.sh install
Because of the faster lilypond compilation I prefer puppy-linux. But since the version 2.13.42 I cannot install lilypond anymore. As far as version 2.13.41 everything worked perfectly. Message in terminal: Untarring lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file tar: Child died with signal 13 tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors Regards ff ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: .sh install
2011/3/31 Friedrich Fischer fried.fisc...@gmail.com: Because of the faster lilypond compilation I prefer puppy-linux. But since the version 2.13.42 I cannot install lilypond anymore. As far as version 2.13.41 everything worked perfectly. Message in terminal: Untarring lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file tar: Child died with signal 13 tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors Regards ff It looks that your download failed. Please try downloading it again, then tell us. Also test 2.13.55 or 2.13.54. Remember to uninstall older installed versions first. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
Good question. I suspect I will be having a similar problem in the future...at the moment, I was thinking of using Sibelius's built-in OMR to try to convert a pdf. Anyone know of a better way? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. regards, Shane Brandes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Favorite Lilypond-Score Printer?
Tim Reeves wrote: The HP 4700DN laser printer I have used jams every time I try to print double-sided. So effectively it cannot print double-sided. Otherwise, it's alright. I do agree though that laser is better than inkjet. I tested a page from my dirt-cheap desktop laser printer under running water for several minutes, and there was not a hint of the smudging which IMX ink-based printers suffer from. Unfortunately A3-size laser printers of corresponding quality are (relatively) very expensive. :-( ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
Hello List, I installed Mac OSX 10.6.7 and now am unable to print my beautiful sheets from my mac! It seems to be related to a font problem in the last security update: http://www.tidbits.com/article/12078 Luckily I work on Ubuntu and can print from there ... Sorry for this off topic message, but I know, there are a lot mac users in this community ;-) Cheers, Jan-Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Jan-Peter Voigt wrote: Hello List, I installed Mac OSX 10.6.7 and now am unable to print my beautiful sheets from my mac! It seems to be related to a font problem in the last security update: http://www.tidbits.com/article/12078 Luckily I work on Ubuntu and can print from there ... Sorry for this off topic message, but I know, there are a lot mac users in this community ;-) Cheers, Jan-Peter I have the same problem. A solution proposed on the French list is downloading Skim (http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ ), although I have not managed to get that working either with my borderline-dot-matrix printer. Cheers, MS___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
Hello From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On Behalf Of m...@apollinemike.com Sent: 31 March 2011 12:25 To: Jan-Peter Voigt Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist Subject: Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Jan-Peter Voigt wrote: Hello List, I installed Mac OSX 10.6.7 and now am unable to print my beautiful sheets from my mac! It seems to be related to a font problem in the last security update: http://www.tidbits.com/article/12078 Luckily I work on Ubuntu and can print from there ... Sorry for this off topic message, but I know, there are a lot mac users in this community ;-) Cheers, Jan-Peter I have the same problem. A solution proposed on the French list is downloading Skim (http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ ), although I have not managed to get that working either with my borderline-dot-matrix printer. Cheers, MS -- I have also installed 10.6.7 and have not noticed anything - I've just printed out a full score of 15 parts. It does say in the link above These PDF files work correctly in Preview, but may cause problems in Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat on the Mac and in Windows.) So is this a problem with Acrobat and Preview works ok? James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
I have also installed 10.6.7 and have not noticed anything -- I've just printed out a full score of 15 parts. It does say in the link above These PDF files work correctly in Preview, but may cause problems in Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat on the Mac and in Windows.) So is this a problem with Acrobat and Preview works ok? James No, the problem occurs in preview, but in skim it seems to work :-) Jan-Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
