Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-22 Thread Urs Liska 


Am 22.02.2017 um 16:06 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
> Hi,
>
> Op 22 feb. 2017 11:20 schreef >:
>
> Using a subdomain as proposed (live.lilypond.org
> ), the whole lilybin stuff could be
> outsourced to a different server ... finding someone who provides
> this possibility/server is another story.
>
>
> I have a NAS that I could make accessible to the Internet, but unsure
> if it could run the binary... Can anyone advise me on this? It's a
> Synology.
>

I assume that an explicit web server would be better suited for the task.
Urs

> But I like the "try it!" approach very much.
>
>
> I agree!
>
> Christ van Willegen
>
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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-22 Thread Christ van Willegen 
Hi,

Op 22 feb. 2017 11:20 schreef :

Using a subdomain as proposed (live.lilypond.org), the whole lilybin stuff
could be outsourced to a different server ... finding someone who provides
this possibility/server is another story.


I have a NAS that I could make accessible to the Internet, but unsure if it
could run the binary... Can anyone advise me on this? It's a Synology.

But I like the "try it!" approach very much.


I agree!

Christ van Willegen
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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-22 Thread marc 
Using a subdomain as proposed (live.lilypond.org), the whole lilybin stuff could be outsourced to a different server ... finding someone who provides this possibility/server is another story.But I like the "try it!" approach very much.MarcAm 22.02.2017 10:49 vorm. schrieb Phil Holmes <m...@philholmes.net>:






We have a policy of not using server CPU for 
processing on lilypond.org, because it's donated to us at no cost - so I don't 
think lilybin could be hosted on the lilypond.org site.
--Phil Holmes
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  tisimst 
  To: lilypond-user@gnu.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:55 
  PM
  Subject: Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New 
  LilyPond website]
  
  
  
  On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes-2 [via 
  Lilypond] <[hidden email]> wrote:
   
Lilypond.org gets around 700 sessions per day, 
according to Google analytics.
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  From: [hidden email] 
  To: [hidden email] ; [hidden email] 
  Cc: [hidden email] ; [hidden email] 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: 
  New LilyPond website]
  
  I'm primarily responsible for LilyBin. A year or so 
  ago, Timothy Gu (copied) and I got LilyPond running in AWS Lambda, which 
  should be able to handle plenty of traffic. I get 266,667 seconds of free 
  computation time per month from Amazon. We used 38,094 seconds in 
  January for 18,398 requests, meaning we should be able to handle—very 
  roughly estimating—100,000 more requests per month. How many visitors does 
  lilypond.org get? 
  
  The LilyBin UI isn't made to be embeddable, but could be made so. I'd 
  probably recommend just wiring up CodeMirror and PDF.js yourself rather than trying to show LilyBin in 
  an iframe.
  
  I'll be happy to work with you if you want a LilyBin-powered 
  demo on the home page!
  I love the idea of being able to let visitors try out LP code right there 
  when browsing the home page. I wonder if a dedicated subdomain (e.g., live.lilypond.org) would be more appropriate? 
  
  Here's what I'm thinking. 
  
  Each LP example in the docs has a real source file associated with it, 
  right? So,...
  
  1. Put LilyBin functionality at live.lilypond.org
  2. Put all the doc's source files in a directory structure that the new 
  site can access (ideally, through a web-navigate-able directory tree)
  3. Place a "Try this live!" link next to each score example in the docs 
  (or the image hyperlink) that points to the specific file in #2 that the 
  visitor can play around with (but can't save over), rather than just linking 
  to a plain text file
  
  This is a wish list, of course, but could be a very cool feature for 
  new/potential users wanting to get their feet wet.
  
  Best,
  Abraham
  
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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-22 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 

Am 2017-02-22 um 10:49 schrieb Phil Holmes :

> We have a policy of not using server CPU for processing on lilypond.org, 
> because it's donated to us at no cost - so I don't think lilybin could be 
> hosted on the lilypond.org site.

But live.lilypond.org could point at the lilybin (or another) server.


