Re: Breaking Ties to Avoid Time Signature Changes

[Noeck]

Hi Brian,

does this snippet help?
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/snippets/editorial-annotations#editorial-annotations-using-the-whiteout-property

Best,
Joram

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Breaking Ties to Avoid Time Signature Changes

[Brian kozaczek]

Hi All,

How do I break ties from a chord (single voice) that overlap a changed time 
signature in the next measure?

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Re:Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

Most of the other help you've been given has been
techniques to combine two voices.

A more straightforward approach is to avoid
splitting up the music in the first place, and include
all the music up until the terminal dynamic within the
first parallel music expression.

This is not as scalable as the other approaches,
but it is less cluttered, and works.


\version "2.19.65"
\include "english.ly"

\score {

   \new Staff = "guitar"
   {
 #(set-accidental-style 'neo-modern)
 \numericTimeSignature
 \clef "treble_8"

<<
{
8  8\<
8
8\f
}
\\
{
f,4
}
  >>

  \times 2/3 {  af'16\ff  ef'16 c16 }
  4.

   }

  \layout {

\context {
 \Score proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/16)
} % \context

  } % \layout
} % \score




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Re: Accidentals and thickness

[SoundsFromSound]

Simon Albrecht-2 wrote
> On 28.08.2017 22:49, SoundsFromSound wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Can someone tell me the easiest way to adjust the thickness / thinness of
>> accidentals in LilyPond?
>>
>> Not the size of the accidentals, just the actual thickness level for
>> them.
>> I've tried a few overrides w/ regards to contexts but nothing does what I
>> had hoped it would...thank you!
> 
> Hi Ben,
> 
> the accidentals are font characters, so you’d need to choose another 
> font or make your own version…
> Not to speak of faking it using something like
> \markup\scale #'(0.8 . 1) \musicglyph #""
> but that would be an emergency solution – and also you speak of not 
> altering the size. So that’s it.
> 
> Best, Simon

Hi Simon,

Ah, yes that does make sense now to me thank you. I think then for this
situation I just should tweak the size down a bit and let it go. :) Was
hoping there was an easy way to thin out the accidental marking just a tad,
but it's really not a big deal.

Have a good day!






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Re: Accidentals and thickness

[Simon Albrecht]

On 28.08.2017 22:49, SoundsFromSound wrote:

Hello list,

Can someone tell me the easiest way to adjust the thickness / thinness of
accidentals in LilyPond?

Not the size of the accidentals, just the actual thickness level for them.
I've tried a few overrides w/ regards to contexts but nothing does what I
had hoped it would...thank you!


Hi Ben,

the accidentals are font characters, so you’d need to choose another 
font or make your own version…

Not to speak of faking it using something like
\markup\scale #'(0.8 . 1) \musicglyph #""
but that would be an emergency solution – and also you speak of not 
altering the size. So that’s it.


Best, Simon

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Accidentals and thickness

[SoundsFromSound]

Hello list,

Can someone tell me the easiest way to adjust the thickness / thinness of
accidentals in LilyPond? 

Not the size of the accidentals, just the actual thickness level for them.
I've tried a few overrides w/ regards to contexts but nothing does what I
had hoped it would...thank you!





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Re: \breathe sign to be inline with alto

[Simon Albrecht]

On 28.08.2017 21:49, Bernhard Kleine wrote:

Am 28.08.2017 um 21:24 schrieb David Kastrup:

Does
{ c'1 \tweak Y-offset -2 \breathe c'1 }

help?

It does! thank you. BTW: What do I to do to make it the variable
\breathedown at the beginning of the setting?


That’s just a simple variable definition:
breathedown = \tweak Y-offset -2 \breathe

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Re: \breathe sign to be inline with alto

[Bernhard Kleine]

Am 28.08.2017 um 21:24 schrieb David Kastrup:
> Bernhard Kleine  writes:
>
>> I try to set Verleih uns Frieden, a motette from Heinrich Schütz.
>> sopranoII and alto are in the same staff. The \breathe sign for
>> sopranoII is easy, simple \breathe and it moves to top of the staff. But
>> I could not find any help for the corresponding breathing sign for alto
>> which should go not to the top but to the bottom of the staff.
>>
>> Where could I find the info for this?
>>
>> Regards and thanks for any help
> You don't provide a minimal example.  Does
>
> { c'1 \tweak Y-offset -2 \breathe c'1 }
>
> help?
>
>
It does! thank you. BTW: What do I to do to make it the variable
\breathedown at the beginning of the setting?


thanks for the prompt response.
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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Thank you to all that responded.

