18.06.2003 19:02:27 James Peddycord wrote:
I am running into a problem trying to install SLES7 from scratch. After I
boot the ramdisk system, I am able to log on via SSH and do the insmod,
then when I do yast it hangs directly after I choose 'English' for the
language.
My system is a 2064 1C8
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No, apt-get only comes with Debian and Debian derived distributions (e.g.
Knoppix) . It relies on a repository format for holding all the DEB files
on central servers and Redhat and SuSE do not provide such repositories.
Apt-get removes what is for other distributions usualy a manual process -
David,
I am confused here. I am very new to this Linux stuff admittedly.
Just installed RedHad 9 on a lap top in the last month. Have this
young guy here who has grown up on Linux. With his help after
the install, I went to a site, entered a command (RPM) with some
flags, then did various apt
Without knowing what you did and where it is hard to comment.
David
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The SuSE SP2 maintenance CD is just out for SLES8. It looks like the cycle
is 6 months, not quarterly. The pattern so far from SuSE seems to be
SLES7 - nov
SP1 - may
SLES8 - nov
SP2 - jun (seems a bit late)
Hmmm. Have they finally managed to fix
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 04:47:38AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
Instruction sets, integer formats, address formats, addressing modes all
conspire against you.
Mosix and openmosix are only usable on machines with the same
architecture.
Here I believe is what I did:
rpm -Uvh *.rpm
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get dist-upgrade
At 12:31 PM 6/19/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Without knowing what you did and where it is hard to comment.
David
Brian France
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Tom Duerbusch wrote:
My tangent on this wasn't brute cpu power, it is on the cost of such power.
You know as well as I do, that it is very hard to justify mainframes
just on hardware cost. But when you consider the manpower cost and use
of the white area along with
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Brian France wrote:
David,
I am confused here. I am very new to this Linux stuff admittedly.
Just installed RedHad 9 on a lap top in the last month. Have this
young guy here who has grown up on Linux. With his help after
the install, I went to a site, entered a
Interesting thought. If it could be compiled for S/390 then in theory
one could compile winblows programs and run them on Linux/390, all other
things being equal...
Greg Smith wrote:
Froberg, David C wrote:
Folks,
Question about Wine. Can it run on S/390 arch. machines?
Doc seems to
Well the rpm command would install any rpm files in the current directory.
The apt-get sequence is the one I run (dist-upgrade only if needed) every
day to keep my box up to date. But I have never come across using it on a
non-Debian box.
David
Brian France
On Wednesday, 06/18/2003 at 03:41 EST, McKown, John
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Has anybody heard of any kind of compromise that exists when an OSA in
Linux
instead of routing via z/VM's TCPIP stack?
Is this just paranoia, John, or have you heard something? To my knowledge
there are no special or
I've haven't heard of anything. I have a change control to start using an
OSA in addition to our Cisco 7513 (on OS/390, z/VM Linux). Our security
expert put a hold on the changed due to an IBM whitepaper which
supposedly says that using an OSA can compromise security. He cannot produce
the
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:36, you wrote:
Interesting thought. If it could be compiled for S/390 then in theory
one could compile winblows programs and run them on Linux/390, all other
things being equal...
I think you'd need an emulation layer though. Perhaps a lookup table -
essentially what
HPAV is Hitachi's version of PAV (Parallel Access Volumes).
Am I to understand that PAV does not work with SLES7?
Is there any way around this problem?
Thanks,
Jim
Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
18.06.2003 19:02:27 James Peddycord wrote:
I am running into a problem trying to install SLES7 from
Some time ago, there is a discussion about PAV and Linux/390 in the list.
The last thing that i can remember it is Linux/390 can't be loaded from
PAV volume. Try search to find details.
WBR, Sergey
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An interesting background to the SCO suit.
http://www.forbes.com/2003/06/18/cz_dl_0618linux.html?partner=yahooreferrer=
Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
25 N. Via Monte Ave
Walnut
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, David Goodenough wrote:
Well the rpm command would install any rpm files in the current directory.
The apt-get sequence is the one I run (dist-upgrade only if needed) every
day to keep my box up to date. But I have never come across using it on a
non-Debian box.
rpm
I would be VERY interested if he can produce the document, I just looked
thru all IBM's white papers on OSA Security, and only found the opposite
situation, if you can convince him to produce, then let me know I will
take a look at it also.
Ken Dreger
At 07:48 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
What WINE does is intercept the Windows system calls.
(gross simplification) WINE runs on any x86 Unix because they
share the same instruction set. The Windows programs execute
whatever x86 code they contain, but when a system call is made
it traps to WINE and is handled with Unix resouces.
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Richard Troth wrote:
What WINE does is intercept the Windows system calls.
(gross simplification) WINE runs on any x86 Unix because they
share the same instruction set. The Windows programs execute
whatever x86 code they contain, but when a system call is made
it
These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community
should be paying more attention.
We're crunchies now? Hmmm. I wonder where that came from.
On Thursday 19 June 2003 09:46, you wrote:
An interesting background to the SCO suit.
