Re: Elysium broken link

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017, Brian Barker wrote:


At 01:08 31/03/2017 +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
I found this (broken?) link on 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/easier-editing


So what happened to this Elysium website?


You might want contact its author; see http://thsoft.hu/en/Contact/ .

Doesn't https://github.com/thSoft/elysium have what you need?


Yes, I can find the files. But was hoping to find some background 
information. And the broken link in the Lilypond documentation should be 
reported to the buglist I guess?


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Re: Elysium broken link

[Brian Barker]

At 01:08 31/03/2017 +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
Searching for Esysium, (LilyPond IDE for Eclips), I'm getting a 404 
on the link http://elysium.thsoft.hu/


I found this (broken?) link on 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/easier-editing


So what happened to this Elysium website?


You might want contact its author; see http://thsoft.hu/en/Contact/ .

Doesn't https://github.com/thSoft/elysium have what you need?

Brian Barker  



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Elysium broken link

[Martin Tarenskeen]

Searching for Esysium, ( LilyPond IDE for Eclips), I'm getting a 404 on
the link http://elysium.thsoft.hu/

I found this (broken?) link on 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/web/easier-editing



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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

Just maybe to the wings of a butterfly. I got what I would (not at the best)
by using Abraham suggestion.



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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Jeffery Shivers]

Who in the world is this addressed to?

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Son_V  wrote:
> Hi, I've tried to use your solution, bu I didn't got a good file; if I send
> it to you, may you work on it to obtain what I would?
> Thanks.

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RE: Re: Parallel Square Premusic

[have]

Michael, and everyone else that is interested, I have begun a thread on 
musicnotation.org's forum to discuss my format in a more relevant place, 
complete with links to documentation.
 
My apologies for any disruption the earlier discussion may have caused.
 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: Parallel Square Premusic
From: "Michael Gerdau" 
Date: 3/22/17 4:42 pm
To: have@anti.capital

> In what file format, with what program, should I write this description?
 > Is there something you can link me to to emulate?
 
 You would write that as a simple text file or a document in any text
 processor as you see fit. Use plain ASCII and the editor of your choice
 or Word or LibreOffice or whatever you like (anything else along that line).
 
 The precise format is of little to no concern.
 
 The content is.
 
 It should be in such a way that other people, e.g. someone like me,
 would be able to
 - translate any given file using your format into sheet music
 - translate any given sheet music into your format
 
 Preferably both translations should be unambigous.
 
 Such a description is sometimes called a grammar (of the underlying
 language) or a language specification (depending on the exact scope) and
 sometimes you need both. It is hard to tell with the knowledge I
 currently have about your stuff.
 
 Kind regards,
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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

Hi, I've tried to use your solution, bu I didn't got a good file; if I send
it to you, may you work on it to obtain what I would?
Thanks.



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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

Sorry I would have answered to another person. Excuse me.



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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Thomas Morley]

2017-03-30 22:51 GMT+02:00 Son_V :
> Hi, I've tried to use your solution, bu I didn't got a working file; if I
> send it to you, may you work on it to obtain what I would?


Hi,

first, please make clear whom you adress. You likely mean me, at least
I think so.

And no, I'll not work on your file, but we could discuss the method
how you could integrate a suggestion you received into your file.

But we should agree _which_ suggestion you want to test. I posted four
different ones.
Which of them?

Cheers,
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Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Devon LePage]

Jacques—

Personally, I would prefer to have a line-breaking script that works
directly on the LilyPond code. Although solving the messy XML import
problem is priority right now, my wish is to eventually have a more complex
“reformat” script.

I will send you the file in a private email.

-Devon.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jacques Menu Muzhic 
wrote:

Hello Devon,

Can you send me one those XML files privately? I’d like to perform some
experiments.

Thanks!

Le 30 mars 2017 à 21:48, m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl a écrit :



Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon


 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?
Van: m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl
Aan: Devon LePage
Cc:


Maybe an alternative option is to write a python script to manipulate the
musicxml code, befóre feeding it to musicxml2ly?