Hello From: Jan-Peter Voigt [mailto:jp.vo...@gmx.de] Sent: 31 March 2011 12:50 To: James Lowe Cc: m...@apollinemike.com; lilypond-user Mailinglist Subject: Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs I have also installed 10.6.7 and have not noticed anything - I've just printed out a full score of 15 parts. It does say in the link above These PDF files work correctly in Preview, but may cause problems in Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat on the Mac and in Windows.) So is this a problem with Acrobat and Preview works ok? James No, the problem occurs in preview, but in skim it seems to work :-) Jan-Peter Hmmm.. well all I can say is 'worksforme'. I don't know much about the different types of fonts (OTF vs TT vs PS1 etc) but is our Emmentaler font or a subset of it supposedly affected by this with regard to that link? I did notice that occasionally that when I use the explicit \flat command that glyph 'sometimes' doesn't print out but I've always had that as far as I can remember. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
On 31.03.2011 13:56, James Lowe wrote: Hello *From:*Jan-Peter Voigt [mailto:jp.vo...@gmx.de] *Sent:* 31 March 2011 12:50 *To:* James Lowe *Cc:* m...@apollinemike.com; lilypond-user Mailinglist *Subject:* Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs I have also installed 10.6.7 and have not noticed anything -- I've just printed out a full score of 15 parts. It does say in the link above These PDF files work correctly in Preview, but may cause problems in Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat on the Mac and in Windows.) So is this a problem with Acrobat and Preview works ok? James No, the problem occurs in preview, but in skim it seems to work :-) Jan-Peter Hmmm.. well all I can say is 'worksforme'. I don't know much about the different types of fonts (OTF vs TT vs PS1 etc) but is our Emmentaler font or a subset of it supposedly affected by this with regard to that link? I did notice that occasionally that when I use the explicit \flat command that glyph 'sometimes' doesn't print out but I've always had that as far as I can remember. James well, saying its related to 10.6.7 is just relying on the fact, that my PDFs doesn't print correctly ... on an HP inkjet (in case its a difference to a laser/postscript capable printer) ... since I installed 10.6.7. And reinstalling printerdrivers doesn't make a difference. I will investigate further and print with ubuntu and/or skim for now (thanks to mike for that hint) Cheers, Jan-Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. ~Chris - -- Chris Maden, text nerd URL: http://crism.maden.org/ “Those in power write the history, while those who suffer write the songs.” — Frank Harte GnuPG Fingerprint: C6E4 E2A9 C9F8 71AC 9724 CAA3 19F8 6677 0077 C319 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2UgasACgkQGfhmdwB3wxmkjQCeIVfWWrINrLM8aH1SD9I84R35 y4AAoKvciBln0o/STvo2QyjnVasMGJsY =hHSw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
My first thought is that it's the 21st century and you don't need an uncooperative music publisher any more. Especially one using software that results in mediocre looking engraved music. On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Frauke Jurgensen wrote: Good question. I suspect I will be having a similar problem in the future...at the moment, I was thinking of using Sibelius's built-in OMR to try to convert a pdf. Anyone know of a better way? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
My first thought is that it's the 21st century and you don't need an uncooperative music publisher any more. Especially one using software that results in mediocre looking engraved music. +1 =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Absurd thing to do
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. A few comments: 1. I don't think there's anything absurd about wanting to generate MusicXML output. IMO, it's seriously needed by anyone who want to collaborate with other composers. I work almost 100% in LilyPond even though I own a full copy of Finale 2010. LilyPond produces better looking output and, for me anyway, it's far faster to enter any music that has a significant number of articulations and dynamics. OTOH, I was recently working with a very fine arranger to harmonize a song I wrote. She works in Finale only and is not likely to convert to LilyPond anytime soon. So I had to use Finale while we were collaborating and then re-enter the finished composition by hand in LilyPond to get the output quality I wanted. 