I very much appreciate  the support of this list.

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Re: \breathe sign to be inline with alto

[David Kastrup]

Bernhard Kleine  writes:

> I try to set Verleih uns Frieden, a motette from Heinrich Schütz.
> sopranoII and alto are in the same staff. The \breathe sign for
> sopranoII is easy, simple \breathe and it moves to top of the staff. But
> I could not find any help for the corresponding breathing sign for alto
> which should go not to the top but to the bottom of the staff.
>
> Where could I find the info for this?
>
> Regards and thanks for any help

You don't provide a minimal example.  Does

{ c'1 \tweak Y-offset -2 \breathe c'1 }

help?


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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[David Kastrup]

Ivan Kuznetsov  writes:

> And that does work !
>
> It does appears to be a subtle variation
> of Mr. Kastrup's solution.
>
> tisimst  wrote:
>>
>> Instead of this:
>>
>> 
>> <<
>>   { 8  8\< }
>>   \\
>>   {  f,4 }

>> 
>>
>> Do this:
>>
>> 
>> <<
>>   { \voiceOne 8  8\< }
>>   \new Voice { \voiceTwo f,4 }

>> \oneVoice
>> 

Not at all.  It is removing the "\\" from Kieren's otherwise correct
solution, that's all.  But my proposal was about keeping the "\\" (which
creates implicit \context Voice = "..." constructs) in connection with a
comparatively new convenience construct.

So it's more a correction on Kieren than a "variation" on me.

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\breathe sign to be inline with alto

[Bernhard Kleine]

Hi,

I try to set Verleih uns Frieden, a motette from Heinrich Schütz.
sopranoII and alto are in the same staff. The \breathe sign for
sopranoII is easy, simple \breathe and it moves to top of the staff. But
I could not find any help for the corresponding breathing sign for alto
which should go not to the top but to the bottom of the staff.

Where could I find the info for this?

Regards and thanks for any help

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[David Kastrup]

Ivan Kuznetsov  writes:

> David Kastrup  wrote:
>>
>> Ivan Kuznetsov  writes:
>>>
>>> Is the only solution to define the problem measure as
>>> a macro (themusic) and then insert that
>>> macro at the appropriate place in the score?
>>
>> Good grief, no.  A macro is completely equivalent to having the text
>> inserted at that place.
>
> Well, when I try to insert your text into
> the snippet without using a macro, I
> get the same "unterminated crescendo" error.

Because you don't just insert the macro but also delete other stuff.

> Perhaps you can point out when I did wrong
> below?  Thanks again.

You did not use \new Voice = "main" for the main voice.  Consequently,
the voice named "main" in the \voices construct was not matched with the
main voice and ended at >> .

> \version "2.19.65"
> \include "english.ly"
>
> \score {
>
>\new Staff = "guitar"
>{
>  #(set-accidental-style 'neo-modern)
>  \numericTimeSignature
>  \clef "treble_8"

Maybe insert

\new Voice = "main" {

at this point and add the corresponding } before the } ending the score.

>   \voices "main",2
>   <<
> { \voiceOne 8[ 8]\< \oneVoice }
> \\
> { f,4 }
>   >>
>   8
>   8\f
>   \times 2/3 { af'16\ff ef'16 c16 }
>   4.
>
>}
>
> } % \score
>

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

And that does work !

It does appears to be a subtle variation
of Mr. Kastrup's solution.

tisimst  wrote:
>
> Instead of this:
>
> 
> <<
>   { 8  8\< }
>   \\
>   {  f,4 }
>>>
> 
>
> Do this:
>
> 
> <<
>   { \voiceOne 8  8\< }
>   \new Voice { \voiceTwo f,4 }
>>>
> \oneVoice
> 

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

David Kastrup  wrote:
>
> Ivan Kuznetsov  writes:
>>
>> Is the only solution to define the problem measure as
>> a macro (themusic) and then insert that
>> macro at the appropriate place in the score?
>
> Good grief, no.  A macro is completely equivalent to having the text
> inserted at that place.

Well, when I try to insert your text into
the snippet without using a macro, I
get the same "unterminated crescendo" error.

Perhaps you can point out when I did wrong
below?  Thanks again.

\version "2.19.65"
\include "english.ly"

\score {

   \new Staff = "guitar"
   {
 #(set-accidental-style 'neo-modern)
 \numericTimeSignature
 \clef "treble_8"

  \voices "main",2
  <<
{ \voiceOne 8[ 8]\< \oneVoice }
\\
{ f,4 }
  >>
  8
  8\f
  \times 2/3 { af'16\ff ef'16 c16 }
  4.

