Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-22 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 18:38 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: David Raleigh Arnold d...@openguitar.com writes: Copyrighted material is intended to have a useful life after the expiration of copyright, not to be useless, like CP/M or Windows 3.2 or 98 for example. There is not much of a point

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-20 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 22:11 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: David Raleigh Arnold d...@openguitar.com writes: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:52:03 +0100, Hans Aberg wrote: On 19 Jan 2012, at 21:58, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:05 -0800, Bernardo Barros wrote: Open software

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-20 Thread David Kastrup
David Raleigh Arnold d...@openguitar.com writes: Copyrighted material is intended to have a useful life after the expiration of copyright, not to be useless, like CP/M or Windows 3.2 or 98 for example. There is not much of a point for topical newspaper articles being copyrighted until 90

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-20 Thread PMA
PMA wrote: ... Yes, I've sniffed posted in IMSLP's site now -- enough to see that my public-domain-like status fears were misconceived, and to appreciate the gist of licenses being offered. I tend to expect that their 6th listed, Attribution + Non-commercial + No Derivatives would do me just

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 15:02 -0500, PMA wrote: David Raleigh Arnold wrote: Your last sentence here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I would like, of course, to find

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread Bernardo Barros
Open software people tend to consider artists as being equivalent to programmers, so they think artists should starve. I have no sympathy with that view. Obviously. Knowledge should be free, Yale to the contrary. Art shouldn't be free until the artist gets his. The source code of the

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread Hayden Muhl
PMA-2 wrote: David Raleigh Arnold wrote: But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I would like, of course, to find a (major, well run) public archive without such constraints. Have you actually spoken to anyone over at IMSLP about

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread PMA
Hayden Muhl wrote: PMA-2 wrote: David Raleigh Arnold wrote: But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I would like, of course, to find a (major, well run) public archive without such constraints. Have you actually spoken to anyone over

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:05 -0800, Bernardo Barros wrote: Open software people tend to consider artists as being equivalent to programmers, so they think artists should starve. I have no sympathy with that view. Obviously. Knowledge should be free, Yale to the contrary. Art shouldn't be

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread PMA
current ISP address (as long as I keep Yale apprised of it). David Raleigh Arnold wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 15:02 -0500, PMA wrote: David Raleigh Arnold wrote: Your last sentence here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread David Kastrup
David Raleigh Arnold d...@openguitar.com writes: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:05 -0800, Bernardo Barros wrote: Open software people tend to consider artists as being equivalent to programmers, so they think artists should starve. I have no sympathy with that view. Obviously. Knowledge should

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-19 Thread Hans Aberg
On 19 Jan 2012, at 21:58, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:05 -0800, Bernardo Barros wrote: Open software people tend to consider artists as being equivalent to programmers, so they think artists should starve. I have no sympathy with that view. Obviously. Knowledge

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread Hans Aberg
On 18 Jan 2012, at 01:54, PMA wrote: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. Obviously for a clear view, I've got more homework ahead Public domain means that the copyright

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread David Kastrup
PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. That would be weird since several countries do not even have a concept of public domain in their

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread David Kastrup
PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: Jay Anderson wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. IMSLP

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread PMA
David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I need. Thanks for your patience! Pete David Kastrup wrote: PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: Jay Anderson wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand,

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread PMA
PMA wrote: David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I need. Thanks for your patience! Pete ... David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I've needed. Thanks for your patience! Pete Sorry, forgot to erase my top-post after copying it to the bottom.

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread David Kastrup
PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: PMA wrote: David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I need. Thanks for your patience! Pete ... David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I've needed. Thanks for your patience! Pete Sorry, forgot to erase my top-post after

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread PMA
David Kastrup wrote: PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: PMA wrote: David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I need. Thanks for your patience! Pete ... David, Hans, Chris -- These are the perspectives I've needed. Thanks for your patience! Pete Sorry, forgot to erase

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread Hans Aberg
It is pretty creative - I haven't seen that before! :-) Hans On 18 Jan 2012, at 19:37, PMA wrote: Sorry, forgot to erase my top-post after copying it to the bottom. It is pretty creative - I haven't seen that before! :-) Hans ___ lilypond-user

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-18 Thread PMA
me Hans Aberg wrote: It is pretty creative - I haven't seen that before! :-) Hans On 18 Jan 2012, at 19:37, PMA wrote: Sorry, forgot to erase my top-post after copying it to the bottom. It is pretty creative - I haven't seen that before! :-) Hans neither

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
Oh -- all *my* compositions. Sorry, I should have thought to specify this. Shane Brandes wrote: Do you mean by your scores? your compositions or your typesetting of other's compositions? Shane On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: P.S. Selling is not an