2. In the same vein, Finale's midi creation and playback capabilities are currently very far ahead of LilyPond. However, I can't easily avail myself of them because so much is lost trying to import LilyPond midi output to Finale. OTOH Finale does a very good job of importing MusicXML and generating midi from that. 3. MuseScore looks very promising as a free GUI and it can output .ly xml2ly but can't go the other way. 4. I realize it's a difficult problem. From what I think I understand from Reinhold K's prior work, successful translation requires more than syntax mapping from .ly to .xml -- there are also semantic differences, ie. LilyPond expresses more of the musical intent than MusicXML. Hence it's unlikely that a musicxml2ly program can do the job without re-creating all of Lily's internal logic. 5. Apparently Reinhold, Han-Wen, and others came to the conclusion that the right way to go involves creating an additional backend for LilyPond to generate the MusicXML. However, as discussed in the thread linked below, it seems as though such a backend would have to access at least two different stages in the processing chain. http://old.nabble.com/MusicXML-backend-for-lilypond--td17957920.html I'd be willing to help out -- in whatever small way I can -- if someone wants to revive the effort. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: .sh install
Again, please reply to all so that everyone is aware. 2011/3/31 Friedrich Fischer fried.fisc...@gmail.com: 2011/3/31 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com Replying to the list to keep the thread there. 2011/3/31 Friedrich Fischer fried.fisc...@gmail.com: Am 31.03.2011 10:56, schrieb Francisco Vila: 2011/3/31 Friedrich Fischer fried.fisc...@gmail.com: Because of the faster lilypond compilation I prefer puppy-linux. But since the version 2.13.42 I cannot install lilypond anymore. As far as version 2.13.41 everything worked perfectly. Message in terminal: Untarring lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file tar: Child died with signal 13 tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors Regards ff It looks that your download failed. Please try downloading it again, then tell us. Also test 2.13.55 or 2.13.54. Remember to uninstall older installed versions first. Dear Mr. Vila, Thank you for your reply. I have tried all these versions without success: 2.13.42 – 2.13.56 Repeated downloads also. (Only in Puppy Linux, no problem e.g. in PCLinuxOS) I see. So you can install in PCLinuxOS the files downloaded from Puppy Linux, right? just to be absolutely sure. Please tell me if you did this. I strongly suspect that it's not the program installs in one system and fails in another, it's the download itself which fails. You can test the compressed package. Do # sh lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh --tarball and then bunzip2 -tvv lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2 Then post output here. # sh lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh --tarball lilypond installer for version 2.13.56 release 1, i686 build. For a list of options, abort (^C) Oops, the --tarball option is not working. Please test the same with the very same file on your other system. then do: sh lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh --help extracting lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2 tail: short write # bunzip2 -tvv lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2 lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2: file ends unexpectedly I am not sure if the installer includes bunzip inside it. It is still possible that bunzip in your system is old or faulty. Please bunzip2 -V -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:21:09 +0200 From: Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de Subject: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs To: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org Message-ID: 4d9463a5.1000...@gmx.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello List, I installed Mac OSX 10.6.7 and now am unable to print my beautiful sheets from my mac! It seems to be related to a font problem in the last security update: http://www.tidbits.com/article/12078 Luckily I work on Ubuntu and can print from there ... Sorry for this off topic message, but I know, there are a lot mac users in this community ;-) Cheers, Jan-Peter I also have this problem with Preview 5.0.3 under OSX 10.6.7. Missing are noteheads, repeats, rests, accidentals, articulations. All that's left is staves, stems, beams, and slurs, for the most part. Regards, Pat Karl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
no natural sign when clef changes
Dear all,
IMHO there should be a natural sign showing the f' after the
clef-change: am I wrong?
