Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread bb
Many thanks to all responses patiently describing how lilypond is doing. I have to accept that lilypond way and I think to understand it now and will internalize it. Thanks and regards! Am 29.01.2018 um 18:22 schrieb David Kastrup: bb writes: There was such a

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread David Kastrup
bb writes: > There was such a lot of information in all the responses, thanks. > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/bar-lines-and-bar-checks.en.html > Bar lines > Bar checks > I have read this and I think to understand. > > \cadenzaOn does not set

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 29.01.2018 18:13, bb wrote: I already understand THAT lilypond is checking the bar lines I set myself and give me a message if wrong/critical. But I do not understand why lilypond is setting the same wrong/critical bar line WITHOUT giving me a message. As lilypond obviously checks bar

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
BB-3 wrote > Sorry, needed some time to realize that I expect to much from lilypond > to check automatically set bar lines and such "impossible cases" of > 17/16 itself. That's exactly the point: but it isn't a case of "17/16", it's just a case of a quaver note starting at 16/16 (the notehead

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 29.01.2018 17:00, bb wrote: Sorry, needed some time to realize that I expect too much from lilypond to check automatically set bar lines and such "impossible cases" of 17/16 itself. There are situations where one might want notes crossing a bar line, e.g. mensural layout solutions.

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread bb
Thank you! I already understand THAT lilypond is checking the bar lines I set myself and give me a message if wrong/critical. But I do not understand why lilypond is setting the same wrong/critical bar line WITHOUT giving me a message. As lilypond obviously checks bar length, why not telling

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/29/18, 8:29 AM, "bb" wrote: Nonsense! I do not want lilypond to do it my way. But I want lilypond to throw an error message, a warning or a remark that lilypond is breaking basic rules and help me to improve my limited understanding of

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread bb
8 um 16:48 schrieb Phil Holmes: - Original Message - From: "bb" <bb-543...@telecolumbus.net> To: <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:29 PM Subject: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note Nonsense! I do not want lilypond to do it my way. But I

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "bb" <bb-543...@telecolumbus.net> To: <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:29 PM Subject: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note Nonsense! I do not want lilypond to do it my way. But I want lilypond to throw an er

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread bb
Nonsense! I do not want lilypond to do it my way. But I want lilypond to throw an error message, a warning or a remark  that lilypond is breaking basic rules and help me to improve my limited understanding of music! Am 29.01.2018 um 15:54 schrieb David Wright: On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 15:16:53

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread David Wright
On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 15:16:53 (+0100), bb wrote: > There was such a lot of information in all the responses, thanks. > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/bar-lines-and-bar-checks.en.html > Bar lines > Bar checks > I have read this and I think to understand. > > \cadenzaOn

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "bb" <bb-543...@telecolumbus.net> To: <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 2:16 PM Subject: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note The point in the example is, that there is one 16th to much in the bar, not one missing

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread bb
There was such a lot of information in all the responses, thanks. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/bar-lines-and-bar-checks.en.html Bar lines Bar checks I have read this and I think to understand. \cadenzaOn does not set or check barlines and opens freedom to the user,

Re: Fwd: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
David Kastrup wrote > Seriously? It's pretty much standard fare [...] Yes, David, no kidding! I couldn't believe it either... Incidentally, a few months ago someone asked me whether I knew how to do this in MuseScore. My first thought was: well, MuseScore is a non-commercial, non-professional

Re: Fwd: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle writes: > Hi Bernhard, > > a cadenza is rhythmically free, no checks, no limits, no rules. So a > combination of \cadenzaOn and | doesn't make any sense. > > Apart from this - in addition to all the other replies - I'd like to > point out that

Re: Fwd: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hi Bernhard, a cadenza is rhythmically free, no checks, no limits, no rules. So a combination of \cadenzaOn and | doesn't make any sense. Apart from this - in addition to all the other replies - I'd like to point out that LilyPond's behaviour (allow note durations to stretch out into the next

Re: Fwd: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Urs Liska
---- Betreff: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note Datum: 29.01.2018 11:30 Von: Thomas Morley <thomasmorle...@gmail.com> An: Blöchl Bernhard <b_120902342...@telecolumbus.net> Kopie: lilypond-user <lilypond-user@gnu.org> 2018-01-29 11:21 GMT+01:00 Blöchl Bernhard <b_120902342.

Fwd: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
this with g'1 e1 c2. c' g4 c g e c4 r r2 I get an "opn end" as Urs described. But then bar check wont help? Thanks anyway. Regards Originalnachricht ---- Betreff: Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note Datum: 29.01.2018 11:30 Von: Thomas Morley <thomasmorle..

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Thomas Morley
2018-01-29 11:21 GMT+01:00 Blöchl Bernhard : > Thanks! Usually I take care of the notes in mesures and count correctly, > that was an error by chance I overlooked. So I did not now that lilypond > behaviour. I was awaiting an error message or at least a warning.

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 29.01.2018 um 11:21 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: Thanks! Usually I take care of the notes in mesures and count correctly, that was an error by chance I  overlooked. So I did not now that lilypond behaviour. I was awaiting an error message or at least a warning. No, as Malte said you'll get

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
Thanks. I am not a lilypond power user. That was an error by chance, I awaited an error message or a warning. Actually learned Completion_heads_engraver! Regards Am 29.01.2018 10:56, schrieb Malte Meyn: Am 29.01.2018 um 10:53 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: In my limited knowledge of music I think

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
Thanks! Usually I take care of the notes in mesures and count correctly, that was an error by chance I overlooked. So I did not now that lilypond behaviour. I was awaiting an error message or at least a warning. Regards Am 29.01.2018 10:56, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 29.01.2018 um 10:53

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Malte Meyn
Am 29.01.2018 um 10:53 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: In my limited knowledge of music I think that bar is wrong because of the dotted 8th note? Regards %\version "2.19.80" \version "2.18.20" mus = \relative c'' { d4  cis8  c8  b8. ais8  a  gis } <<   \new Voice \mus LilyPond does the right

Re: turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 29.01.2018 um 10:53 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: In my limited knowledge of music I think that bar is wrong because of the dotted 8th note? Regards %\version "2.19.80" \version "2.18.20" mus = \relative c'' { d4  cis8  c8  b8. ais8  a  gis } <<   \new Voice \mus Indeed, it is, and

turning a blind eye to dotted note

2018-01-29 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
In my limited knowledge of music I think that bar is wrong because of the dotted 8th note? Regards %\version "2.19.80" \version "2.18.20" mus = \relative c'' { d4 cis8 c8 b8. ais8 a gis } << \new Voice \mus ___ lilypond-user mailing list