Re: 5 quaters per 4/4 measure

[Jacques Menu Muzhic]

Hello,

Thanks for the solutions!

I think I’ll use the cadenza : its use for the intonation before the main music 
body is quite convincing.

JM

> Le 16 févr. 2017 à 16:31, Urs Liska  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Am 16.02.2017 um 15:25 schrieb Menu Jacques:
>> The Binchois.xml example by Recordare has 5 quater notes in a 4/4
>> measure (stemless by the way).
>> 
>> Is this a « bug » in this MusicXML file, and if not, is there a way to
>> produce that with LP? 
>> I know I can use a hidden 5/4 time signature while diplaying a 4/4
>> one, but that’s not that satisfying…
>> 
> 
> I can't comment on the original XML file (or the composition) or the
> musicxml conversion.
> But if you want to display five quarters in a 4/4 meter you'd want to do
> 
> {
>  \time 4/4
>  \scaleDurations 4/5 {
>% \omit Stem
>c4 c c c c
>  }
> }
> 
> HTH
> Urs
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Re: 5 quaters per 4/4 measure

[Urs Liska]

Am 16.02.2017 um 15:25 schrieb Menu Jacques:
> The Binchois.xml example by Recordare has 5 quater notes in a 4/4
> measure (stemless by the way).
>
> Is this a « bug » in this MusicXML file, and if not, is there a way to
> produce that with LP? 
> I know I can use a hidden 5/4 time signature while diplaying a 4/4
> one, but that’s not that satisfying…
>

I can't comment on the original XML file (or the composition) or the
musicxml conversion.
But if you want to display five quarters in a 4/4 meter you'd want to do

{
  \time 4/4
  \scaleDurations 4/5 {
% \omit Stem
c4 c c c c
  }
}

HTH
Urs

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Re: 5 quaters per 4/4 measure

[David Kastrup]

Menu Jacques  writes:

> Hello folks,
>
> The Binchois.xml example by Recordare has 5 quater notes in a 4/4 measure
> (stemless by the way).
>
> Is this a « bug » in this MusicXML file, and if not, is there a way to 
> produce that with
> LP?

It's an intonation.  They are usually done unmetered.  The 4/4 probably
is some default creeping in.

I'd do something like

\new Voice {
  \clef "bass" \key f \major
  \temporary\omit Stem
  \once\omit Staff.TimeSignature
  \cadenzaOn
  c'4 d' c'( f') f'
  \cadenzaOff
  \bar "|"
  \undo\omit Stem
  \time 3/4 r r f
} \addlyrics { Ma -- gni -- fi -- cat A }

> I know I can use a hidden 5/4 time signature while diplaying a 4/4
> one, but that’s not that satisfying…

Just use \cadenza here.  This stuff is unmetered.

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Re: 5 quaters per 4/4 measure

[tisimst]

Menu,

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Menu Jacques [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n200191...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> The Binchois.xml example by Recordare has 5 quater notes in a 4/4 measure
> (stemless by the way).
>

There are a number of ways to do this.
1. You can use a quintuplet with the bracket and number hidden: \once \omit
TupletBracket \once \omit TupletNumber \tuplet 5/4 { ... }
2. You can scale the duration of any note on the fly using the "*N/M"
syntax, which will cascade to subsequent notes with the duration omitted:
c4*4/5
3. You can use \scaleDurations to scale an entire passage: \scaleDurations
4/5 { ... }

So, take your pick! I think #2 would be the simplest here because you only
need to indicate the duration + scale on the first quarter note of the
first bar and it will apply to them all.

Is this a « bug » in this MusicXML file, and if not, is there a way to
> produce that with LP?
> I know I can use a hidden 5/4 time signature while diplaying a 4/4 one,
> but that’s not that satisfying…
>

In the XML code of measure 1, you'll notice that there isn't a time
signature defined at all (unless what you copied+pasted somehow didn't
include it), just a clef and key signature. How Finale knows to interpret
the five quarter notes as a single bar without scaling them is a mystery.


> Or maybe the absence of stems is the key to that? But I found nothing in
> the LP docs.
>

It's a possibility that Finale interprets the situation that way, but
unless that's how it's laid out in the official MusicXML spec, I'm not sure
I'd interpret it that way unless ALL apps that import/export MXML do the
same thing.

HTH,
Abraham




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Re: 5 quaters per 4/4 measure

[Simon Albrecht]

On 16.02.2017 15:25, Menu Jacques wrote:
The Binchois.xml example by Recordare has 5 quater notes in a 4/4 
measure (stemless by the way).


Is this a « bug » in this MusicXML file, and if not, is there a way to 
produce that with LP?
I know I can use a hidden 5/4 time signature while diplaying a 4/4 
one, but that’s not that satisfying…


Or maybe the absence of stems is the key to that? But I found nothing 
in the LP docs.


You can see below how Finale 2014 handles that.


From the image it’s totally obvious that the mistake is writing 4/4 in 
the first place. I guess it just sneaked in there being the default, but 
actually this ‘Magnificat’ is chant and should not have any time signature.


Best, Simon

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