After that such code might be useful to improve musicxml2ly in the future?

Just a thought.

Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon


 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?
Van: Devon LePage
Aan: Urs Liska ,lilypond-user@gnu.org
Cc:


Rémy—

Whenever I use musicxml2ly on a MusicXML file generated by Smart Score X2,
I get LilyPond code that looks something like this:

{
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4
g2 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8
b8 \times 2/3 {
a8 b8 c8
}
}

I would like to create a Python script that would reformat the code to look
like this:

{
a4 b4 c4 d4 |
e4 f4 g2 |
g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 \times 2/3 { a8 b8 c8 } |
}

Please see my response to Urs for more information and more examples of
“messy” code generated by musicxml2ly.

-Devon.


On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:20 AM Devon LePage  wrote:

Urs—

Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:

https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113e
https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059c

These are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated to
my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in
Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:

—there is not a bar-check after every measure
—bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within
the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but
then not another until bar 105!)
—sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected
bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random
—the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a
line of code
—tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines
—inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the
final one in the 2nd gist)

-Devon.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  wrote:



Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon LePage:

I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music
into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed
in Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)

Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to
read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on
each indented line.

Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been
trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this.
Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it
myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I
might be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many
moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring out how to add a
newline in the middle of a small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to
incorporate tuplets into the determination of a measure.

I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be
able to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a
second newline after every group of N-measures.)

At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction:
what do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go
about doing this?


I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every measure.
So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line breaks, without
actually going down the road of analyzing the content.

But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so I
don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that "messy"
LilyPond code?

Urs



Thanks,
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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

Hi, I've tried to use your solution, bu I didn't got a working file; if I
send it to you, may you work on it to obtain what I would?



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Re: Repeat slur?

[Hendrik Fuß]

Excellent, \extendLV works for me. Many thanks!

cheers,
Hendrik




Thomas Morley  schrieb am Do., 30. März 2017 um
10:41 Uhr:

> 2017-03-30 10:02 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard :
>
> > Better, using laissezVibrer in combination with the nifty \extendLV
> function
> > (from Thomas Morely if I recall).
>
> Well, I uploaded
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=794
> to demonstrate usage of LaissezVibrerTie in alternatives, but
> 'extendLV' itself  is taken from
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=715
> Originally written by Robin Bannister.
>
> Cheers,
>   Harm
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Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Jacques Menu Muzhic]

Hello Devon,

Can you send me one those XML files privately? I’d like to perform some 
experiments.

Thanks!

> Le 30 mars 2017 à 21:48, m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon
> 
> 
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?
> Van: m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl
> Aan: Devon LePage 
> Cc: 
> 
> 
> Maybe an alternative option is to write a python script to manipulate the 
> musicxml code, befóre feeding it to musicxml2ly?
> 
> After that such code might be useful to improve musicxml2ly in the future?
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon
> 
> 
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?
> Van: Devon LePage 
> Aan: Urs Liska ,lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc: 
> 
> 
> Rémy—
> 
> Whenever I use musicxml2ly on a MusicXML file generated by Smart Score X2, I 
> get LilyPond code that looks something like this:
> 
> {
> a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4
> g2 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8
> b8 \times 2/3 {
> a8 b8 c8
> }
> }
> 
> I would like to create a Python script that would reformat the code to look 
> like this:
> 
> {
> a4 b4 c4 d4 |
> e4 f4 g2 |
> g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 \times 2/3 { a8 b8 c8 } |
> }
> 
> Please see my response to Urs for more information and more examples of 
> “messy” code generated by musicxml2ly.
> 
> -Devon.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:20 AM Devon LePage  > wrote:
> Urs—
> 
> Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:
> 
> https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113e 
> 
> https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059c 
> 
> 
> These are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated to 
> my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in 
> Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:
> 
> —there is not a bar-check after every measure
> —bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within 
> the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but 
> then not another until bar 105!)
> —sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected 
> bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random
> —the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a 
> line of code
> —tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines
> —inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the final 
> one in the 2nd gist)
> 
> -Devon.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon LePage:
>> I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music 
>> into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed in 
>> Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to 
>> read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on 
>> each indented line.
>> 
>> Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been 
>> trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this. 
>> Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it 
>> myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I 
>> might be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many 
>> moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring out how to add a 
>> newline in the middle of a small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to 
>> incorporate tuplets into the determination of a measure.
>> 
>> I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be able 
>> to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a 
>> second newline after every group of N-measures.)
>> 
>> At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction: what 
>> do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go about 
>> doing this?
> 
> I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
> But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every measure. So 
> you can simply use *these* to identify possible line breaks, without actually 
> going down the road of analyzing the content.
> 
> But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so I don't 
> see your problem. Could you please share some of that "messy" LilyPond code?
> 
> Urs
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Devon.
>> 
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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Thomas Morley]

