Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-03 Thread David Kastrup
Curt McDowell writes: > On 3/31/2020 11:51 PM, Gianmaria Lari wrote: >> Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like >> these? >> >> https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI >> https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk >> > There was an article in USA Today >

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-03 Thread Curt McDowell
On 3/31/2020 11:51 PM, Gianmaria Lari wrote: Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk There was an article in USA Today

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-02 Thread Francisco Vila
El 1/4/20 a las 8:51, Gianmaria Lari escribió: Off topic but very interesting :) Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk If I had to do this, no doubt I'd use the MLT Framework, with no GUI,

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-02 Thread Gianmaria Lari
> > Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? > > https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI > https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk > > [...] > > One possibility might be having one instrument play along with the > > conductor video, then have the next musician play along that video >

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2020, 11:33 +0200 schrieb Christian Masser: >> Hi! >> I think whether it's easier with only click or with click+MIDI purely >> depends on the player's own stability in terms of intonation and >> rhythm. (And in terms of MIDI accompaniment you have to

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Michael Käppler
Am 01.04.2020 um 14:33 schrieb Urs Liska: I'd be very interested to hear more about your Jitsi project by the way! github? That would be extremely interesting for us too because our work will very much rely on a jitsi instance (which we fortunately had running for some time already). This is

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Kevin Cole
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM holl...@hollandhopson.com < holl...@hollandhopson.com> wrote: I second Jacktrip. I’ve also had success with JamKazam: > https://www.jamkazam.com/ which is easier to setup. Using ethernet cables > instead of wifi helps with latency and audio quality. > Alas, no

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Kevin Cole
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:16 AM Dr Nicholas Bailey < nicholas.bai...@glasgow.ac.uk> wrote: > On Saturday, 28 March 2020 11:00:56 BST Peter Gentry wrote: > > I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation > does > > anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue - I

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Urs Liska
Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2020, 13:27 +0100 schrieb Dr Nicholas Bailey: > Off topic, so I've not bothered the list with it. But you might be > interested... > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/ > 200806144_Perception_of_onset_asynchronies_Acoustic_Piano_versus_Sync >

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Dr Nicholas Bailey
Off topic, so I've not bothered the list with it. But you might be interested... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/ 200806144_Perception_of_onset_asynchronies_Acoustic_Piano_versus_Synchronized_complex_versus_pure_tones

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Christian Masser
Yep, I fully second that. It's by definition not "playing" together, mostly because of the total lack of spontaneity. But on the other hand, with a few - or to be more honest: a hell of - adjustments to the MIDI tempos in advance, you can in fact account for a great deal in terms of at least

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Andrew Bernard
This is all very good but ensembles have been performing double choir and organ in three widely spaced spots in Venice for centuries. Without click tracks in 1600. I am not convinced that there is a human clock running at a specific rate. Where is the evidence for that, I ask, purely out of

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Urs Liska
Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2020, 11:33 +0200 schrieb Christian Masser: > Hi! > I think whether it's easier with only click or with click+MIDI purely > depends on the player's own stability in terms of intonation and > rhythm. (And in terms of MIDI accompaniment you have to pay special > attention to

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Christian Masser
Hi! I think whether it's easier with only click or with click+MIDI purely depends on the player's own stability in terms of intonation and rhythm. (And in terms of MIDI accompaniment you have to pay special attention to the tuning of the MIDI instrument.) Having done a few of this recordings

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Mittwoch, 01. April 2020 11:12 CEST, Gianmaria Lari schrieb: > Could be a "click track" a "neutral" recording maybe a midi file temporized > according a conductor? So that each player can play "with" the music? A click track is a recording (or an electronically produced sound) of

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Gianmaria Lari
Ciao Urs! On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 09:05, Urs Liska wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2020, 08:51 +0200 schrieb Gianmaria Lari: > > Off topic but very interesting :) > > Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? > > https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI >

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 1 Apr 2020, at 08:51, Gianmaria Lari wrote: > > Off topic but very interesting :) > > Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? > > https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI > https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk At least in the first video, only one of the musicians have

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 28 Mar 2020, at 12:00, Peter Gentry > wrote: > > I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation does > anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue – I wonder could this > be reduced by say hosting a Zoom meeting on a private router – maybe only one >