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread David Kastrup
PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: Oh -- all *my* compositions. Sorry, I should have thought to specify this. Well, you said you don't care about royalties. So apparently what you do care about is artistic integrity. The question is how you can achieve your goals while providing a

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
Francisco Vila wrote: 2012/1/17 PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu: Thanks for your response. But I see that we are way apart on this. Adapting/customizing the result is exactly what I mean to prevent. I want these products closed indeed. Naturally, unrealized scoring improvements will remain on

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
David Kastrup wrote: PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: Oh -- all *my* compositions. Sorry, I should have thought to specify this. Well, you said you don't care about royalties. So apparently what you do care about is artistic integrity. The question is how you can achieve your goals

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread David Kastrup
PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu writes: David Kastrup wrote: If your work was worth writing, it will certainly also be worth thinking about the form in which you consider it best to make it available. All the best Thank you David, I will digest all this. Thanks for caring! -- David

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 20:26 -0500, PMA wrote: Hi List. I'm considering posting my scores on WIMA (now via ISMLP), and would much appreciate comment from any of you who have had experience in going that route. Make sure your midi, if any, has a copyright notice. Lilypond does not put one in

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jan 2012, at 02:26, PMA wrote: I'm considering posting my scores on WIMA (now via ISMLP), and would much appreciate comment from any of you who have had experience in going that route. Most especialy, I'm wondering what regrets you may have faced after agreeing to the diluted

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
would I...? But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I would like, of course, to find a (major, well run) public archive without such constraints. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Francisco Vila
here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? I suspect he was being ironical. But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. Only public domain is public domain. Attribution licenses grant you attribution rights. Other clauses

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 17 January 2012 21:02, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Your last sentence here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I wish that was true!! As a Free Culture

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. Obviously for a clear view, I've got more homework ahead Hans Aberg wrote: On 16 Jan 2012, at 02:26, PMA wrote: I'm considering

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
last sentence here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? I suspect he was being ironical. But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. Only public domain is public domain. Attribution licenses grant you attribution rights

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Jay Anderson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Thanks Hans.  As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. IMSLP allows submission of items in the public domain and items under

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
Xavier Scheuer wrote: On 17 January 2012 21:02, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Your last sentence here hits on *the* issue in my original post. Why indeed would I...? But it seems that, to post on ISMLP/ WIMA, one *must* commit to public-domain-like status. I wish that was true

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread PMA
Jay Anderson wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM, PMApeterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. IMSLP allows submission of items in the public

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Nick Payne
On 18/01/12 11:54, PMA wrote: Thanks Hans. As I (don't really) understand, ISMLP requires a contributor of copyrighted materials to agree to their being licensed *as* public domain. Well, from the FAQ on the IMSLP web site: All scores submitted to IMSLP either belong to the public domain, or

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-17 Thread Christopher R. Maden
On 01/17/2012 08:21 PM, PMA wrote: What I want -- irony and caricature aside -- is to have my finished scores accessible, freely available for download performance, and meanwhile reasonably protected from desecration. From your words I gather that, with regard to any public site, this a

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread PMA
P.S. By scores I mean only PDFs (not also their .ly sources). PMA wrote: Hi List. I'm considering posting my scores on WIMA (now via ISMLP), and would much appreciate comment from any of you who have had experience in going that route. Most especialy, I'm wondering what regrets you may have

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/1/16 PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu: P.S.  By scores I mean only PDFs (not also their .ly sources). Publish the sources along the scores. Without the sources the user can not adapt/customize the result, can not study how are they made and nobody learns a bit. Your work is yours and you

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread PMA
P.S. Selling is not an issue. PMA wrote: Thanks for your response. But I see that we are way apart on this. Adapting/customizing the result is exactly what I mean to prevent. I want these products closed indeed. Naturally, unrealized scoring improvements will remain on my head. Francisco

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread PMA
Thanks for your response. But I see that we are way apart on this. Adapting/customizing the result is exactly what I mean to prevent. I want these products closed indeed. Naturally, unrealized scoring improvements will remain on my head. Francisco Vila wrote: 2012/1/16

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread Shane Brandes
Do you mean by your scores? your compositions or your typesetting of other's compositions? Shane On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: P.S.  Selling is not an issue. PMA wrote: Thanks for your response.  But I see that we are way apart on this.

Re: ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-16 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/1/17 PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu: Thanks for your response.  But I see that we are way apart on this. Adapting/customizing the result is exactly what I mean to prevent. I want these products closed indeed.  Naturally, unrealized scoring improvements will remain on my head. But nobody

ISMLP/WIMA (?)

2012-01-15 Thread PMA
Hi List. I'm considering posting my scores on WIMA (now via ISMLP), and would much appreciate comment from any of you who have had experience in going that route. Most especialy, I'm wondering what regrets you may have faced after agreeing to the diluted copyright protections. Thanks in