2017-03-30 20:43 GMT+02:00 Son_V :
> Hi,
> if the field in "poet = " is too long, the words mix over the words of the
> field "composer = ".
>
> How can I get rid of this? Thanks.

The default bookTitleMarkup (see titling-init.ly) prints poet and
composer in one line.

Basically like: \markup fill-line { "poet" "composer" }

Thus, long words/expressions collide:

\markup \fill-line {
"long"
"looger"
}


You have several possibilities to tackle this:
(1) Break the expressions in two or more lines as suggested by Abraham
(2) Try a smaller fontsize

\header {
  title = "Jesu Rex admirabilis"
  poet = \markup \fontsize #-1 "Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607) - dal
'Diletto Spirituale'"
  composer = \markup \fontsize #-1 "Attrib. Giovanni Pierluigi da
Palestrina (1525 ca. – 1594)"

  tagline = "24 marzo 2017"
}

\markup \null

(3) Try a narrow font

\header {
  title = "Jesu Rex admirabilis"
  poet =
\markup
  \override #'(font-name . "Times New Roman,")
  "Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607) - dal 'Diletto Spirituale'"
  composer =
\markup
  \override #'(font-name . "Times New Roman,")
  "Attrib. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (1525 ca. – 1594)"

  tagline = "24 marzo 2017"
}

\markup \null

(4) Redefine bookTitleMarkup

myBookTitleMarkup =\markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
\column {
  \fill-line { \fromproperty #'header:dedication }
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
  \column {
\fill-line {
  \huge \larger \larger \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:title
}
\fill-line {
  \large \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:subtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \smaller \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:subsubtitle
}
%% changed from here
\fill-line {
  \large \bold \fromproperty #'header:instrument
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:poet
  \null
}
\fill-line {
  \null
  \fromproperty #'header:composer
}
%% until here
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:meter
  \fromproperty #'header:arranger
}
  }
}
  }

\paper {
  bookTitleMarkup = \myBookTitleMarkup
}

\header {
  title = "Jesu Rex admirabilis"
  poet = "Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607) - dal 'Diletto Spirituale'"
  composer = "Attrib. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (1525 ca. – 1594)"
  instrument = "whatever-instrument/voice"