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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-22 Thread Phil Holmes 
We have a policy of not using server CPU for processing on lilypond.org, 
because it's donated to us at no cost - so I don't think lilybin could be 
hosted on the lilypond.org site.

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  - Original Message - 
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  To: lilypond-user@gnu.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:55 PM
  Subject: Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]






  On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes-2 [via Lilypond] <[hidden 
email]> wrote:

 
Lilypond.org gets around 700 sessions per day, according to Google 
analytics.

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  From: [hidden email] 
  To: [hidden email] ; [hidden email] 
  Cc: [hidden email] ; [hidden email] 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]


  I'm primarily responsible for LilyBin. A year or so ago, Timothy Gu 
(copied) and I got LilyPond running in AWS Lambda, which should be able to 
handle plenty of traffic. I get 266,667 seconds of free computation time per 
month from Amazon. We used 38,094 seconds in January for 18,398 requests, 
meaning we should be able to handle—very roughly estimating—100,000 more 
requests per month. How many visitors does lilypond.org get? 


  The LilyBin UI isn't made to be embeddable, but could be made so. I'd 
probably recommend just wiring up CodeMirror and PDF.js yourself rather than 
trying to show LilyBin in an iframe.


  I'll be happy to work with you if you want a LilyBin-powered demo on the 
home page!
  I love the idea of being able to let visitors try out LP code right there 
when browsing the home page. I wonder if a dedicated subdomain (e.g., 
live.lilypond.org) would be more appropriate? 


  Here's what I'm thinking. 


  Each LP example in the docs has a real source file associated with it, right? 
So,...


  1. Put LilyBin functionality at live.lilypond.org
  2. Put all the doc's source files in a directory structure that the new site 
can access (ideally, through a web-navigate-able directory tree)
  3. Place a "Try this live!" link next to each score example in the docs (or 
the image hyperlink) that points to the specific file in #2 that the visitor 
can play around with (but can't save over), rather than just linking to a plain 
text file


  This is a wish list, of course, but could be a very cool feature for 
new/potential users wanting to get their feet wet.



  Best,
  Abraham


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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-21 Thread tisimst 
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes-2 [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n200317...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> 
> Lilypond.org gets around 700 sessions per day, according to Google
> analytics.
>
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>
> I'm primarily responsible for LilyBin. A year or so ago, Timothy Gu
> (copied) and I got LilyPond running in AWS Lambda, which should be able to
> handle plenty of traffic. I get 266,667 seconds of free computation time
> per month from Amazon. We used 38,094 seconds in January for 18,398
> requests, meaning we should be able to handle—very roughly
> estimating—100,000 more requests per month. How many visitors does
> lilypond.org get?
>
> The LilyBin UI isn't made to be embeddable, but could be made so. I'd
> probably recommend just wiring up CodeMirror <http://codemirror.com/> and
> PDF.js <https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/> yourself rather than trying to
> show LilyBin in an iframe.
>
> I'll be happy to work with you if you want a LilyBin-powered demo on the
> home page!
>
> I love the idea of being able to let visitors try out LP code right there
when browsing the home page. I wonder if a dedicated subdomain (e.g.,
live.lilypond.org) would be more appropriate?

Here's what I'm thinking.

Each LP example in the docs has a real source file associated with it,
right? So,...

1. Put LilyBin functionality at live.lilypond.org
2. Put all the doc's source files in a directory structure that the new
site can access (ideally, through a web-navigate-able directory tree)
3. Place a "Try this live!" link next to each score example in the docs (or
the image hyperlink) that points to the specific file in #2 that the
visitor can play around with (but can't save over), rather than just
linking to a plain text file

This is a wish list, of course, but could be a very cool feature for
new/potential users wanting to get their feet wet.