music = \relative c' {
c8 d e fis
c d e f
c8 d e fis
\clef alto c d e f
}
\score {
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'modern-cautionary 'Staff)
\music
}
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'default 'Staff)
\music
}
}
Regards,
Bernhard
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Re: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs
hello, James. On 31 Mar 2011, at 22:08, Patrick Karl pck...@mac.com wrote: Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:21:09 +0200 From: Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de Subject: problem with OS X 10.6.7 and Lily-PDFs To: lilypond-user Mailinglist lilypond-user@gnu.org Message-ID: 4d9463a5.1000...@gmx.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello List, I installed Mac OSX 10.6.7 and now am unable to print my beautiful sheets from my mac! It seems to be related to a font problem in the last security update: http://www.tidbits.com/article/12078 Luckily I work on Ubuntu and can print from there ... Sorry for this off topic message, but I know, there are a lot mac users in this community ;-) Cheers, Jan-Peter I also have this problem with Preview 5.0.3 under OSX 10.6.7. Missing are noteheads, repeats, rests, accidentals, articulations. All that's left is staves, stems, beams, and slurs, for the most part. well you could try the following. 1. close all apps 2. open terminal.app 3. now type atsutil databases -removeUser hit return then type atsutil server -shutdown then hit return now type atsutil server -ping This restarts the ats server and rebuilds the font cache. I suggest a reboot for good measure. See if that helps. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: no natural sign when clef changes
hello
James.
On 31 Mar 2011, at 22:25, Bernhard Ott bernhard@gmx.net wrote:
Dear all,
IMHO there should be a natural sign showing the f' after the clef-change: am
I wrong?
music = \relative c' {
c8 d e fis
c d e f
c8 d e fis
\clef alto c d e f
}
\score {
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'modern-cautionary 'Staff)
\music
}
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'default 'Staff)
\music
}
}
hmmm...my Read says nothing but Stone says
If a clef changes within a measure and the same note occurs before and after
the clef change, the accidental must be repeated.
However were this f an octave higher I'd say no natural (cancellation) is
needed. So is this pitch being judged as higher just because it is 'higher' in
the staff or is it really an octave higher? Otherwise it ought to have a
natural by default.
That's my rather on the fence take :)
James
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Re: no natural sign when clef changes
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM, James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com wrote:
hello
James.
On 31 Mar 2011, at 22:25, Bernhard Ott bernhard@gmx.net wrote:
Dear all,
IMHO there should be a natural sign showing the f' after the clef-change: am
I wrong?
music = \relative c' {
c8 d e fis
c d e f
c8 d e fis
\clef alto c d e f
}
\score {
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'modern-cautionary 'Staff)
\music
}
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'default 'Staff)
\music
}
}
hmmm...my Read says nothing but Stone says
If a clef changes within a measure and the same note occurs before and after
the clef change, the accidental must be repeated.
However were this f an octave higher I'd say no natural (cancellation) is
needed. So is this pitch being judged as higher just because it is 'higher'
in the staff or is it really an octave higher? Otherwise it ought to have a
natural by default.
That's my rather on the fence take :)
Don't C-clefs always indicate middle-C? Hence the F is the same pitch, right?
Cheers,
Mike
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Re: .sh install
Again, please, remember to reply to all so that the community can help/beneficiate (Unless it poses a problem for you) 2011/3/31 Friedrich Fischer fried.fisc...@gmail.com: On 03/31/2011 07:41 PM, Francisco Vila wrote: Again, please reply to all so that everyone is aware. 2011/3/31 Francisco Vilapaconet@gmail.com Replying to the list to keep the thread there. Am 31.03.2011 10:56, schrieb Francisco Vila: I am not sure if the installer includes bunzip inside it. It is still possible that bunzip in your system is old or faulty. Please bunzip2 -V PCLinuxOS: [friedrich@localhost ~]$ sh lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh --tarball lilypond installer for version 2.13.56 release 1, i686 build. For a list of options, abort (^C) then do: sh lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.sh --help extracting lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2 [friedrich@localhost ~]$ bunzip2 -tvv lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2 lilypond-2.13.56-1.linux-x86.tar.bz2: [1: huff+mtf rt+rld] Is this the file you downloaded from Puppy Linux? Please clarify! [66: huff+mtf rt+rld] ok The same with version 2.13.41 in Puppy! This is useless. We already knew 2.13.41 worked in Puppy. What I need to know is whether a version that fails in Puppy can be successfully extracted in your alternate system. Test it by downloading it there where it fails, copying it to there where it usually succeeds. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: no natural sign when clef changes
On 01.04.2011 00:16, Michael Ellis wrote:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM, James Lowejames.l...@datacore.com wrote:
hello
James.