  tagline = "24 marzo 2017"
}

\markup \null

HTH,
  Harm

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Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?Van: m.tarensk...@zonnet.nlAan: Devon LePage Cc: Maybe an alternative option is to write a python script to manipulate the musicxml code, befóre feeding it to musicxml2ly?After that such code might be useful to improve musicxml2ly in the future?Just a thought.Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon Oorspronkelijk bericht Onderwerp: Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?Van: Devon LePage Aan: Urs Liska ,lilypond-user@gnu.orgCc: Rémy—Whenever I use musicxml2ly on a MusicXML file generated by Smart Score X2, I get LilyPond code that looks something like this:{    a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4    g2 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8    b8 \times 2/3 {        a8 b8 c8    }}I would like to create a Python script that would reformat the code to look like this:{    a4 b4 c4 d4 |    e4 f4 g2 |    g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 \times 2/3 { a8 b8 c8 } |}Please see my response to Urs for more information and more examples of “messy” code generated by musicxml2ly.-Devon.On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:20 AM Devon LePage  wrote:Urs—Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113ehttps://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059cThese are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated to my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:—there is not a bar-check after every measure—bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but then not another until bar 105!)—sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random—the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a line of code—tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines—inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the final one in the 2nd gist)-Devon.On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  wrote:



Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon
  LePage:


  I’m currently working on a project that involves
importing a lot of music into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before
this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed in Smart Score X2, if that
is relevant.)


Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy
  and difficult to read. I'd like to reformat these files so
  that there’s only one measure on each indented line.


Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time,
  so I’ve been trying to create a python script that uses the
  ly.lex package to do this. Has anyone already done this? I
  couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it myself. But after
  four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I might
  be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too
  many moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring
  out how to add a newline in the middle of a small lilypond
  document. I’m also unsure how to incorporate tuplets into the
  determination of a measure.


I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list
  who might be able to help me out? (Another dream would be to
  have a function that adds a second newline after every group
  of N-measures.)


At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the
  right direction: what do I need to read/understand to figure
  this out? How would one go about doing this?
  


I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every
measure. So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line
breaks, without actually going down the road of analyzing the
content.

But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so
I don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that
"messy" LilyPond code?

Urs


  


Thanks,
-Devon.
  
  
  
  
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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[tisimst]

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Son_V [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n201763...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> \header {
>   title = "Jesu Rex admirabilis"
>poet = "Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607) - dal 'Diletto Spirituale'"
>composer = "Attrib. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (1525 ca. – 1594)"
>
>   tagline = "24 marzo 2017"
> }
>
> But even if Frescobaldi says that it has been successfully completed, I
> don't see any pdf output.
>

Why? Because there's no \score or \markup anywhere. A lone \header block
prints nothing, so the file will compile just fine, but there's no output
without other content.

I'd recommend splitting the strings inside a \markup like:

poet = \markup {
  \left-column {
"Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607)"
" - dal 'Diletto Spirituale'"
  }
}

and the same for composer.

HTH,
Abraham




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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

\header {
  title = "Jesu Rex admirabilis"
   poet = "Simone Verovio (1575 – 1607) - dal 'Diletto Spirituale'"
   composer = "Attrib. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (1525 ca. – 1594)"
  
  tagline = "24 marzo 2017" 
}

But even if Frescobaldi says that it has been successfully completed, I
don't see any pdf output.



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Re: Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Jacques Menu Muzhic]

Hello Son,

Can you supply a minimal example?

JM

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> 
> Hi,
> if the field in "poet = " is too long, the words mix over the words of the
> field "composer = ".
> 
> How can I get rid of this? Thanks.
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Conflict with "poet" and "Composer"

[Son_V]

Hi,
if the field in "poet = " is too long, the words mix over the words of the
field "composer = ".

How can I get rid of this? Thanks.



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Re: LSR down?

[Knute Snortum]

Down in Oregon.


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On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Juan Cristóbal Cerrillo <
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> Hello,
>
> Also down in Mexico.
>
> best,
> jc
>
> On Mar 29, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Xavier Scheuer  wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> It is down here (ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT).
> Is it just me (Belgium here), or it is down again?
>
> This raises (again) the question of LSR mirroring, that I asked
> some years ago. Do we have some nice people from lilypond-user
> who have a server and could set up a LSR mirror, so users still
> have access to the nice snippets available on the LSR?
>
> For people interested here is a link to Reinhold's tutorial
> to set up a local LSR mirror.
> http://wiki.kainhofer.com/lilypond/lsr_setup
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-05/msg00371.html
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier
>
>
>
> On 27 March 2017 at 21:25, Thomas Morley  wrote:
> >
> > 2017-03-27 9:24 GMT+02:00 Malte Meyn :
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 27.03.2017 um 02:30 schrieb Andrew Bernard:
> > >> LSR still down as at 0030 UTC here in Australia.
> > >>
> > >> Andrew
> > >
> > > No time zone problems here so http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/
> Snippet?id=1007
> > > shows up correctly but the search gives no results:
> > > http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Search?q=notehead
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I had reported the problem.
> >
> > Seba thinks it's fixed now (for now).
> > My own testings were successful.
> >
> > May I ask for feedback whether it works out there as well?
> >
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Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Devon LePage]

