Regarding those questions I didn't know how to word in an
understandable way; my reasons for just simply letting them sit
unasked is that in my experience, it means I've missed something along
the way to the problem.
So just hanging tough and letting the problem sit while I go on with
soe other
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 04:54:15PM -0700, David Fedoruk wrote:
Also, remember that my time zone is GMT -8, so I am one of the last
people on this list to see anything posted.
Same here, being in Burnaby.
If I had to say one thing that is wrong with documentation is that the
people doing the
David Fedoruk wrote:
So just hanging tough and letting the problem sit while I go on with
some other portion of my project usually results in either finding the
answer to my problem along the way as I proceed, or finding a way to
ask the question.
There are the times when just going back
One other thing, much of the time I have questions, but do not know
how to ask the question. That is extremely frustrating and I don't
know if there is anything you can do about it. Sometimes i just
don't know the correct terminology to use. Many things that are
assumed when you are playing
Yeah it's proving to be an interesting learning experience trying to
wrap my head around Lilypond. I feel it is like a multi-headed beast
with Scheme Lilypond script intermingled together. It makes for an
interesting mix to get ones head around. The manuals are helpful but
there are hugh
David,
Thanks for your comments, and for thinking carefully about your LilyPond
use. I'm not sure exactly what you hoped to have happen as a result of this
post, so it's difficult for me to respond. However, I do feel like I need
to clear up one point you made:
On 8/11/09 7:37 PM, David
On 12.08.2009, at 12:26, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
Yeah it's proving to be an interesting learning experience trying
to wrap my head around Lilypond. I feel it is like a multi-headed
beast with Scheme Lilypond script intermingled together. It makes
for an interesting mix to get ones head
James E. Bailey wrote:
Personally, I think this is an area where knowing too much gets in the
way. I, for example, have no clue about Scheme. Scheme is, as far as
I'm concerned, what other people do to save typing. In fact, I'm of
the opinion that there's no need to use Scheme, it's just there
James E. Bailey wrote:
Really? What can't you do without Scheme?
Algorithmic music.
- Mark
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On 12.08.2009, at 19:33, Mark Polesky wrote:
James E. Bailey wrote:
Personally, I think this is an area where knowing too much gets in
the
way. I, for example, have no clue about Scheme. Scheme is, as far as
I'm concerned, what other people do to save typing. In fact, I'm of
the opinion
On 12.08.2009, at 20:41, Mark Polesky wrote:
James E. Bailey wrote:
Really? What can't you do without Scheme?
Algorithmic music.
- Mark
Surely the calculations can be performed outside of lilypond, and
then simply input into lilypond for a score, right? Or am I missing
something?
James E. Bailey wrote:
Surely the calculations can be performed outside of lilypond,
and then simply input into lilypond for a score, right? Or am I
missing something?
Sure, but scheme can greatly facilitate things. I should clarify
that algorithmic music hardly represents the bulk of my
The documentation for Lilypond has one problem; it is, as the program is
itself, under development. It is screamingly frustrating for us
non-programmer users. However, that said, it is changing because it is not
nearly finished, it is required to print many different kinds of music.
The Learning
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:37:19PM -0700, David Fedoruk wrote:
The documentation for Lilypond has one problem; it is, as the program is
itself, under development. It is screamingly frustrating for us
non-programmer
users.
Yes, but nothing forces people to upgrade. The documentation for
David Fedoruk wrote:
...
I agree with everything you've said. I used to hate LilyPond; now
I'm a developer... I've experienced some pull-your-hair-out
aggravating confusions, but I've stuck with it. Yes, it's a work-
in-progress. Yes, it comes with no warranty. But it can be
rewarding to be a
Hope this helps to clarity things for you...
I have been looking at ways to tidy up my lilypond scripts. So, I've
made an attempt to follow the good supply of examples in the various
lilypond documents.
One adapted suggestion I've sourced from the Lilypond Learning Manual
(5.1.3) runs as
On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
So again my question is, how can I assign a new value to a variable
so I can make all this happen and keep my global declarations /
assignments to an absolute minimum and meet my goal of ensuring
good clarity in my lilypond code for
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 09:05:41PM +0700, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
One adapted suggestion I've sourced from the Lilypond Learning Manual (5.1.3)
runs as follows...
MUSICBOOK.ly contains the list of all music sheets for the music book.
I don't think that was suggested in LM 5.1.3. This isn't a
Quoting Simon Mackenzie smac...@me.com:
Ok it appears to be a scoping issue.