On 31 Mar 2011, at 22:25, Bernhard Ottbernhard@gmx.net wrote:
Dear all,
IMHO there should be a natural sign showing the f' after the clef-change: am I
wrong?
music = \relative c' {
c8 d e fis
c d e f
c8 d e fis
\clef alto c d e f
}
\score {
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'modern-cautionary 'Staff)
\music
}
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'default 'Staff)
\music
}
}
hmmm...my Read says nothing but Stone says
If a clef changes within a measure and the same note occurs before and after the
clef change, the accidental must be repeated.
However were this f an octave higher I'd say no natural (cancellation) is
needed. So is this pitch being judged as higher just because it is 'higher' in
the staff or is it really an octave higher? Otherwise it ought to have a
natural by default.
That's my rather on the fence take :)
Don't C-clefs always indicate middle-C? Hence the F is the same pitch, right?
Cheers,
Mike
You are perfectly right - it's the same pitch :-)
Bernhard
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Re: Absurd thing to do
Well it looks like the short answer is that it is a non trivial procedure, but possibly not that difficult. I do not think anyone should work on the xml backend on my account. i can certainly live with out it. Shane As a side note finding a publisher has been a lengthy process that has as of yet yielded no contracts. The last effort was the first time I had an editor respond with any enthusiasm, but he unfortunately was working for a subsidiary that dealt in a different specific genre. My pieces are all either good Lutheran organ music, as Proff. Boe once said, if that makes any sense, or piano works that are clearly inspired by the later romantic era. Anyway it doesn't matter i will keep scribbling. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Christopher R. Maden cr...@maden.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/2011 12:30 AM, Shane Brandes wrote: Does anyone have any experience converting lilypond to finale type files? I only ask this because I have had a run in with a publisher who thinks it would be too much work as all their output is from that app and all mine is now on lilypond. I gave him a pretty good lecture on the awesome nature of Lilypond, but to no avail. Not that it would change our other argument (I am an obsolete composer), but I want to at least abolish that one if possible. I suspect it is possible to run a .ly into an .xml and then import it somehow but have not had the opportunity to try it out myself. Nor do I really want to. I can’t say for certain, but converting text formats is what I do, so I may be able to help. I’m not familiar with the Finale XML format, but if you can send me a sample or a specification, I’ll see what I can do. A few comments: 1. I don't think there's anything absurd about wanting to generate MusicXML output. IMO, it's seriously needed by anyone who want to collaborate with other composers. I work almost 100% in LilyPond even though I own a full copy of Finale 2010. LilyPond produces better looking output and, for me anyway, it's far faster to enter any music that has a significant number of articulations and dynamics. OTOH, I was recently working with a very fine arranger to harmonize a song I wrote. She works in Finale only and is not likely to convert to LilyPond anytime soon. So I had to use Finale while we were collaborating and then re-enter the finished composition by hand in LilyPond to get the output quality I wanted. 2. In the same vein, Finale's midi creation and playback capabilities are currently very far ahead of LilyPond. However, I can't easily avail myself of them because so much is lost trying to import LilyPond midi output to Finale. OTOH Finale does a very good job of importing MusicXML and generating midi from that. 3. MuseScore looks very promising as a free GUI and it can output .ly xml2ly but can't go the other way. 4. I realize it's a difficult problem. From what I think I understand from Reinhold K's prior work, successful translation requires more than syntax mapping from .ly to .xml -- there are also semantic differences, ie. LilyPond expresses more of the musical intent than MusicXML. Hence it's unlikely that a musicxml2ly program can do the job without re-creating all of Lily's internal logic. 5. Apparently Reinhold, Han-Wen, and others came to the conclusion that the right way to go involves creating an additional backend for LilyPond to generate the MusicXML. However, as discussed in the thread linked below, it seems as though such a backend would have to access at least two different stages in the processing chain. http://old.nabble.com/MusicXML-backend-for-lilypond--td17957920.html I'd be willing to help out -- in whatever small way I can -- if someone wants to revive the effort. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: numbered rests in parts