Rémy—

Whenever I use musicxml2ly on a MusicXML file generated by Smart Score X2,
I get LilyPond code that looks something like this:

{
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4
g2 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8
b8 \times 2/3 {
a8 b8 c8
}
}

I would like to create a Python script that would reformat the code to look
like this:

{
a4 b4 c4 d4 |
e4 f4 g2 |
g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 \times 2/3 { a8 b8 c8 } |
}

Please see my response to Urs for more information and more examples of
“messy” code generated by musicxml2ly.

-Devon.


On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:20 AM Devon LePage  wrote:

> Urs—
>
> Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:
>
> https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113e
> https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059c
>
> These are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated
> to my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in
> Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:
>
> —there is not a bar-check after every measure
> —bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within
> the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but
> then not another until bar 105!)
> —sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected
> bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random
> —the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a
> line of code
> —tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines
> —inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the
> final one in the 2nd gist)
>
> -Devon.
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon LePage:
>
> I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music
> into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed
> in Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)
>
> Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to
> read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on
> each indented line.
>
> Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been
> trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this.
> Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it
> myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I
> might be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many
> moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring out how to add a
> newline in the middle of a small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to
> incorporate tuplets into the determination of a measure.
>
> I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be
> able to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a
> second newline after every group of N-measures.)
>
> At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction:
> what do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go
> about doing this?
>
>
> I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
> But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every measure.
> So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line breaks, without
> actually going down the road of analyzing the content.
>
> But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so I
> don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that "messy"
> LilyPond code?
>
> Urs
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Devon.
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Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Devon LePage]

Urs—

Here are 2 gists that contain “messy" excerpts from a MusicXML file:

https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/7b6b373bd4a16aac92eae68f7534113e
https://gist.github.com/devonlepage/6c92575e38f3e6e2bd78d07b35c6059c

These are from a transcription of a John Coltrane performance, unrelated to
my main project. When I use musicxml2ly on any MusicXML files created in
Smart Score X2, I have similar issues. As you can see:

—there is not a bar-check after every measure
—bar-checks occur infrequently and in more-or-less random locations within
the document (in the full document, they occur at bars 62, 65, and 68, but
then not another until bar 105!)
—sometimes bar-checks appear as “\barNumberCheck” followed by the expected
bar number, but these checks also seem to occur at random
—the first notes of a measure do not reliably appear at the beginning of a
line of code
—tuplets are always spaced across 3 lines
—inconsistent whitespace around braces, especially tuplets (look at the
final one in the 2nd gist)

-Devon.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:20 AM Urs Liska  wrote:

>
>
> Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon LePage:
>
> I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music
> into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed
> in Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)
>
> Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to
> read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on
> each indented line.
>
> Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been
> trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this.
> Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it
> myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I
> might be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many
> moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring out how to add a
> newline in the middle of a small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to
> incorporate tuplets into the determination of a measure.
>
> I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be
> able to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a
> second newline after every group of N-measures.)
>
> At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction:
> what do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go
> about doing this?
>
>
> I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
> But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every measure.
> So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line breaks, without
> actually going down the road of analyzing the content.
>
> But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so I
> don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that "messy"
> LilyPond code?
>
> Urs
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Devon.
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Re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Urs Liska]