Would you rather be chewies ? grin
Bob Richards
Technologist
Enterprise Infrastructure
SunTrust Banks, Inc.
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 08:29:53PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Brian France wrote:
David,
I am confused here. I am very new to this Linux stuff admittedly.
Just installed RedHad 9 on a lap top in the last month. Have this
young guy here who has grown up on
Perhaps it's from the military slang for infantry (i.e. the grunts who
do the dirty work).
Based on the sound made when a tank runs over infantry. :(
-jcf
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On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 10:23, John Ford wrote:
Perhaps it's from the military slang for infantry (i.e. the grunts who
do the dirty work).
Based on the sound made when a tank runs over infantry. :(
I believe it's got something to do with granola.
Because, you know, everyone who uses Linux is
I think it's short for Earthy-crunchy which is almost the same as
Tree-hugger.
Consider the source. The author obviously admires These guys in Utah who
lose millions on their products,
but have successfully extorted millions from companies who produce something
valuable.
-Original
I did not know that about rpm, thats obviously new since I last used it.
But of course with apt-get you only say apt-get install funny-package and
it will find the relevant version for your architecture and distribution,
and download it and any dependancies that are currently not installed (or
My experience with Paralell Access Volumes was that you could use them for
any volume but the one you IPL from, under SLES 7.1, 7.2
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Just in case anyone is interested --
Though this initial focus of this comparison seemed geared toward S390
Linux running in an LPAR and Linux on an x86, since I no longer have an
S390 Linux LPAR I ran the test under a few different VM guest machines.
The code I used is at the bottome of this
It's not wise to upset a wookie.
Scott Chapman
Richards.Bob
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I've always heard it explained as part of security teminology. crunchies
are outsiders trying to break in. chewies are insiders trying to keep them
out. It's rooted in something Steve Bellovin mentioned in a security talk
back in the dark ages (before AOL) that the ideal security setup had a
Possibly for the 1st run VM treated you as inteactive (Q1) but subsequent
runs showed VM you were more of a Q2/Q3 type and treated you as such.
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What I found strange was that the fatsest times (posted under Results1)
came off of the initial run. Subsequent runs were
Dont forget looking lovingly at handsome priests...
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According to the :The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2003 Denis
Howe
A Crunchy is a floppy disk... as extracted from the above.
3.5 inch floppies are less floppy than the larger disks
because they come in a stiff plastic envelope or case, hence
the alternative names stiffy or
Hello all,
We have users reporting problems getting into on of our linux servers,
output from ifconfig shows:
hsi0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet addr:146.125.x.x Mask:255.255.255.192
inet6 addr: fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/10 Scope:Link
UP RUNNING
I think that NT Server is the only supported version for non-Intel.
The specific problem with this is that none of the office products were ever ported.
They only work on Intel, and Alpha (Which has an Intel emulator built into the ROM).
In fact, most software for Windows only works on Intel.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 10:29:43AM -0500, Cox, Steve wrote:
I think it's short for Earthy-crunchy which is almost the same as
Tree-hugger.
Consider the source. The author obviously admires These guys in Utah who
lose millions on their products,
but have successfully extorted millions from
I think the person has next to no grasp of computer technology and probably
meant crackers even though that is wrong too.
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Would you
On my z/800, with a single IFL. Running SLES7 beta under z/VM. No other real
guests, other than the normal VM service machines.
time perl ./perl_bench.perl
real 0m13.875s
user 0m13.870s
sys 0m0.000s
--
John McKown
Senior Systems Programmer
UICI Insurance Center
Applications Solutions Team
Because, you know, everyone who uses Linux is a longhaired drug-addled
Marxist hippie. Probably of the ilk that *despises* Mom and apple pie,
and really prefers smoking burning American flags to smoking herb.
Having graduated from the University of California in 1969, I resemble that
My DASD is a Hitachi 9980V running in 2105 mode with HPAV enabled.
Linux knows nothing about PAV's of any sort and does NOT support them. A
possible explanation is that the interrupt may be reflected back to the
Linux guest at the wrong address and is being ignored by Linux.
Regards, Jim
Linux
We just bumped into what appears to be a kernel problem in SuSE SLES8 that goes up to
their latest package.
If I have an NFS mounted directory, and it contains a symbolic link that points to
itself, when I issue an 'ls' command, I get a series of kernel errors on the console,
and the system
On Thursday, 06/19/2003 at 07:48 EST, McKown, John
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I've haven't heard of anything. I have a change control to start using
an
OSA in addition to our Cisco 7513 (on OS/390, z/VM Linux). Our
security
expert put a hold on the changed due to an IBM whitepaper which
Title: Linux Is Not Ready For the Enterprise (Opinion)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/cmp/20030619/tc_cmp/10700411
Enderle has impressed me (slightly) over the years as being not the least
clueful of analysts (he says, perhaps damning with faint praise).
While I don't agree
I know there were early SLES8 NFS problems, fixed by subsequent patches.
Try putting on SP2 and see if the problem goes away ;-)
Regards, Jim
Linux S/390-zSeries Support, SEEL, IBM Silicon Valley Labs
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*** Grace Happens ***
I see your point. There are only two machines with 512M and up - one at
512M and the other at 700M. Four of the Linux machines have 128M and the
rest are 56M linux routers.
