Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Hi Harm and thank you for your detailed answer. For some reason, at the first time, I was pretty sure it looked like curved beams... My mistake! Cheers, Pierre Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 19:11, Thomas Morley a écrit : > Am So., 23. Aug. 2020 um 18:39 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider > : > > > > Sure Harm, here you go: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YND32HckZqk=1m24s > > Cheers, > > Pierre > > > > Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 11:02, Thomas Morley > a écrit : > >> > >> Am So., 23. Aug. 2020 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider > >> : > >> > > >> > Dear Andrew, > >> > > >> > Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 08:09, Andrew Bernard < > andrew.bern...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> > > >> >> I play bass gamba - I've always wanted to do the lovely curved beams > >> >> (and for Bach,. and the lot!). No chance lilypond will ever be able > to, > >> >> I don't think! > >> > > >> > > >> > I saw Harm (T. Morley) making a short presentation (no details) of > curved beams few months ago (in german). > >> > So, yes, it's possible... > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Pierre > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Could you post the link? > >> I don't remember lol > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Harm > > Hi Pierre, > > That's the video of my talk at Salzburg. > Though, the topic was not about curvy beams. I just showed some images > to demonstrate what's possible with user-code. Meant as an > introduction. > Among those were indeed wavy Beams (more attached). > Alas, the code for it is much more complicated than the one I actually > showed during the talk. > And those wavy Beams don't follow the pitches (as those in the > manuscripts by Bach etc). I developed the code for the (paid) > type-setting of some avantgarde composition - there they stand more > for only vague determined note-durations. > If you look closely you'll see that the stems need to be adjusted > frequently. > > To summarize, the code for those wavy Beams will not do what's desired > here! > Nevertheless it may be not impossible, though I've not the time to > dive into it... > > Cheers, > Harm >
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Sure Harm, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YND32HckZqk=1m24s Cheers, Pierre Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 11:02, Thomas Morley a écrit : > Am So., 23. Aug. 2020 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider > : > > > > Dear Andrew, > > > > Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 08:09, Andrew Bernard > a écrit : > > > >> I play bass gamba - I've always wanted to do the lovely curved beams > >> (and for Bach,. and the lot!). No chance lilypond will ever be able to, > >> I don't think! > > > > > > I saw Harm (T. Morley) making a short presentation (no details) of > curved beams few months ago (in german). > > So, yes, it's possible... > > > > Cheers, > > Pierre > > > > > > Could you post the link? > I don't remember lol > > Cheers, > Harm >
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Am So., 23. Aug. 2020 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider : > > Dear Andrew, > > Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 08:09, Andrew Bernard a > écrit : > >> I play bass gamba - I've always wanted to do the lovely curved beams >> (and for Bach,. and the lot!). No chance lilypond will ever be able to, >> I don't think! > > > I saw Harm (T. Morley) making a short presentation (no details) of curved > beams few months ago (in german). > So, yes, it's possible... > > Cheers, > Pierre > > Could you post the link? I don't remember lol Cheers, Harm
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Dear Andrew, Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 08:09, Andrew Bernard a écrit : I play bass gamba - I've always wanted to do the lovely curved beams > (and for Bach,. and the lot!). No chance lilypond will ever be able to, > I don't think! > I saw Harm (T. Morley) making a short presentation (no details) of curved beams few months ago (in german). So, yes, it's possible... Cheers, Pierre
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 07:56, Andrew Bernard a écrit : > Hi Pierre, > > Bass gamba in France has very detailed markups, such as poussez (p) and > tirez (t), push and pull (up and down bow), and a whole swag more. I'll > dig up some Marin Marais and send to you. > Thank you Andrew.
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Thank you for the examples. Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 07:59, Alasdair McAndrew a écrit : > There are other issues with this music, which can bristle with expressive > marks: bowing and fingering information, various shorthands for different > sorts of ornaments, over and above the placement of the notes. But I'll > write another post about that. For the fingering maybe I could possibly > also use the markup command to place some characters atop each other, a > digit and a row of closely spaced dots. You'll see that although I > mentioned in my original post that the dots are in an arc, that's not > necessarily the case, and I could probably get away with a straight line. > See: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/other.fr.html#index-_005cpattern-1 E.g.: \markup \pattern #4 #X #.2 \musicglyph #"dots.dot" Cheers, Pierre
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Hi Alasdair, I play bass gamba - I've always wanted to do the lovely curved beams (and for Bach,. and the lot!). No chance lilypond will ever be able to, I don't think! Andrew
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Hi Pierre, Bass gamba in France has very detailed markups, such as poussez (p) and tirez (t), push and pull (up and down bow), and a whole swag more. I'll dig up some Marin Marais and send to you. Andrew On 23/08/2020 2:35 pm, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote: Hi Alasdair, I've never seen such notation. I'd be curious to see an example.
Re: Fingering: showing strings by dots?
Hi Alasdair,
I've never seen such notation. I'd be curious to see an example.
Maybe this could help: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1068
E.g.:
\version "2.20.0"
#(define-markup-command
(circled-pattern layout props radius angle num arg)
(number? number? number? markup?)
(interpret-markup layout props
(let* ((rep (abs num))(rad (abs radius)))
(cond
((= num 0) (markup ""))
((= num 1) (markup arg))
(#t (markup
(#:combine
(#:null)
(fold
(lambda (i prev)
(markup
(#:combine
(#:rotate
(* i (/ angle rep))
(#:concat (#:null #:hspace rad arg)))
prev)))
(markup (#:null))
(iota (1+ rep))
four = \markup\translate #'(-.7 . 0) \rotate #45 \circled-pattern #2 #90 #4
"."
{
c'-3^\four
}
Cheers,
Pierre
Le dim. 23 août 2020 à 04:23, Alasdair McAndrew a écrit :
> I am trying to typeset some early 18th century French music for viola da
> gamba. The standard notation, which I would like to keep, is that the
> string is indicated by a row of dots above the finger number. That is, for
> example, a 4 with three dots over it (generally in a slight arc, rather
> than in a straight line), indicates using the fourth finger on the third
> string.
>
> Can this be achieved in Lilypond? I can't find any references in the
> manual, but maybe I haven't looked hard enough...
>
> Thank you very much,
> Alasdair
>
> --
> https://numbersandshapes.net
>
Fingering: showing strings by dots?
I am trying to typeset some early 18th century French music for viola da gamba. The standard notation, which I would like to keep, is that the string is indicated by a row of dots above the finger number. That is, for example, a 4 with three dots over it (generally in a slight arc, rather than in a straight line), indicates using the fourth finger on the third string. Can this be achieved in Lilypond? I can't find any references in the manual, but maybe I haven't looked hard enough... Thank you very much, Alasdair -- https://numbersandshapes.net