   }

} % \score

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[tisimst]

Hi, Ivan!

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Ivan Kuznetsov [via Lilypond] <
ml+s1069038n205320...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Mark Stephen Mrotek <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you could code a second voice with spacers and place the
> beginning
> > and ending of the hairpin exactly.
>
> I have tried using an extra voice with spacers but have yet to
> come up with a solution.
>

Instead of this:


<<
  { 8  8\< }
  \\
  {  f,4 }
>>


Do this:


<<
  { \voiceOne 8  8\< }
  \new Voice { \voiceTwo f,4 }
>>
\oneVoice


Hope that helps,
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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[David Kastrup]

Ivan Kuznetsov  writes:

> Thank you Mr. Kastrup.
>
> Whereas the snippet you provided works, I am still
> having trouble implementing your solution into
> the context of my composition.
>
> Is the only solution to define the problem measure as
> a macro (themusic) and then insert that
> macro at the appropriate place in the score?

Good grief, no.  A macro is completely equivalent to having the text
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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Mark Stephen Mrotek  wrote:
>
> Perhaps you could code a second voice with spacers and place the beginning
> and ending of the hairpin exactly.

I have tried using an extra voice with spacers but have yet to
come up with a solution.

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Thank you Mr. Kastrup.

Whereas the snippet you provided works, I am still
having trouble implementing your solution into
the context of my composition.

Is the only solution to define the problem measure as
a macro (themusic) and then insert that
macro at the appropriate place in the score?

The above does "work" but it makes my score files
difficult to read and work with.

Is there a way I can implement this solution without
having to put the entire measure in a macro?

Again, thank you very much for your help.

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Re: Merge_rests_engraver and dotted rest problem

[Risto Vääräniemi]

On 28 August 2017 at 17:57, Thomas Morley  wrote:
> 2017-08-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Risto Vääräniemi :
>>
>> I just discovered the new Merge_rests_engraver that should merge the
>> rests of two voices. It is an improvement to the LSR snippet 336 *)
>> because it now combines the whole-measure rests. However, it fails to
>> merge dotted rests.
>> ...
>>
>
> Hi Risto,
>
> this is now Issue 5179
> https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5179/
> with patch.
>
> Thanks for your report,
>   Harm

Thanks Harm. That was quick. ;-)

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Ivan Kuznetsov  wrote:
> Kieren MacMillan  wrote:
>>
>> You need to explicitly extantiate the voices, so that the
>> first voice is the main one:
>
> That was a solution.  Thanks.

Actually, I spoke too soon.  That solution fixed the snippet, but as
Mr. Kastrup said, it breaks when I insert it into the actual composition.

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi David,

> here is a nicer way (given a recent enough version of LilyPond)

I wondered if that \voices command had made it in yet.
Really glad to see it! Now I can (I think?) finally get rid of all my "\split" 
macros…

Thanks,
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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Kieren MacMillan  wrote:
>
> You need to explicitly extantiate the voices, so that the
> first voice is the main one:

That was a solution.  Thanks.

I did have to add the command:

   \set Timing.beamExceptions = #'()

to get rid of a bizarre default beaming though.
The warning was:

 warning: no viable initial configuration found: may not find good beam slope

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RE: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Ivan,

Perhaps you could code a second voice with spacers and place the beginning
and ending of the hairpin exactly.

Mark

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Subject: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

Hello All:

I need a hairpin crescendo to start
on the second eighth-note of beat one
(underneath the B-flat/D-flat diad)
and continue to the forte under the
second eighth-note of beat two
(underneath the D/B-flat/G triad).

The error message I get is:

 post01.ly:18:23: warning: unterminated crescendo

and the desired crecendo is not created.
How might I remedy this?



I suspect the error message is because of the way the voices are laid out:
Beat one is written as two lilypond-voices, and beats two through four are
written as one lilypond-voice. That suspicion still has not suggested
solution to me, though.

Thanks to all !

%---

\version "2.19.65"
\include "english.ly"

\score {

   \new Staff = "guitar"
   {
 #(set-accidental-style 'neo-modern)
 \numericTimeSignature
 \clef "treble_8"

  <<
  { 8  8\< }
  \\
  {  f,4 }
  >>

  8
  8\f

  \times 2/3 {  af'16\ff  ef'16 c16 }
  4.

