Re: Co-sponsorship: repeated ties for second endings

2005-10-25 Thread Peter Mogensen
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Hello everybody! In the last weeks, there has been talk on repeating ties in second endings of repeats automatically. This is a sponsorship under the Small feature regime, so I would like to put it up for 130 EUR (incl VAT for EU). Peter Mogensen already agreed

Co-sponsorship: repeated ties for second endings

2005-10-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Hello everybody! In the last weeks, there has been talk on repeating ties in second endings of repeats automatically. This is a sponsorship under the Small feature regime, so I would like to put it up for 130 EUR (incl VAT for EU). Peter Mogensen already agreed to put forth 65 EUR

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Thursday 22 September 2005 11.37, Peter Mogensen wrote: Erik Sandberg wrote: why not do something like this? \new DrumStaff { \drummode { \repeat volta 2 { sn4 sn sn sn} \alternative { {sn4 sn sn sn } {\grace s4 sn4 hh2. }

Re: Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 23 September 2005 01.19, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: IIRC think I have set the price at EUR 110 for #1 + #2 (incl VAT and/or transfer costs, depending on where you live.) Sorry, I'm a bit uncoherent. The point I'm trying to make is that the Grand Unified

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Wouldn't it be possible to use the new support for laissez vibrer in version 2.7.10, to draw these ties? /Mats D Josiah Boothby wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 09:33 +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Ties are not normally continued into second endings, but a standard trick is to add a tie from an

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Peter Mogensen
Erik Sandberg wrote: Define proper. The above requires you to add the hack to all staves if you need it in one staff. That's too much trouble for my lilypond use. - it's future compatible (I have plans to fix the grace note bug). - with your solution, the tied note is placed slightly to the

Re: Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Peter Mogensen wrote: You're right. But the I was trying to make is that if something requires desing-considerations for a clean solution, then it can be difficult to find small useful solutions, which together gets you all the way. I'm not in a position to evaluate whether this is the case,

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Mats Bengtsson wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to use the new support for laissez vibrer in version 2.7.10, to draw these ties? that's exactly the feature I am trying to raise money for. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-23 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 23 September 2005 10.45, Mats Bengtsson wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to use the new support for laissez vibrer in version 2.7.10, to draw these ties? That's #1 in Han-Wen's sponsorable solution (see thread Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings) -- Erik

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Ties are not normally continued into second endings, but a standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. One way is to make the invisible note a grace note. In that way, it doesn't destroy the rhythm. Uh, oh, ugly (the situation, not the idea or your code). Han-Wen, handling such

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Mogensen
Fairchild wrote: Graham - Here's a trim-down of the thread, for sticking in the manual, in the section on ties, or repeats, or both. Edit to suit. There ought to be a better way that makes the tie more pronounced, but a simple way eludes me. - Bruce

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Peter Mogensen wrote: Fairchild wrote: Graham - Here's a trim-down of the thread, for sticking in the manual, in the section on ties, or repeats, or both. Edit to suit. There ought to be a better way that makes the tie more pronounced, but a simple way eludes me. -

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Mogensen
Erik Sandberg wrote: why not do something like this? \new DrumStaff { \drummode { \repeat volta 2 { sn4 sn sn sn} \alternative { {sn4 sn sn sn } {\grace s4 sn4 hh2. } } } } This is the proper way to do

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Erik Sandberg
Citerar Peter Mogensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fairchild wrote: \version 2.4.6 \layout{ raggedright = ##t } \score{ \relative c' { \repeat volta 2 { f g a2 ~ } \alternative { { a4 g2 f4 } { \grace{ \hideNotes a4~ } \unHideNotes a g2. } }}} No... because this won't work when

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Mogensen
Mats Bengtsson wrote: Peter Mogensen wrote: Mats Bengtsson wrote: See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-09/msg00444.html for the simple extra work-around that's needed. Yes... I did read your post. And as I said in the answer, I've experienced that that solution causes

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Bengtsson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:16 AM To: Peter Mogensen Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ties in second endings Peter Mogensen wrote: Mats Bengtsson wrote: * Ties are not continued into second endings The standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. You can

RE: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Fairchild
Title: Message Mats - You must be right. I recallseeing a third ending inserted with only one staff, but can't repeat it. Here's an example of what happens with a grace note on one of two staves. \version "2.4.6"\layout { raggedright = ##t }\score{ \relative c' \new Staff { \repeat

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread D Josiah Boothby
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 09:33 +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Ties are not normally continued into second endings, but a standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. One way is to make the invisible note a grace note. In that way, it doesn't destroy the rhythm. Uh, oh, ugly (the

Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Mogensen
D Josiah Boothby wrote: Not having any income to speak of right now, I may come to regret mentioning this, but I would be willing to support -- as in co-sponsor -- a fix to this problem. I don't have much, but it sure would be nice to be able to rally the support to see ties and slurs resume

Re: Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Peter Mogensen wrote: I think a lot of us do... I hope for a more clean complete solution which also could handle ties into CODA-jumps. I guess there's many users which would like such larger features, but do not have the money to pay for the grand unified solution alone. I hope Han-Wen could

Re: Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: IIRC think I have set the price at EUR 110 for #1 + #2 (incl VAT and/or transfer costs, depending on where you live.) Sorry, I'm a bit uncoherent. The point I'm trying to make is that the Grand Unified Solution should be built from many Small Useful Solutions.

Re: Co-sponsoring Was: Ties in second endings

2005-09-22 Thread Peter Mogensen
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: IIRC think I have set the price at EUR 110 for #1 + #2 (incl VAT and/or transfer costs, depending on where you live.) Sorry, I'm a bit uncoherent. The point I'm trying to make is that the Grand Unified Solution should be built from many

Re: Ties in second endings (and a small rant)

2005-09-21 Thread Peter Mogensen
Mats Bengtsson wrote: I hope you know how to fix it, namely to insert a \grace{s4} in the beginning of the second ending of all other voices. Example: [snip] The other alternative that is often used is to fiddle with the durations, as in the following example, but then you either get the

RE: Ties in second endings

2005-09-21 Thread Fairchild
by making it slightly longer. - Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mats Bengtsson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:16 AM To: Peter Mogensen Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ties in second endings Peter

Re: Ties in second endings

2005-09-21 Thread Graham Percival
On 21-Sep-05, at 4:25 AM, Fairchild wrote: Thanks. Your two alternatives should make the docs, maybe Tips and Tricks. Well, you know how to do that. You can add it to the LSR or the lilypond wiki, or write some text and copy the example and send it to me for inclusion in the manual.

RE: Ties in second endings

2005-09-21 Thread Fairchild
Title: Message Graham - Here's a trim-down of the thread, for sticking in the manual, in the section on ties, or repeats, or both. Edit to suit. There ought to be a better way that makes the tie more pronounced, but a simple way eludes me. - Bruce Ties

Ties in second endings

2005-09-20 Thread Peter Mogensen
Mats Bengtsson wrote: * Ties are not continued into second endings The standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. You can find several examples in the mailing list archives. I did that. But this is also one of the examples where the hack doesn't play well with the entire score.