Am 30.03.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Devon LePage:
> I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of
> music into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned
> and OCR-ed in Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)
>
> Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and
> difficult to read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s
> only one measure on each indented line.
>
> Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been
> trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do
> this. Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I
> tried to do it myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm
> starting to think that I might be too much of a novice to figure this
> out. There are just too many moving parts for me—I’m having a hard
> time just figuring out how to add a newline in the middle of a small
> lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to incorporate tuplets into the
> determination of a measure.
>
> I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might
> be able to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function
> that adds a second newline after every group of N-measures.)
>
> At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right
> direction: what do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How
> would one go about doing this?

I've only tested one random MusicXML file, so I can't fully comment.
But it seems that musicxml2ly generates barchecks ("|") for every
measure. So you can simply use *these* to identify possible line breaks,
without actually going down the road of analyzing the content.

But my converted file actually *did* place one measure in a line, so I
don't see your problem. Could you please share some of that "messy"
LilyPond code?

Urs

>
> Thanks,
> -Devon.
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re: Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Remy CLAVERIE]

Hi Devon,

 

As a Python programmer I could help you, but I did not understand what is the 
job to do...

Could you send me some files and explain with a example what you'ld like ?

 

Thanks a lot

 

Rémy

 

 

 

 

 

> Message du 30/03/17 10:45
> De : "Devon LePage" 
> A : "Lilypond-User Mailing List" 

> Copie à : 
> Objet : Lilypond document reformatting script?
> 
>
I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music into 
LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed in Smart 
Score X2, if that is relevant.)

>
Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to 
read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on each 
indented line.

>
Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been trying 
to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this. Has anyone 
already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it myself. But 
after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I might be too much 
of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many moving parts for me—I’m 
having a hard time just figuring out how to add a newline in the middle of a 
small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to incorporate tuplets into the 
determination of a measure.

>
I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be able to 
help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a second 
newline after every group of N-measures.)

>
At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction: what do 
I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go about doing this?

>
Thanks,
-Devon.




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Lilypond document reformatting script?

[Devon LePage]

I’m currently working on a project that involves importing a lot of music
into LilyPond via MusicXML. (Before this, the music is scanned and OCR-ed
in Smart Score X2, if that is relevant.)

Unfortunately, the resulting LilyPond code is a bit messy and difficult to
read. I'd like to reformat these files so that there’s only one measure on
each indented line.

Doing this by hand takes up a significant amount of time, so I’ve been
trying to create a python script that uses the ly.lex package to do this.
Has anyone already done this? I couldn’t find anything, so I tried to do it
myself. But after four hours of frustration I'm starting to think that I
might be too much of a novice to figure this out. There are just too many
moving parts for me—I’m having a hard time just figuring out how to add a
newline in the middle of a small lilypond document. I’m also unsure how to
incorporate tuplets into the determination of a measure.

I’m wondering if there’s a wizard here on the mailing list who might be
able to help me out? (Another dream would be to have a function that adds a
second newline after every group of N-measures.)

At the very least, maybe someone could point me in the right direction:
what do I need to read/understand to figure this out? How would one go
about doing this?

Thanks,
-Devon.
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Re: Repeat slur?

[Thomas Morley]

2017-03-30 10:02 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard :

> Better, using laissezVibrer in combination with the nifty \extendLV function
> (from Thomas Morely if I recall).

Well, I uploaded
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=794
to demonstrate usage of LaissezVibrerTie in alternatives, but
'extendLV' itself  is taken from
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=715
Originally written by Robin Bannister.

Cheers,
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Re: Repeat slur?

[Rutger Hofman]

On 03/30/2017 09:40 AM, Richard Shann wrote:

On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 07:38 +, Hendrik Fuß wrote:

Dear Jan-Peter and Andrew,


thanks for your feedback. \laissezVibrer comes close, but in the case
of a chord, I get a tie for every note of the chord. So it does not
look like a slur.


