. However, if

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:22:16AM +0100, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: \time 3/4 % proposal 1: dotted notes c4. c4. | I would never do this unless there was a longer section of

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, The whole point of hemiolas is to fit with the timing. Yes. Changing the meter ruins the pun. Only if a hemiola feel is what you want. ;) it seems like a crutch for people uncapable of dealing with the duality of inner and outer rhythmic structure of a syncopated phrase. As

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, The whole point of hemiolas is to fit with the timing. Yes. Changing the meter ruins the pun. Only if a hemiola feel is what you want. ;) it seems like a crutch for people uncapable of dealing with the duality of inner

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, Which is exactly the opposite approach in that it banishes all but one aspect of the music. Yes — I was only comparing the extremity of your approach with the extremity of his. It would appear to me that if one wants to have a flow of accents unrelated to some no longer

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, Like with poetry, if you have to use means of forcing the meter to the performer, and if the performer has to take explicit means to force the meter to the listeners, one might suspect that the content to be conveyed might

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, In the notation? Hardly. If you have stuff from a reasonably good poet, you can usually word-wrap it without noticeable structural damage. I think most poets would disagree. In fact, you might seriously improve the auditory delivery of bad poetry performers by doing so because

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi David, In the notation? Hardly. If you have stuff from a reasonably good poet, you can usually word-wrap it without noticeable structural damage. I think most poets would disagree. Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day? Thou art

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day? Thou art more lovely and more temperate: rough winds do shake the darling buds of May and Summer's lease hath all too short a date. Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines and often is his gold complexion dimm'd; and every fair from fair sometime

RE: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Richard Sabey
Kieren MacMillan wrote So count me as another vote for there is no single correct answer. I echo those words, and I offer another suggestion: { \time 3/4 \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-number::non-default-tuplet-denominator-text 2) \times 3/4 { c2 c } \revert

Re: Notation convention: dotted notes, duplet or else?

2011-05-31 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Richard, I echo those words, and I offer another suggestion: { \time 3/4 \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-number::non-default-tuplet-denominator-text 2) \times 3/4 { c2 c } \revert TupletNumber #'text } Using minims avoids a disadvantage of two crotchets,