On 30.03.2011 17:36, James Lowe wrote: Hello, )-Original Message- )From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org )[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On )Behalf Of Bernhard Ott )Sent: 30 March 2011 15:50 )To: LilyPond-User list )Subject: numbered rests in parts ) )Hi again, )I wonder if there is an automated way to produce numbered full-measure )rests like shown in the attachment? )R1^\markup 1 does not come in too handy when setting parts for )percussion with loads of rests. There is this http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=473 James Thank you very much - I can't help feeling stupid that I didn't find it myself! Cheers, Bernhard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fwd: no natural sign when clef changes
Begin forwarded message:
From: Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.netmailto:sh...@grayskies.net
Date: 31 March 2011 23:18:35 GMT+01:00
To: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.commailto:james.l...@datacore.com
Subject: Re: no natural sign when clef changes
The terminal f if natural requires a natural sign regardless of that
clef change. Other wise, and being the same pitch as the previous
instance it will perforce have the weight of a sharped note. Probably
not the most common thing to see, but there you are. Remember it is
always better to over inform than confuse, but here it is just a
normal cancellation.
Shane
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM, James Lowe
james.l...@datacore.commailto:james.l...@datacore.com wrote:
hello
James.
On 31 Mar 2011, at 22:25, Bernhard Ott
bernhard@gmx.netmailto:bernhard@gmx.net wrote:
Dear all,
IMHO there should be a natural sign showing the f' after the clef-change: am I
wrong?
music = \relative c' {
c8 d e fis
c d e f
c8 d e fis
\clef alto c d e f
}
\score {
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'modern-cautionary 'Staff)
\music
}
{ \new Staff #(set-accidental-style 'default 'Staff)
\music
}
}
hmmm...my Read says nothing but Stone says
If a clef changes within a measure and the same note occurs before and after
the clef change, the accidental must be repeated.
However were this f an octave higher I'd say no natural (cancellation) is
needed. So is this pitch being judged as higher just because it is 'higher' in
the staff or is it really an octave higher? Otherwise it ought to have a
natural by default.
That's my rather on the fence take :)
James
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Major version: LilyPond 2.14.0 released!
GLASGOW, Scotland -- April 1, 2011 -- The LilyPond development team is proud to announce LilyPond 2.14, the latest stable release of our award-winning music engraver. Music notation for everyone has never looked better! http://lilypond.org Following the open-source motto of release early, release often, we are making 2.14 available now. There are still a few regression bugs compared to 2.12, but we urge everybody to download 2.14.0 from the lilypond website when it becomes available and use it in their production systems. Let us know if anything doesn't work; we love getting feedback! We have introduced a new bug voting system on our website to allow us to better direct programmer effort: http://lilypond.org/website/bug-reports.html Other major new features include: * eyeglass markup, to remind musicians to watch the conductor at critical moments. * in tablature, frets can be indicated with colored letters instead of numbers. * The Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm is now fully supported for single-line markup due to enhanced integration with Pango, and we now use FT_Error in the prototype for freetype_error_string(). * 