Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

"Fr. Samuel Springuel" writes: >> On 20 May, 2020, at 10:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> myNames = \language-pitch-names.english >> myNames.do = c >> myNames.re = d >> myNames.mi = e >> myNames.fa = f >> myNames.sol = g >> myNames.la = a >> myNames.ta = bes >> myNames.ti = b >>

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> On 20 May, 2020, at 10:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > myNames = \language-pitch-names.english > myNames.do = c > myNames.re = d > myNames.mi = e > myNames.fa = f > myNames.sol = g > myNames.la = a > myNames.ta = bes > myNames.ti = b > language-pitch-names.solfegenglish = \myNames >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

"Fr. Samuel Springuel" writes: >> On 20 May, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Paul McKay wrote: >> >> Todays thoughts are: when you specify \language, then part of what >> you are doing is setting up the parser to understand which character >> sequence should indicate an f-sharp. I would like to be able to

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> On 20 May, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Paul McKay wrote: > > Todays thoughts are: when you specify \language, then part of what you are > doing is setting up the parser to understand which character sequence should > indicate an f-sharp. I would like to be able to temporarily reconfigure this > so

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi guys Many thanks for taking such an interest in this. I have been thinking. I can see that using the key signature to automatically donate sharps and flats is going to be a lot of work and cause problems. Todays thoughts are: when you specify \language, then part of what you are doing is

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

;> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:22:15 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent > >> Hi David, > >> > >> > But minor-mode music is often a conglomeration of the "forms" of the > >> > minor scale which makes t

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Carl Sorensen writes: >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Kieren MacMillan >> To: David Nalesnik >> Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:22:15 -0400 >> Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Kieren MacMillan > To: David Nalesnik > Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:22:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent > Hi David, > > > But minor-mod

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 19/05/2020 16:04, David Kastrup wrote: All because people think "it's not difficult to figure out how to make it work" when actually it is once you aim for more than a "mostly working" determination and keep shuffling around just which 10% you are willing to let fall apart. Too many people

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> But minor-mode music is often a conglomeration of the "forms" of the >> minor scale which makes them of limited separate utility. Nothing is >> in "harmonic minor." Notating something in minor by J. S. Bach could >> be terrifying. > > Oh, I totally

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Kieren, On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 9:22 AM Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > Hi David, > > > But minor-mode music is often a conglomeration of the "forms" of the > > minor scale which makes them of limited separate utility. Nothing is > > in "harmonic minor." Notating something in minor by J. S. Bach

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi David, > But minor-mode music is often a conglomeration of the "forms" of the > minor scale which makes them of limited separate utility. Nothing is > in "harmonic minor." Notating something in minor by J. S. Bach could > be terrifying. Oh, I totally agree with "terrifying" (and, in my

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:20 PM Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > Hi Wol, > > > how is lilypond supposed to know whether the g and f are supposed to be > > sharpened? :-) > > \keyed \a \harmonicminor { a g g+ a } > > Is it really that difficult to figure out a rational input syntax? > I could come up

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi Wol, > how is lilypond supposed to know whether the g and f are supposed to be > sharpened? :-) \keyed \a \harmonicminor { a g g+ a } Is it really that difficult to figure out a rational input syntax? I could come up with a dozen completely different ones without breaking a sweat. Cheers,

RE: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

arsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf > Of antlists > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 12:22 PM > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent > > On 18/05/2020 17:33, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> We (well… modulo me LOL) don’t get this wo

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

: Monday, May 18, 2020 12:22 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent On 18/05/2020 17:33, Kieren MacMillan wrote: We (well… modulo me LOL) don’t get this worked up about how \relative makes cut-and-paste a nightmare. Why start now?;) Those of us

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi Elaine, > Use of \relative is always fine if you realize that you need to explicitly > define it every time you break it up. If you have any desire to reuse small bits, that means you need to have dozens (maybe hundreds?) of pre-defined bits. I can’t imagine wanting to go through that

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> -- Forwarded message -- > From: antlists > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 20:21:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent > On 18/05/2020 17:33, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > We (

RE: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 12:22 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent On 18/05/2020 17:33, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > We (well… modulo me LOL) don’t get this worked up about how \relative > makes cut-and-paste a nightmare. Why start now?;)

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi Wol, > Those of us who only use \relative (just me?) don't have any problems with > cut-n-paste. Or is it just that my workflow is more likely to use "\repeat > unfold"? Let’s say you’re writing a piece in sonata form (or even just engraving an existing one!). You want to [re]use mm.

