Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread J. Liles
With the advent of NSM, there's a better chance than ever for autoloaded sessions when working. One of the challenges of autoswitching between sessions is loading presets for that session. In, for example LV2rack, it starts, but presets have to be loaded manually, after it gets going. Is

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread J. Liles
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote: Am 3. März 2012 23:29 schrieb Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com: OSC this general language is the whole problem. you can't send OSC to an OSC capable plugin or an external OSC application in any generalized sense,

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread J. Liles
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote: Am 4. März 2012 11:14 schrieb J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote: There should at least be an accepted, standardized way for transmission of MIDI data over OSC !

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Albert Graef
On 03/04/2012 03:31 AM, David Robillard wrote: However, I doubt Ardour ever will, nor do I think it even should, support sequencing of events that are transmitted by some mechanism other than Jack. That would be a gigantic inconsistent mess for more reasons than I feel like listing, and trying

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Albert Graef
On 03/04/2012 03:47 AM, David Robillard wrote: I probably said this. Internally it's like Jack in most of the important places, i.e. the actual type of the event payload is pretty much irrelevant. The biggest problem to solve is the on-disk format. That shouldn't be a real problem. OSC is

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Paul Davis
On 3/4/12, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: I personally don't think that the way notes are encoded is the primary limitation imposed by MIDI. A note is a frequency, an attack/decay modulation, and a duration. apparently you're forgetting or have not been a part of the many debates with

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 4. März 2012 14:38 schrieb Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com: ... the problem for users is that it leaves the mappings unspecified, and although there are some clever solutions for this (several of them), from a user's perspective it always adds an extra layer of complexity. contrast

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 14:14 +0100, Albert Graef wrote: On 03/04/2012 03:47 AM, David Robillard wrote: I probably said this. Internally it's like Jack in most of the important places, i.e. the actual type of the event payload is pretty much irrelevant. The biggest problem to solve is the

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 08:17 +, parched2099 wrote: [...] An example is lv2rack with the IR lv2 plugin, which i've been testing in NSM. LV2rack comes up ok, but the preset i've built for a specific session doesn't automatically load. I assume this is the case when using something like

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 08:38 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On 3/4/12, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: I personally don't think that the way notes are encoded is the primary limitation imposed by MIDI. A note is a frequency, an attack/decay modulation, and a duration. apparently you're

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Louigi Verona
Guys, can you explain to me, who is not very well aware of OSC and MIDI debates, why not come up with at least a Linux Audio OSC standard for notes and just use that? -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread J. Liles
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:38 AM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 08:17 +, parched2099 wrote: [...] An example is lv2rack with the IR lv2 plugin, which i've been testing in NSM. LV2rack comes up ok, but the preset i've built for a specific session doesn't

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out! (Emanuel

2012-03-04 Thread Jeff McClintock
The chance for MIDI to improve seems very low, due to its technical limits. HD-Protocol MIDI is coming, albeit with painfully slow progress. Best Regards, Jeff ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, I don't know if LV2 supports this, but if it allows plugins to *SAVE* non-generic (that is to say, session specific) data wherever they want on the filesystem, then that, IMHO, is badly broken. There its not always LV2

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Albert Graef
On 03/04/2012 06:32 PM, David Robillard wrote: What do you mean by pick the OSC addresses that I want? I mean those symbols with the slashes that are the first part of any atomic OSC message like /foo/bar 4711.0. Usually such a symbol would denote the particular control that the value

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 12:37 -0800, J. Liles wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:38 AM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: [...] However, the new LV2 state stuff is specifically designed to allow self-contained archival/export with any session manager[1]. Hopefully a future version of IR

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 22:38 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote: Guys, can you explain to me, who is not very well aware of OSC and MIDI debates, why not come up with at least a Linux Audio OSC standard for notes and just use that? Chicken Egg problem. (Never trust a spec not actually used by anyone)

[LAD] OSC sequencer idea (was: Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!)

2012-03-04 Thread Stephen Sinclair
It seems this debate is how to represent OSC messages in a sequencer. I've thought about this before, and the idea I always had in my head was something tracker-like, where you would assign columns (or rows..) to a message path, and specify whether the arguments are ints, floats, etc. For each

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 16:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, I don't know if LV2 supports this, but if it allows plugins to *SAVE* non-generic (that is to say, session specific) data wherever they want on the filesystem,

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 22:27 +0100, Albert Graef wrote: On 03/04/2012 06:32 PM, David Robillard wrote: What do you mean by pick the OSC addresses that I want? I mean those symbols with the slashes that are the first part of any atomic OSC message like /foo/bar 4711.0. Usually such a symbol

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 4. März 2012 22:47 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net: On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 16:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: consider the SFZ file format. it refers to other audio samples. it doesn't require that the references

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 03/04/2012 09:27 PM, Albert Graef wrote: P.S.: Rui, apologies for hitchhiking your thread. I hope that you will forgive me over a glass of good Californian wine. ;-) no worries. given the length of the thread i think i'll take two please ;) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela

Re: [LAD] preset saving in sessions

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 23:17 +0100, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: Am 4. März 2012 22:47 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net: On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 16:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: consider the SFZ file format. it refers to other

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread Albert Graef
On 03/04/2012 11:26 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: no worries. given the length of the thread i think i'll take two please ;) Ok, granted. I'd even make that two bottles if you implement OSC tracks in Qtractor. ;-) Albert -- Dr. Albert Graf Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz,

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread michael noble
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Albert Graef dr.gr...@t-online.de wrote: On 03/04/2012 11:26 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: no worries. given the length of the thread i think i'll take two please ;) Ok, granted. I'd even make that two bottles if you implement OSC tracks in Qtractor. ;-)

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 09:40 +0900, michael noble wrote: [...] I'm chiming in late here, but it is a topic I've thought about a little having experimented in the domain. Given the open-endedness of OSC, I've always thought it makes more sense to implement some kind of plugin based translators,

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.4 - Echo Victor shouts out!

2012-03-04 Thread michael noble
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: I don't really grasp what you're getting at here, or what MIDI has to do with it, etc.  However, using plugins to process/filter/whatever OSC messages is natural (same thing for Jack apps).  You can use any event types