So I need to declare variables outside the \book scope? Is this correct?
But if my script file is included inside a \book scope how can i then
declare new variables inside this scope?
You can't! All variables are
Simon
On 08/08/2009, at 05:41, Trevor Daniels wrote:
Simon Mackenzie wrote Friday, August 07, 2009 3:55 PM
Eg. What does it mean on page 34 of the Learning Tutorial when it
says...
Variables must be defined before the main music expression.
Does this mean the \score { } or does it
Ahhh!
Thank you.
Simon
On 08/08/2009, at 20:04, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Quoting Simon Mackenzie smac...@me.com:
Ok it appears to be a scoping issue.
So I need to declare variables outside the \book scope? Is this
correct?
But if my script file is included inside a \book scope how can i
On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
Here is my scenario
If I create a variable at the top scope how do I reassign its value
in a subsequent scope eg.
aVariable = \markup { \bold bananas }
\book {
\bookpart {
\aVariable % bananas
On 08.08.2009, at 17:30, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
Here is my scenario
If I create a variable at the top scope how do I reassign its
value in a subsequent scope eg.
aVariable = \markup { \bold bananas }
\book {
\bookpart {
Agreed!!!
Eg. What does it mean on page 34 of the Learning Tutorial when it
says...
Variables must be defined before the main music expression.
Does this mean the \score { } or does it mean the expression in which
the declared variable is referenced?
Because I dutifully declare my
Ok it appears to be a scoping issue.
So I need to declare variables outside the \book scope? Is this correct?
But if my script file is included inside a \book scope how can i then
declare new variables inside this scope?
Simon
On 07/08/2009, at 21:55, Simon Mackenzie wrote:
Agreed!!!
Eg.
Simon Mackenzie wrote Friday, August 07, 2009 3:55 PM
Eg. What does it mean on page 34 of the Learning Tutorial when it
says...
Variables must be defined before the main music expression.
Does this mean the \score { } or does it mean the expression in
which
the declared variable is
Recently my cygwin based lilypond 2.10.33 install starting erroring out
on all lilypond LY files.
The given error is failed (13568) following a listing of the gs
command line description.
lilypond is installed correctly, ghostscript seems to be OK, and there
are no applications which have
2008/11/29 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Citeren John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
confronted with multiple choice, none of which are distinguished from each
other in regard as to the best one to pick.
If I understood what was said, the 2.11 and later documentation is better
than 2.10 and earlier. Why
Graham Percival wrote:
... umm, WHAT?!
Are you seriously claiming that you couldn't find the Learning
Manual link? Top-left on the Documentation page?
1) go to lilypond.org
2) click on documentation
3) click on documentation for 2.11
4) click on Learning manual
5) click on 1.2 About the
2008/11/29 John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you want your documentation to
really be useful, then put in enough qualification that all other
possibilities are eliminated. This is the exact nature of putting something
like Choose this link to find the best documentation for getting a handle
I just have to say that, having been a newbie at one point, with absolutely
no background in script programs, I found LilyPond quite a simple affair to
learn well enough to accomplish something. After that, it was all about
exploring docs. Now I have a handful of students who have learned it
Citeren John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
confronted with multiple choice, none of which are distinguished from
each other in regard as to the best one to pick.
If I understood what was said, the 2.11 and later documentation is
better than 2.10 and earlier. Why would I look at 2.11
I
(sorry to copy the whole thing back, but it seems appropriate some how).
I hear your pain. I'll do what I can, but it may not be much. I'm
currently taking violin lessons from Jeremy Cohen (Grammy nominated
this year), and Julian Smedley (Berkeley Hot Club and others), and
Guitar from Jimmy
Understood, and no argumenthere then is another suggestion...if
this tutorial is as good as you say. Make sure it crosses the paths of
newbies enough that they will end up reading before they get in as deep
as I have.
Will I read it? Yes, may the next time I run into a problem. But
would
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 01:24:35AM -0800, John Sellers wrote:
Understood, and no argumenthere then is another suggestion...if this
tutorial is as good as you say. Make sure it crosses the paths of newbies
enough that they will end up reading before they get in as deep as I have.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 01:13:21AM -0800, John Sellers wrote:
(sorry to copy the whole thing back, but it seems appropriate some how).
