Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/24/2012 11:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: 3. Clearly defining the way an app should behave w.r.t. its File menu entries (when managed). This is quite intrusive to existing clients, but it is IMHO absolutley essential. Kudos to the designer(s) for the having the courage to do

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread Louigi Verona
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me that. in fact, in using FL Studio or Cubase or LMMS you have the same situation. a project

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread thijs van severen
2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me that. in fact, in using FL Studio or

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 12:02 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me that. in fact, in using FL Studio or Cubase

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com mailto:louigi.ver...@gmail.com my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample collection,

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 11:41 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 03/29/2012 12:02 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread thijs van severen
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com mailto:louigi.verona@gmail.**com louigi.ver...@gmail.com my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com mailto:louigi.ver...@gmail.com

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread thijs van severen
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammostola@**gmail.com rosea.grammost...@gmail.com On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 01:25 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote: 2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:42:03PM +0200, Giso Grimm wrote: Recently I made a recording (lute singing), partly with ADA8000, partly with RME Micstasy, both with the same Neumann mics, and I could barely hear the difference... Which is hardly suprising. ;) I've found the following quote on

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 29. März 2012 10:24 schrieb rosea.grammostola How easy or how difficult is it compared to JackSession for example, to add NSM support to an application? NSM is not more difficult. Look at the yoshimi patch: Include a class, add some handlers, set some options, that's it. You have to know

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 28. März 2012 20:53 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net: It's sooo complicated because it forces everything involved to use a special file finding and/or loading interface. wrong - apps only tell the SM about files used externally - that's all. It also requires that central store to

[LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
The discussion started, with the question about large files. Keep it simple - store either files or links in the session folder ? Why not ? Some more opinions please. -- E.R. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 29. März 2012 15:34 schrieb Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de: Back to life - back to reality 1. We start qtractor as part of a session, create some midi-tracks, include some external wav-files. Should the SM know about these external files, as I suggested ? (Allowing the user to find out basic

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 29. März 2012 13:16 schrieb thijs van severen IMHO making such a matrix is the only good way to make a decisions of any kind I disagree here: Session managers have different concepts. A simple matrix doesn't do it (show it). IMHO user _experience_ is most important. 1. is it stable and

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 03/29/2012 04:22 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: Am 29. März 2012 13:16 schrieb thijs van severen IMHO making such a matrix is the only good way to make a decisions of any kind I disagree here: Session managers have different concepts. A simple matrix doesn't do it (show it). IMHO user

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:27:42PM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: Yes, ADA8000 is based on Alesis (now WaveFront Semiconductors) A/D (AL1101), D/A (AL1201), an ADAT encoder (OptoGen AL1401) and an ADAT receiver (OptoRec AL1402). The ADA8000 is a copy of the RME AEB8-I (I had the scheme for it

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:27:42PM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: I've already posted the following blind test: http://adi.loris.tv/converters/ One device is Lynx Aurora 16, the other one is Behringer ADA-8000. No information was given whether A=Aurora and B=Behringer or vice versa, and

Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

2012-03-29 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 15:29 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: Am 28. März 2012 20:53 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net: It's sooo complicated because it forces everything involved to use a special file finding and/or loading interface. wrong - apps only tell the SM about files used

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Giso Grimm
On 03/28/2012 11:42 PM, Giso Grimm wrote: On 03/28/2012 11:25 PM, Adrian Knoth wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:03:24PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: [ADA-8000] other in 6U rack - just 1U space at the top and bottom. Three of them were fried. You only know when the damage is done. I've

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 09:09:26PM +0200, Giso Grimm wrote: Here you might listen, the same piece, same musicians, same place, same mics (Neumann KM184 pair), same positions, same lute (although it was at the luthier for repair in between), one was four month later, the words were changed a

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 09:09:26PM +0200, Giso Grimm wrote: Here you might listen, the same piece, same musicians, same place, same mics (Neumann KM184 pair), same positions, same lute (although it was at the luthier for repair in between), one was four month later, the words were changed a

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Giso Grimm
On 03/29/2012 10:28 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 09:09:26PM +0200, Giso Grimm wrote: Here you might listen, the same piece, same musicians, same place, same mics (Neumann KM184 pair), same positions, same lute (although it was at the luthier for repair in between), one

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 03/29/2012 02:44 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: Back to life - back to reality 1. We start qtractor as part of a session, create some midi-tracks, include some external wav-files. Should the SM know about these external files, as I suggested ? (Allowing the user to find out basic info about it.

Re: [LAD] HDSP 9652 and Behringer ADA8000

2012-03-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:51:57PM +0200, Giso Grimm wrote: I wonder, what is the link between preparing those files (which should not involve anything except editing and maybe getting the levels equal, i.e. no hardware involved at all), and that discovery ? no link at all, it just

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:23:30PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: otoh. now in particular, those GUI (file menu) restrictions that NSM is posing on applications is something i won't comply to any time soon, not even later. so sorry. it's way too restrictive to me and my own belongings.

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 03/29/2012 10:45 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:23:30PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: otoh. now in particular, those GUI (file menu) restrictions that NSM is posing on applications is something i won't comply to any time soon, not even later. so sorry. it's way too

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 22:23 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now back to square one. to make that whole session state, folder or directory, as an archival portable one is, quite frankly and imho again, utopian. nuff said :) It's indeed utopian to think that some centralized special magic

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread J. Liles
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:40 PM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 22:23 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now back to square one. to make that whole session state, folder or directory, as an archival portable one is, quite frankly and imho again, utopian. nuff said :)

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread J. Liles
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Rui Nuno Capela rn...@rncbc.org wrote: indeed. real life that is :) as far as qtractor is, all media content files, be that either audio or midi types, are ALL external files. it's true that some are created and edited under qtractor direct control, but they

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-03-29 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 18:29 -0700, J. Liles wrote: [...] Currently, when you drag n' drop an external audio file into a Non-DAW timeline (as opposed to recording it from within Non-DAW), the file remains external with its path recorded in the project's journal. Using a symlink for this would