Best,
Abraham




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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-20 Thread Phil Holmes 
Lilypond.org gets around 700 sessions per day, according to Google analytics.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Trevor 
  To: Federico Bruni ; David Kastrup 
  Cc: Timothy Gu ; LilyPond-User list 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]


  I'm primarily responsible for LilyBin. A year or so ago, Timothy Gu (copied) 
and I got LilyPond running in AWS Lambda, which should be able to handle plenty 
of traffic. I get 266,667 seconds of free computation time per month from 
Amazon. We used 38,094 seconds in January for 18,398 requests, meaning we 
should be able to handle—very roughly estimating—100,000 more requests per 
month. How many visitors does lilypond.org get?


  The LilyBin UI isn't made to be embeddable, but could be made so. I'd 
probably recommend just wiring up CodeMirror and PDF.js yourself rather than 
trying to show LilyBin in an iframe.


  I'll be happy to work with you if you want a LilyBin-powered demo on the home 
page!


  On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:52 PM Federico Bruni <f...@inventati.org> wrote:



Il giorno lun 13 feb 2017 alle 8:59, David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> ha
scritto:
> John Roper <johnroper...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>  For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed
>>  lilybin? If not I am not going to bother to try.
>
> Maybe crosscheck with the lilybin site owner?  I seem to vaguely
> remember that we don't link to it from the current LilyPond page
> because
> the site owner was worried about his traffic/hosting limits.
>
> Embedding lilybin would seem like even more of a traffic generator.
> Make no mistake: offering that facility would be nice, I am just not
> sure that the current hoster is prepared to deal with it.
>
>

I think that the problem was solved when Scott Miller offered a new
server for LilyBin:
https://plus.google.com/+ScottMiller1/posts/e4bAEUjvw36

I hope that Scott read this thread and can confirm (can't find his
personal email right now).




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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-20 Thread Trevor 
I'm primarily responsible for LilyBin. A year or so ago, Timothy Gu
(copied) and I got LilyPond running in AWS Lambda, which should be able to
handle plenty of traffic. I get 266,667 seconds of free computation time
per month from Amazon. We used 38,094 seconds in January for 18,398
requests, meaning we should be able to handle—very roughly
estimating—100,000 more requests per month. How many visitors does
lilypond.org get?

The LilyBin UI isn't made to be embeddable, but could be made so. I'd
probably recommend just wiring up CodeMirror  and
PDF.js  yourself rather than trying to
show LilyBin in an iframe.

I'll be happy to work with you if you want a LilyBin-powered demo on the
home page!

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:52 PM Federico Bruni  wrote:

>
>
> Il giorno lun 13 feb 2017 alle 8:59, David Kastrup  ha
> scritto:
> > John Roper  writes:
> >
> >>  For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed
> >>  lilybin? If not I am not going to bother to try.
> >
> > Maybe crosscheck with the lilybin site owner?  I seem to vaguely
> > remember that we don't link to it from the current LilyPond page
> > because
> > the site owner was worried about his traffic/hosting limits.
> >
> > Embedding lilybin would seem like even more of a traffic generator.
> > Make no mistake: offering that facility would be nice, I am just not
> > sure that the current hoster is prepared to deal with it.
> >
> >
>
> I think that the problem was solved when Scott Miller offered a new
> server for LilyBin:
> https://plus.google.com/+ScottMiller1/posts/e4bAEUjvw36
>
> I hope that Scott read this thread and can confirm (can't find his
> personal email right now).
>
>
>
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Re: LilyBin embedded [WAS: New LilyPond website]

2017-02-13 Thread Federico Bruni 



Il giorno lun 13 feb 2017 alle 8:59, David Kastrup  ha 
scritto:

John Roper  writes:


 For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed
 lilybin? If not I am not going to bother to try.


Maybe crosscheck with the lilybin site owner?  I seem to vaguely
remember that we don't link to it from the current LilyPond page 
because

the site owner was worried about his traffic/hosting limits.

Embedding lilybin would seem like even more of a traffic generator.
Make no mistake: offering that facility would be nice, I am just not
sure that the current hoster is prepared to deal with it.




I think that the problem was solved when Scott Miller offered a new 
server for LilyBin:

https://plus.google.com/+ScottMiller1/posts/e4bAEUjvw36

I hope that Scott read this thread and can confirm (can't find his 
personal email right now).





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