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 18/05/2020 17:33, Kieren MacMillan wrote: We (well… modulo me LOL) don’t get this worked up about how \relative makes cut-and-paste a nightmare. Why start now?;) Those of us who only use \relative (just me?) don't have any problems with cut-n-paste. Or is it just that my workflow is more

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

My apologies for the text formatting of my last mail. I wrote the message on my mobile phone and didn't notice the formatting issue. >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> [...]. That being said… > > Are not > > \relative f' > > and > > \fixed c''' > > just "feature requests for laziness with resulting opaqueness"? ;) [...] > We (well… modulo me LOL) don’t get this worked up about how \relative makes > cut-and-paste a nightmare. Why start now? ;)

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> LilyPond's input language has no representation for c-natural >> as opposed to c-unkeyed-yet. Any kind of implementation would be doomed >> without >> that, anyway. Once you have that, it really becomes a tricky question >> of where c-unkeyed-yet would

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Am 18. Mai 2020 18:33:09 MESZ schrieb Kieren MacMillan : >Hi all, > >> This is just a feature request for laziness with resulting >opaqueness. I think it has been requested several times over the years >because of other program's bad habits. > >I agree with this 100%. That being said… > >Are

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi all, > >> This is just a feature request for laziness with resulting > opaqueness. I think it has been requested several times over the years > because of other program's bad habits. > > I agree with this 100%. That being said… > > Are not > > \relative f' > >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:17 AM Urs Liska wrote: [...] > I think there are only two reliable (and therefore reasonable) > approaches. Either you encode a pitch at what it "is" (a f sharp is > always an f sharp) or you encode it at how it is printed (a note in the > first staff space of a treble

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi David, > LilyPond's input language has no representation for c-natural > as opposed to c-unkeyed-yet. Any kind of implementation would be doomed > without > that, anyway. Once you have that, it really becomes a tricky question > of where c-unkeyed-yet would get its final pitch. And how this

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Am 18. Mai 2020 18:48:04 MESZ schrieb David Kastrup : >Urs Liska writes: > >> Am Montag, den 18.05.2020, 18:11 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: >>> Gianmaria Lari writes: >>> >>> > I don't know "how much Frescobaldi knows" of the lilypond code the >>> > user is editing. If it has a logical

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Urs Liska writes: > Am Montag, den 18.05.2020, 18:11 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: >> Gianmaria Lari writes: >> >> > I don't know "how much Frescobaldi knows" of the lilypond code the >> > user is editing. If it has a logical representation of the source >> > code it could be Frescobaldi (and

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi all, > This is just a feature request for laziness with resulting opaqueness. I > think it has been requested several times over the years because of other > program's bad habits. I agree with this 100%. That being said… Are not \relative f' and \fixed c''' just "feature

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

This is just a feature request for laziness with resulting opaqueness. I think it has been requested several times over the years because of other program's bad habits. Shane On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:17 PM Urs Liska wrote: > Am Montag, den 18.05.2020, 18:11 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: > >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Am Montag, den 18.05.2020, 18:11 +0200 schrieb David Kastrup: > Gianmaria Lari writes: > > > Hello Paul, > > > > > > > [...]If I'm writing music in F, then I suggest that I be able to > > > use *bF* > > > as a pitch instead of *bf*. The *F* would indicate that all > > > subsequent *b*s > > >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Gianmaria Lari writes: > Hello Paul, > > >> [...]If I'm writing music in F, then I suggest that I be able to use *bF* >> as a pitch instead of *bf*. The *F* would indicate that all subsequent *b*s >> would be flattened until one is encountered with a different accidental or >> until the end of

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hello Paul, > [...]If I'm writing music in F, then I suggest that I be able to use *bF* > as a pitch instead of *bf*. The *F* would indicate that all subsequent *b*s > would be flattened until one is encountered with a different accidental or > until the end of the current music expression. It

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Paul McKay writes: > Hi David > I agree that searching backwards would be horrific. I was not thinking it > would be implemented that way. Suppose one could write something like the > following: > > itsInDmajor = { \override Voice.pitchTweaks = #( (f fs) (c cs) ) > > music = { \ itsInDmajor d4 f

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi David I agree that searching backwards would be horrific. I was not thinking it would be implemented that way. Suppose one could write something like the following: itsInDmajor = { \override Voice.pitchTweaks = #( (f fs) (c cs) ) music = { \ itsInDmajor d4 f a c d } and implement it where

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

It was mentioned on TwoSetViolin. > On 15 May 2020, at 10:50, Jacques Menu wrote: > > Excellent Hans, sending that pun to our flute player, think she’s from Texas… > > >> Le 15 mai 2020 à 10:45, Hans Åberg a écrit : >> >> >>> On 15 May 2020, at 00:38, Karlin High wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Excellent Hans, sending that pun to our flute player, think she’s from Texas… > Le 15 mai 2020 à 10:45, Hans Åberg a écrit : > > >> On 15 May 2020, at 00:38, Karlin High wrote: >> >> On 5/14/2020 5:32 PM, antlists wrote: >>> Because Americans like to think they speak English (but they are

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> On 15 May 2020, at 00:38, Karlin High wrote: > > On 5/14/2020 5:32 PM, antlists wrote: >> Because Americans like to think they speak English (but they are mistaken!). >> I play crotchets, not quarter-notes. I don't know what other weird language >> habits the Americans have ... :-) > >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 14/05/2020 23:38, Karlin High wrote: On 5/14/2020 5:32 PM, antlists wrote: Because Americans like to think they speak English (but they are mistaken!). I play crotchets, not quarter-notes. I don't know what other weird language habits the Americans have ... :-) You really don't know? I'm