{  }

perhaps,

Richard


Or maybe , and for the companion starter, 
?


Rutger


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Re: Open hairpin

[Gerdau, Michael]

Hi Andrew,

> Is there any way to achieve a hairpin with an open end, so rather than
> converging to a single point, the hairpin finishes  prematurely, in effect,
> and vice versa for the other way around? This is useful in some scores I
> need to engrave where the intermediate dynamics are indicated inline with
> the hairpin [f > mf > p, say]. I am aware this could be done with a
> whiteout box, but I am wondering if there is a setting that can be adjusted.

do you mean something like http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=207

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Re: Repeat slur?

[Andrew Bernard]

Hello Hendrik,

Better, using laissezVibrer in combination with the nifty \extendLV
function (from Thomas Morely if I recall). I often use the back shifted
LV's in my music.

Andrew


== snip

\version "2.19.58"

extendLV =
#(define-music-function (parser location further) (number?)
   #{
 \once \override LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
 \once \override LaissezVibrerTie.details.note-head-gap = #(/ further
-2)
 \once \override LaissezVibrerTie.extra-offset = #(cons (/ further 2) 0)
   #})

laissezVibrerTieDashed = {
  \once \override LaissezVibrerTie.dash-definition = #'((0 1 0.5 1.0))
}

{
  c'4 d' e' f'
  \bar "||"
  \extendLV 2
  \once \override LaissezVibrerTie.extra-offset = #'(-3 . 0)
  2 _(
  )
  \extendLV 2
  
  \bar "||"
  c'4 d' e' f'
}

== snip
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Re: Repeat slur?

[Andrew Bernard]

HI Hendrik,

A bit of a hack but produces something close.

Andrew


== snip

\version "2.19.58"

{
  c'4 d' e' f'
  \bar "||"
  \grace { \once \hideNotes g16_( } 2) _(
  ) _(
  \grace { \bar "" \once \hideNotes a16) \bar "|" }
  \bar "||"
  c'4 d' e' f'
}

== snip
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Re: Repeat slur?

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 07:38 +, Hendrik Fuß wrote:
> Dear Jan-Peter and Andrew,
> 
> 
> thanks for your feedback. \laissezVibrer comes close, but in the case
> of a chord, I get a tie for every note of the chord. So it does not
> look like a slur.

{  }

perhaps,

Richard




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Re: Repeat slur?

[Hendrik Fuß]

Dear Jan-Peter and Andrew,

thanks for your feedback. \laissezVibrer comes close, but in the case of a
chord, I get a tie for every note of the chord. So it does not look like a
slur.

@Andrew: Sorry if my example wasn't clear. My intention was to provide a
collection of patterns for accompaniment. My score consists of several
sections, separated by double bars. Each section is meant to be used in an
improvisatory manner and adapted e.g. to a chord sheet. That means, at each
double bar a new piece of music starts. So it's not a regular volta repeat.

Essentially, I need a way to attach a slur to the last note/chord before
the double bar, but without the slur extending across the double bar.
(Additionally, I'd like to do the same at the start of the section, ie a
slur that ends on the first note of a section, but not extending across the
bar line.)

I've attached an image to show what I mean – slurs in red. (Hope this works
on the list.)
[image: repeatslur.png]
cheers
Hendrik


Jan-Peter Voigt  schrieb am Do., 30. März 2017 um
08:32 Uhr:

Hi Hendrik,

do you mean something like the laissezVibrer?

{ \laissezVibrer }

HTH
Jan-Peter

Am 30.03.2017 um 08:14 schrieb Hendrik Fuß:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for something like a "repeat slur".
>
> Background: I'm typesetting a sheet of short repeatable patterns, each
> separated by a double bar line. Some patterns use legato slurs across
> the repeat.
>
> Minimal example:
>
> \score {
> {
> % first pattern
> 2 )  ( | 2 )  (
> \bar "||"
>
> % second pattern
> c'4 d' e' f' % ...
> }
> }
>
> This minimal example has errors, of course, but I've tried to express
> what I mean here. I've tried several approaches, but two problems occur:
>
> 1. The slur extends across the double bar line, ie into the next pattern;
> 2. If I use a tie instead of a slur, each note of the chords gets a tie.
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> many thanks
> Hendrik
>
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Re: Unclear doc?