128th note downstems are now 0.15 staff-spaces shorter. The full list of new features is online here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/changes/index.html Having music engraving! Mike Solomon - Beaming, feathers, guy with no fear Janek Warchol - Upsteam, downstem, flags, feta-er David Kastrup - Keeping us honest by questioning Phil Holmes - Bug Meister, build system quester Benko Pal - Mensural notation, tonal inversion Ian Hulin - Guile 2.0 future portability guru Keith OHara - Fantastic regression bug fixer Neil Puttock - Core development, LSR import Xavier Scheuer - French stuffs, cautionary Patrick McCarty - SVG guru, texts handler Yoshiki Sawada - Japanese doc translator Nicolas Sceaux - Schemer extraordinaire Reinhold Kainhofer - musicxml2ly bloke Werner Lemberg - Fonts, bugz squasher Jan Nieuwenhuizen - Core development Han-Wen Nienhuys - Core development John Mandereau - Translation swain Trevor Daniels - Asst. doc editor Jonathan Kulp - Asst. doc editor Mark Polesky - Code cleanup-er Mats Bengtsson - Support guru Valentin Villenave - Web 2.0 Carl Sorensen - Frog master Francisco Vila - ES writer Joe Neeman - Spacing guru Dmytro O. Redchuk - Bugs James Lowe - Doc gopher Colin Campbell - Ditto Marc Hohl - Bug nuker Graham Percival - me -- This email is best viewed with a fixed-width font in a screen size of 80x25 characters. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Major version: LilyPond 2.14.0 released!
Nice one, Graham! Did you forget to mention newly implemented automatic display of one-ee-and-a-two-ee-and-a under 16th notes for ease in counting? Jon On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: GLASGOW, Scotland -- April 1, 2011 -- The LilyPond development team is proud to announce LilyPond 2.14, the latest stable release of our award-winning music engraver. Music notation for everyone has never looked better! http://lilypond.org Following the open-source motto of release early, release often, we are making 2.14 available now. There are still a few regression bugs compared to 2.12, but we urge everybody to download 2.14.0 from the lilypond website when it becomes available and use it in their production systems. Let us know if anything doesn't work; we love getting feedback! We have introduced a new bug voting system on our website to allow us to better direct programmer effort: http://lilypond.org/website/bug-reports.html Other major new features include: * eyeglass markup, to remind musicians to watch the conductor at critical moments. * in tablature, frets can be indicated with colored letters instead of numbers. * The Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm is now fully supported for single-line markup due to enhanced integration with Pango, and we now use FT_Error in the prototype for freetype_error_string(). * 128th note downstems are now 0.15 staff-spaces shorter. The full list of new features is online here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/changes/index.html Having music engraving! Mike Solomon - Beaming, feathers, guy with no fear Janek Warchol - Upsteam, downstem, flags, feta-er David Kastrup - Keeping us honest by questioning Phil Holmes - Bug Meister, build system quester Benko Pal - Mensural notation, tonal inversion Ian Hulin - Guile 2.0 future portability guru Keith OHara - Fantastic regression bug fixer Neil Puttock - Core development, LSR import Xavier Scheuer - French stuffs, cautionary Patrick McCarty - SVG guru, texts handler Yoshiki Sawada - Japanese doc translator Nicolas Sceaux - Schemer extraordinaire Reinhold Kainhofer - musicxml2ly bloke Werner Lemberg - Fonts, bugz squasher Jan Nieuwenhuizen - Core development Han-Wen Nienhuys - Core development John Mandereau - Translation swain Trevor Daniels - Asst. doc editor Jonathan Kulp - Asst. doc editor Mark Polesky - Code cleanup-er Mats Bengtsson - Support guru Valentin Villenave - Web 2.0 Carl Sorensen - Frog master Francisco Vila - ES writer Joe Neeman - Spacing guru Dmytro O. Redchuk - Bugs James Lowe - Doc gopher Colin Campbell - Ditto Marc Hohl - Bug nuker Graham Percival - me -- This email is best viewed with a fixed-width font in a screen size of 80x25 characters. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Major version: LilyPond 2.14.0 released!