We are slated for a z800 in August. Since it comes with 8 gig (I think)
and our current OS/390 test and prod lpars only
AM
Please respond to
Linux on 390 Port
Title: Linux Is Not Ready For the Enterprise (Opinion)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/cmp/20030619/tc_cmp/10700411
Enderle has impressed me (slightly) over the years as being
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 10:14:59AM -0700, Jim Sibley wrote:
Though he does make a good point that the open source legal foundation has
yet to be adequately tested. SCO might acutally win in court, though they
have lost the technical battle!
SCO actually sues IBM on the ground that it owns
Not Solaris, since SUN has a different kind of license. But HP seems
vulnerable.
Note that SCO has stated that Solaris is clean.
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Nope. I put on all of SP2, including k_deflt-2.4.19-79, and it still fails.
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I know there were early
Running SuSE Enterprise version 8.
Our dasd is a IBM shark model 2105-F20: this is emulating 3390-3 disk
drives.
Our tape drives are on a IBM VTS model 3494-B10: this emulates 3590 Magstar
tape drives.
Not running VM - please I know, and I hope to get there soon but politics
are politics.
I
Alan writes:
...
Note that SCO has stated that Solaris is clean.
How can they possibly know? Or do they have access to the Solaris
source?
--henry schaffer
I don't know for sure, but I suspect that SCO has access to the source for all Unix
variants. I think this is part of the System V license.
When we did a port from System V we had to give ATT our source, and they diffed it
with their copy. They even made us undo one change.
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I would love to see someone do a compare on BSD vs what SCO has now
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I have backed up using DFDSS three device units (123d, 123e,
132f). I have
root filesystem on 123d. I am running LVM and I have
dedicated units 123e,
and 132f.
snip
Assuming that I shut down Linux again, if I mirror the device
unit 123d
(where the root filesystem is located) to another
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Ingo Adlung wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, John Summerfield wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Richard Troth wrote:
What WINE does is intercept the Windows system calls.
(gross simplification) WINE runs on any x86 Unix because they
share the same instruction set. The
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, David Goodenough wrote:
I did not know that about rpm, thats obviously new since I last used it.
Then it must be a very long time indeed since you used rpm. I don't ever
remember it being a new feature, and I've been using RHL since 3.0.3.
But of course with apt-get you
Hello from Gregg C Levine
I'll say. One of my staff read that over my shoulder, and howled with
laughter. WG Thank you for quoting from Star Wars: A new hope. That
comes from the scene in the lounge during the trip to deliver the
'droids.
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Sorry my error. I should have said how can I boot from 1116 - and I am
thinking about disaster / recovery where I have restored onto unit 1116 and
I cannot have already done a zipl because (in my hypothetical scenario) my
system is currently down.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Jarboe
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Matt Lashley/SCO wrote:
Just in case anyone is interested --
Though this initial focus of this comparison seemed geared toward S390
Linux running in an LPAR and Linux on an x86, since I no longer have an
S390 Linux LPAR I ran the test under a few different VM guest
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Fargusson.Alan wrote:
I think that NT Server is the only supported version for non-Intel.
Mine's Workstation. Suggests there are office products somewhere, even
if ancient.
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Cheers
John.
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Wolfe, Gordon W wrote:
Because, you know, everyone who uses Linux is a longhaired drug-addled
Marxist hippie. Probably of the ilk that *despises* Mom and apple pie,
and really prefers smoking burning American flags to smoking herb.
Having graduated from the
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, James Melin wrote:
I would love to see someone do a compare on BSD vs what SCO has now
There is still the difficulty of determining which predates the other.
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Alan Schilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/18/2003 01:36:52 PM:
I am trying to install SUSE SLES 8 via FTP and get to the point in the
boot
loader script that asks for type of install NFS, SAMBA, FTP or ABORT, I
enter 3 for FTP it then asks for my FTP server address and directory, ID
and
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Doug Fuerst wrote:
One of my application managers wants to know if LINUX can run native on a
z800 LINUX engine, or do we have to run zVM?
You can do it either way. As always, whether that's best depends. If at
some time a zBox falls into my price range, that's what I'd do.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 08:42:38PM -0400, Doug Fuerst wrote:
One of my application managers wants to know if LINUX can run native on a
z800 LINUX engine, or do we have to run zVM?
Yes, it's possible ...until they want Linux machine #16 and you don't
have any more LPARs to give them (until your
Bring it back to my question from a few weeks back...that was, how to
keep a Penguin farm, under the same set of updates:
When I did the YOU updates to one of the images a few weeks ago, I saved
the RPMs instead of deleting them. So, it seems to me that if I mounted
that disk in r/o mode for
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Tom Duerbusch wrote:
Bring it back to my question from a few weeks back...that was, how to
keep a Penguin farm, under the same set of updates:
When I did the YOU updates to one of the images a few weeks ago, I saved
the RPMs instead of deleting them. So, it seems to me
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