-snip long rambling rant-
John, please spend a few minutes looking at our web pages. We
already do virtually everything you mentioned. You mentioned:
2008/11/27 John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Is this learning tutorial going to be part of a stable version soon
The tutorial in the learning manual is a part of the docs of the
current development version.
This version is the next stable. It is recommended to move soon to it,
for many reasons.
--
John Sellers wrote:
Will I read it? Yes, may the next time I run into a problem. But would you
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this email when you STILL
haven't looked at the current Learning Manual! Geez...
tell me where to find it, and just which tutorial you are referring
On 11/27/08 2:24 AM, John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Understood, and no argumenthere then is another suggestion...if this
tutorial is as good as you say. Make sure it crosses the paths of newbies
enough that they will end up reading before they get in as deep as I have.
I think
On 11/27/08 2:13 AM, John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hear your pain. I'll do what I can, but it may not be much. I'm currently
taking violin lessons from Jeremy Cohen (Grammy nominated this year), and
Julian Smedley (Berkeley Hot Club and others), and Guitar from Jimmy Luttrell
o) Each page is layed out separately, so that the staff for one
instrument continues at a completely different position on
the next page. This makes reading full scores (and trying to
follow one instrument) while conducting almost impossible
I disagree. This is the
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Reinhold Kainhofer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- -) partcombine in general: It's very aggressive and as such noch suitable
for
full scores: it combines even single notes so that at worst each note in a
measure will get a2, Solo, a2, Solo, for example if you do
I must admit...
That I do share some feelings with John. I've been using LilyPond
infrequently for many years, and frequently for a year now. I often
get surprised by its behaviour, and I often have to puzzle how to
achieve certain results.
But...
The documentation has improved enormously. The
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Am Samstag, 22. November 2008 schrieb Johan Vromans:
Every piece of music is different. Very often I am surprised that
LilyPond *can* actually achieve something wierd that I had in mind.
I'm pretty sure many of the 'user friendly' point-n-click
I have no argument with what you say about the documentation compared
with many kinds of technical documentation, as long as you stick close
to home.
The Lilypond folks work hard and do a lot of nice stuff, including
documentation.
However, that doesn't change the facts of what I say.
The
On 11/21/08 4:56 PM, John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have no argument with what you say about the documentation compared with
many kinds of technical documentation, as long as you stick close to home.
The Lilypond folks work hard and do a lot of nice stuff, including
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:20:23PM -0700, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
On 11/21/08 4:56 PM, John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The origin of the problem is that developers don't have to walk the path of
the newbies from beginning to end and it is very difficult to provide a
whole
I had the same problem. Then I started to develop LilyPondTool for jEdit.
Using that I managed to understand LilyPond much better.
Do you use LilyPondTool? See the Demos at http://lilypondtool.organum.hu
Bert
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On 20.11.2008 (09:49), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had the same problem. Then I started to develop LilyPondTool for jEdit.
Using that I managed to understand LilyPond much better.
Talking of which: when will there be a new version? :)
Eyolf
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You're all clear now, kid. Now blow this thing
Well, uh, I was quite busy in these weeks. And I wanted to finish a new
feature but it seems that I won't have time for that.
So, as there is a new JEdit version out, I must check that everything
works with that.
If that's ok, I'll make a release, I hope that bundling the
documentation will
I am in Silicon Valley. I've never met and talked to another lilypond
user face to face. It is lonely out here.
I've used lilypond off and on for a few years AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE
TO REALLY LEARN IT WELL!
There are five reasons
1) lack of context
2) lack of context
3) lack of context
I've found the lilypond documentation to be quite good (after having been
using it now for about a year). It starts with an introduction, has a
friendly gentle tutorial, followed up by a detailed reference.
If you're not able to use it, maybe start with a simple project. As you
become more
On 11/19/08 1:54 AM, John Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am in Silicon Valley. I've never met and talked to another lilypond
user face to face. It is lonely out here.
I've used lilypond off and on for a few years AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE
TO REALLY LEARN IT WELL!
I think that those
I don't know how applicable this is since everyone is different, but my tack
was to start small, then work up. I can't honestly say that I'm expert or even
very good at using LP, but it is allowing me to score out my ideas and create
some decent sounding demos of my songs. I started scoring
ke, 2008-11-19 kello 00:54 -0800, John Sellers kirjoitti:
[...]
I've used lilypond off and on for a few years AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE
TO REALLY LEARN IT WELL!
There are five reasons
1) lack of context
2) lack of context
3) lack of context
4) lack of context
5) lack of context
6)
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