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 5/14/2020 5:32 PM, antlists wrote: Because Americans like to think they speak English (but they are mistaken!). I play crotchets, not quarter-notes. I don't know what other weird language habits the Americans have ... :-) You really don't know? I'm almost certain you'd have some good

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 14/05/2020 19:46, David Wright wrote: Wol gave these "b" people the benefit of the doubt as being "b/h" people (but why was the American tongue mentioned?). Because Americans like to think they speak English (but they are mistaken!). I play crotchets, not quarter-notes. I don't know what

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

David Nalesnik writes: > I can really only speak of the Midwest, and of undergraduate music > students. It is my observation that the habit of calling F-sharps "F" > goes along with mistakes in sight-reading and in chord spelling. Let's talk about sharps in order not to think b/h is involved.

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:47 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 14 May 2020 at 10:38:59 (+0200), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 14 May 2020, at 03:38, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I can't say that I've met > > > English speakers in either the UK or US who use b and h for Bflat and B. > > > Under

RE: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

0 11:46 AM To: Hans Åberg ; David Nalesnik Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent On Thu 14 May 2020 at 10:38:59 (+0200), Hans Åberg wrote: > > On 14 May 2020, at 03:38, David Wright wrote: > > > > I can't say that I've met > >

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Thu 14 May 2020 at 10:38:59 (+0200), Hans Åberg wrote: > > On 14 May 2020, at 03:38, David Wright wrote: > > > > I can't say that I've met > > English speakers in either the UK or US who use b and h for Bflat and B. > > Under what circumstances do you hear it: amateur choirs and orchestral >

Re: [OT] Camp David (was "Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent")

And this, of course, reminds me of... (Soft knocks at the door) CHONG: Who is it? CHEECH: It's me, Dave. Open up, man, I got the stuff. (More knocks) CHONG: Who is it? CHEECH: It's me, Dave, man. Open up, I got the stuff. CHONG: Who? CHEECH: It's, Dave, man. Open up, I think the cops saw me come

Re: [OT] Camp David (was "Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent")

On 5/14/2020 8:12 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: If I remember correctly, there were 16 Davids (17, if you count the counselor). Only 6 more, and they could have had an enactment of the Dr. Seuss "Too Many Daves" poem. --

[OT] Camp David (was "Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent")

Hi David(s), > Once again the name "David" rears its head! You are mixing my > response with David Kastrup's > > This all reminds me of my undergraduate days in the late 80s/early > 90s. I remember feeling a little affronted by a flyer for a party > that started "Hey Dave!" since of course I

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 8:39 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 13 May 2020 at 16:35:48 (-0500), David Nalesnik wrote: > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:34 PM antlists wrote: > > > > > > On 13/05/2020 16:38, David Kastrup wrote: > > > > Given the number of English-speaking LilyPond users who all

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

> On 14 May 2020, at 03:38, David Wright wrote: > > I can't say that I've met > English speakers in either the UK or US who use b and h for Bflat and B. > Under what circumstances do you hear it: amateur choirs and orchestral > players, professionals, or in academic duscussions of German

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Wed 13 May 2020 at 16:35:48 (-0500), David Nalesnik wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:34 PM antlists wrote: > > > > On 13/05/2020 16:38, David Kastrup wrote: > > > Given the number of English-speaking LilyPond users who all share the > > > somewhat strange habit of calling a b-flat "b" if

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:34 PM antlists wrote: > > On 13/05/2020 16:38, David Kastrup wrote: > > Given the number of English-speaking LilyPond users who all share the > > somewhat strange habit of calling a b-flat "b" if there is a flat in the > > key signature, it is sort of a safe bet that you

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 13/05/2020 16:38, David Kastrup wrote: Given the number of English-speaking LilyPond users who all share the somewhat strange habit of calling a b-flat "b" if there is a flat in the key signature, it is sort of a safe bet that you are not the first to make this kind of proposal. Are these

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Paul McKay writes: > Hi > I can't help thinking that this has probably been suggested before, but in > case it hasn't I've set out my thoughts here. In the past I've used > Sibelius and I like the way that it applies sharps and flats from the key > signature automatically. This really doesn't

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On 5/13/20, Paul McKay wrote: > If I'm writing music in F, then I suggest that I be able to use *bF* as a > pitch instead of *bf*. The *F* would indicate that all subsequent *b*s > would be flattened until one is encountered with a different accidental or > until the end of the current music

Re: Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

On Wed 13 May 2020 at 14:59:10 (+0100), Paul McKay wrote: > If I'm writing music in F, then I suggest that I be able to use *bF* as a > pitch instead of *bf*. The *F* would indicate that all subsequent *b*s > would be flattened until one is encountered with a different accidental or > until the

Suggestion to make sharps and flats persistent

Hi I can't help thinking that this has probably been suggested before, but in case it hasn't I've set out my thoughts here. In the past I've used Sibelius and I like the way that it applies sharps and flats from the key signature automatically. This really doesn't seem to conform to the way