   }

  \layout {

\context {
 \Score proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/16)
} % \context

  } % \layout
} % \score

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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hi Ivan,
>
>> I suspect the error message is because of the way
>> the voices are laid out:  Beat one is written
>> as two lilypond-voices
>
> You need to explicitly extantiate the voices, so that the first voice is the 
> main one:
>
>   SNIPPET BEGINS
> \version "2.19.64"
> \include "english.ly"
>
> themusic = {
>   \clef "treble_8"
>   <<
> { \voiceOne 8[ 8]\< }
> \\
> \new Voice { \voiceTwo f,4 }
>   >> \oneVoice
>   8
>   8\f
>   \times 2/3 { af'16\ff ef'16 c16 }
>   4.
> }
>
> { \themusic }
>   SNIPPET ENDS
>
> Hope this helps,
> Kieren.

Unlikely, since it works by accident more than anything else.  To wit,
writing

\new Voice { \themusic }

already breaks it, and so would most other changes.  The problem is that
you kept "\\" around which then creates an implicit \context Voice = "1"
which then only survives into the common part because LilyPond will not
let every voice die but keep the first one around.

Removing \\ would be good, but here is a nicer way (given a recent
enough version of LilyPond) that doesn't and is a bit more transparent
about what it does:

\version "2.19.64"
\include "english.ly"

themusic = {
  \clef "treble_8"
  \voices "main",2
  <<
{ \voiceOne 8[ 8]\< \oneVoice }
\\
{ f,4 }
  >>
  8
  8\f
  \times 2/3 { af'16\ff ef'16 c16 }
  4.
}

\new Voice = "main" { \themusic }


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Re: Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Ivan,

> I suspect the error message is because of the way
> the voices are laid out:  Beat one is written
> as two lilypond-voices

You need to explicitly extantiate the voices, so that the first voice is the 
main one:

  SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.19.64"
\include "english.ly"

themusic = {
  \clef "treble_8"
  <<
{ \voiceOne 8[ 8]\< }
\\
\new Voice { \voiceTwo f,4 }
  >> \oneVoice
  8
  8\f
  \times 2/3 { af'16\ff ef'16 c16 }
  4.
}

{ \themusic }
  SNIPPET ENDS

Hope this helps,
Kieren.


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Unterminated Crescendo Issue

[Ivan Kuznetsov]

Hello All:

I need a hairpin crescendo to start
on the second eighth-note of beat one
(underneath the B-flat/D-flat diad)
and continue to the forte under the
second eighth-note of beat two
(underneath the D/B-flat/G triad).

The error message I get is:

 post01.ly:18:23: warning: unterminated crescendo

and the desired crecendo is not created.
How might I remedy this?



I suspect the error message is because of the way
the voices are laid out:  Beat one is written
as two lilypond-voices, and beats two through four
are written as one lilypond-voice. That suspicion
still has not suggested solution to me, though.

Thanks to all !

%---

\version "2.19.65"
\include "english.ly"

\score {

   \new Staff = "guitar"
   {
 #(set-accidental-style 'neo-modern)
 \numericTimeSignature
 \clef "treble_8"

  <<
  { 8  8\< }
  \\
  {  f,4 }
  >>

  8
  8\f

  \times 2/3 {  af'16\ff  ef'16 c16 }
  4.

   }

  \layout {

\context {
 \Score proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/16)
} % \context

  } % \layout
} % \score

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Re: Merge_rests_engraver and dotted rest problem

[Thomas Morley]

2017-08-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Risto Vääräniemi :
> Hi,
>
> I just discovered the new Merge_rests_engraver that should merge the
> rests of two voices. It is an improvement to the LSR snippet 336 *)
> because it now combines the whole-measure rests. However, it fails to
> merge dotted rests.
>
> There was a short discussion from November 2016 about a similar issue
> but I'm not sure if it's the same:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-11/msg00374.html
>
> I could not find an issue about this. Is this a bug and should there
> be an issue?
>
> It'd be really nice to have one system that could handle both cases.
>
> *) http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336
>
> BR,
> Risto
>
> ---
>
> \version "2.19.65"
>
> voiceA = \relative { d''8 r4. d2 }
> voiceB = \relative { fis'8 r4. g2 }
> \score {
>   <<
> \new Staff \with { \consists #Merge_rests_engraver }
> <<
>   \new Voice { \voiceOne \voiceA }
>   \new Voice { \voiceTwo \voiceB }
> >>
>   >>
> }
>
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Hi Risto,

this is now Issue 5179
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5179/
with patch.

Thanks for your report,
  Harm

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