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Urs Liska
Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2020, 08:51 +0200 schrieb Gianmaria Lari: > Off topic but very interesting :) > Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like > these? > > https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI > > https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk I think the Rotterdam Philharmonic information

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-04-01 Thread Gianmaria Lari
Off topic but very interesting :) Does anyone have any idea how these people is able to do things like these? https://youtu.be/Sj4pE_bgRQI https://youtu.be/3eXT60rbBVk The only information I found is this:

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-31 Thread Wols Lists
On 30/03/20 10:15, Dr Nicholas Bailey wrote: > I don't trust Zoom anyway. Why has it got more than 2 open file > descriptors? What's it doing with my files?? > > $ lsof | grep -i zoom | wc -l > 20811 I can't find what I was looking for, but this was mentioned recently on LWN. Apparently

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-30 Thread Karlin High
This question made me think of the "Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir" productions. Apparently one of those was done live via Skype. The others had all the singers upload their own recordings, which were then combined into the video production. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-30 Thread Dr Nicholas Bailey
On Saturday, 28 March 2020 11:00:56 BST Peter Gentry wrote: > I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation does > anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue - I wonder could > this be reduced by say hosting a Zoom meeting on a private router - maybe > only one

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-30 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:00:56AM -, Peter Gentry wrote: > I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation does > anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue - I wonder could > this be reduced by say hosting a Zoom meeting on a private router - maybe > only

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-29 Thread Graham King
For those not deterred by network latency, Making Music has put up a page of suggestions[1]. (Making Music is a UK-based organisation that provides information, advice, advocacy and various other services for amateur music groups) [1]

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am Sonntag, den 29.03.2020, 11:34 +0100 schrieb Peter Gentry: > Thanks for the responses. My current conclusion is that there are > inherent technical issues that are insurmountable. If there was a > good solution it would be visible on the web. > > My way forward is to record and distribute

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-29 Thread Peter Gentry
Thanks for the responses. My current conclusion is that there are inherent technical issues that are insurmountable. If there was a good solution it would be visible on the web. My way forward is to record and distribute various pieces using midi or YouTube downloads (if available) so that

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread holl...@hollandhopson.com
I second Jacktrip. I’ve also had success with JamKazam: https://www.jamkazam.com/ which is easier to setup. Using ethernet cables instead of wifi helps with latency and audio quality. I recommend a Zoom meeting or similar to help everyone work out settings, audio inputs and outputs, etc.

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread Adam Good
My friend in California and I (in Brooklyn, NY) had some pretty decent luck with Jactrip: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/jacktrip/ Not the easiest to get set up and we need to try a few more times to troubleshoot but, give it a try and please report back! best, Adam On Sat, Mar 28, 2020

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread antlists
On 28/03/2020 18:55, Ralf Mattes wrote: To the OP: there is an immanent latency in all network connections - packets need to pass through switches and routers, and let's not forget the speed of electrical signals. While one can get pretty low latency on local networks (Dante et al.) trying

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Samstag, 28. März 2020 19:52 CET, Michael Gerdau schrieb: > Did they play live? Looks (and sounds) like the all play to the same clicktrack Cheers, RalfD > And if so, what software/setup had been used? > It doesn’t say so in the comments. > > Kind regards, > Michael > -- Ralf

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Samstag, 28. März 2020 19:37 CET, antlists schrieb: > On 28/03/2020 11:00, Peter Gentry wrote: > > I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation > > does anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue – I wonder > > could this be reduced by say hosting a

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread Michael Gerdau
Did they play live? And if so, what software/setup had been used? It doesn’t say so in the comments. Kind regards, Michael

Re: Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread antlists
On 28/03/2020 11:00, Peter Gentry wrote: I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation does anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue – I wonder could this be reduced by say hosting a Zoom meeting on a private router – maybe only one video for a conductor.

Remote Ensemble Playing

2020-03-28 Thread Peter Gentry
I appreciate this is off topic but in these times of social isolation does anyone have any tips. Clearly latency is the main issue - I wonder could this be reduced by say hosting a Zoom meeting on a private router - maybe only one video for a conductor. Experience suggests that a latency of 25ms