[Jacques Menu Muzhic]

Hello Malte,

Thanks!

JM

> Le 29 mars 2017 à 10:42, Malte Meyn  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Am 29.03.2017 um 08:41 schrieb Menu Jacques:
>> Hello folks,
>> 
>> In appendix A.17 of the LPNR v2.19.57, what doest the « No setting… »
>> sentence mean?
>> 
>> alternativeNumberingStyle (symbol)
>> The style of an alternative’s bar numbers. Can be numbers for going back
>> to the same number or numbers-with-letters for going back to the same
>> number with letter suffixes. *No setting will not go back in
>> measure-number time*.
> 
> No setting means either “there is no setting” or “it’s set to #'()”.
> 
> \version "2.19.56"
> 
> music = {
>  \repeat volta 3 R1*2
>  \alternative {
>R
>R
>R
>  }
>  R
> }
> 
> \layout {
>  \context {
>\Score
>\override BarNumber.break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible
>  }
> }
> 
> \new Score \music
> 
> \new Score \with {
>  alternativeNumberingStyle = #'numbers
> } \music
> 
> \new Score \with {
>  alternativeNumberingStyle = #'numbers-with-letters
> } \music
> 
> \new Score \with {
>  alternativeNumberingStyle = #'numbers-with-letters
> } {
>  \music
>  \set Score.alternativeNumberingStyle = #'()
>  \music
> }
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Re: Repeat slur?

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hi Hendrik,

do you mean something like the laissezVibrer?

{ \laissezVibrer }

HTH
Jan-Peter

Am 30.03.2017 um 08:14 schrieb Hendrik Fuß:

Hi,

I'm looking for something like a "repeat slur".

Background: I'm typesetting a sheet of short repeatable patterns, each
separated by a double bar line. Some patterns use legato slurs across
the repeat.

Minimal example:

\score {
{
% first pattern
2 )  ( | 2 )  (
\bar "||"

% second pattern
c'4 d' e' f' % ...
}
}

This minimal example has errors, of course, but I've tried to express
what I mean here. I've tried several approaches, but two problems occur:

1. The slur extends across the double bar line, ie into the next pattern;
2. If I use a tie instead of a slur, each note of the chords gets a tie.

Any suggestions appreciated.

many thanks
Hendrik



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Re: Repeat slur?

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Hendrik,

I can't see a repeat or and end to the slur. Can you post what you mean?

Andrew
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Open hairpin

[Andrew Bernard]

Is there any way to achieve a hairpin with an open end, so rather than
converging to a single point, the hairpin finishes  prematurely, in effect,
and vice versa for the other way around? This is useful in some scores I
need to engrave where the intermediate dynamics are indicated inline with
the hairpin [f > mf > p, say]. I am aware this could be done with a
whiteout box, but I am wondering if there is a setting that can be adjusted.

Andrew
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Repeat slur?

[Hendrik Fuß]

Hi,

I'm looking for something like a "repeat slur".

Background: I'm typesetting a sheet of short repeatable patterns, each
separated by a double bar line. Some patterns use legato slurs across the
repeat.

Minimal example:

\score {
{
% first pattern
2 )  ( | 2 )  (
\bar "||"

% second pattern
c'4 d' e' f' % ...
}
}

This minimal example has errors, of course, but I've tried to express what
I mean here. I've tried several approaches, but two problems occur:

1. The slur extends across the double bar line, ie into the next pattern;
2. If I use a tie instead of a slur, each note of the chords gets a tie.

Any suggestions appreciated.

many thanks
Hendrik
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