Oh bloody mao. It's only been out for 2 hours, and you already found a regression in Emoticon_engraver?! sigh. ... well, it's too late to cancel the release, so I guess we'll go down on record as having the fastest Critical bugfix by releasing 2.14.1 Really Soon Now (tm). I've just pushed a fix for the :-/ issue, so now we just need to wait for a few hours until my desktop finished building all the binaries and docs again. Cheers, - Graham On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:57:00PM -0400, Mike Solomon wrote: I just took 2.14 for a spin - congrats to the development team! The only bug I found crops up with the Emoticon_engraver added automatically in engravers-init.ly. I like the way my scores look with it, but I see that the note order has been hardcoded with a comment from Graham: % This is what my face looks like when I think about writing my dissertation, crotchet=240. Worse yet, when one tries to remove this engraver, lily issues the following warning: :-/ before refusing to compile. However, I believe that these are minor inconveniences and look forward to using 2.14 to redo all of my scores with light bulbs and toothy grins! Cheers, MS On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Nice one, Graham! Did you forget to mention newly implemented automatic display of one-ee-and-a-two-ee-and-a under 16th notes for ease in counting? Jon On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: GLASGOW, Scotland -- April 1, 2011 -- The LilyPond development team is proud to announce LilyPond 2.14, the latest stable release of our award-winning music engraver. Music notation for everyone has never looked better! http://lilypond.org Following the open-source motto of release early, release often, we are making 2.14 available now. There are still a few regression bugs compared to 2.12, but we urge everybody to download 2.14.0 from the lilypond website when it becomes available and use it in their production systems. Let us know if anything doesn't work; we love getting feedback! We have introduced a new bug voting system on our website to allow us to better direct programmer effort: http://lilypond.org/website/bug-reports.html Other major new features include: * eyeglass markup, to remind musicians to watch the conductor at critical moments. * in tablature, frets can be indicated with colored letters instead of numbers. * The Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm is now fully supported for single-line markup due to enhanced integration with Pango, and we now use FT_Error in the prototype for freetype_error_string(). * 128th note downstems are now 0.15 staff-spaces shorter. The full list of new features is online here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/changes/index.html Having music engraving! Mike Solomon - Beaming, feathers, guy with no fear Janek Warchol - Upsteam, downstem, flags, feta-er David Kastrup - Keeping us honest by questioning Phil Holmes - Bug Meister, build system quester Benko Pal - Mensural notation, tonal inversion Ian Hulin - Guile 2.0 future portability guru Keith OHara - Fantastic regression bug fixer Neil Puttock - Core development, LSR import Xavier Scheuer - French stuffs, cautionary Patrick McCarty - SVG guru, texts handler Yoshiki Sawada - Japanese doc translator Nicolas Sceaux - Schemer extraordinaire Reinhold Kainhofer - musicxml2ly bloke Werner Lemberg - Fonts, bugz squasher Jan Nieuwenhuizen - Core development Han-Wen Nienhuys - Core development John Mandereau - Translation swain Trevor Daniels - Asst. doc editor Jonathan Kulp - Asst. doc editor Mark Polesky - Code cleanup-er Mats Bengtsson - Support guru Valentin Villenave - Web 2.0 Carl Sorensen - Frog master Francisco Vila - ES writer Joe Neeman - Spacing guru Dmytro O. Redchuk - Bugs James Lowe - Doc gopher Colin Campbell - Ditto Marc Hohl - Bug nuker Graham Percival - me -- This email is best viewed with a fixed-width font in a screen size of 80x25 characters. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Major version: LilyPond 2.14.0 released!
GLASGOW, Scotland -- April 1, 2011 -- The LilyPond development team is proud to announce LilyPond 2.14, the latest stable release of our award-winning music engraver. Graham, thanks a lot for all of your efforts! Werner PS: I can't see a 2.14 tag in `origin/master', and `origin/stable/2.14' looks out of date. Is this intentional? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
