Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Louigi Verona
Guys, I read about JACK Session, tried it out. It does seem very capable. And if more apps add support (which, as people say in this discussion, is not that difficult), wouldn't JACK Session be a good, stable way to restore sessions? After all, JACK is a basic thing for Linux Audio and adding

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 4. April 2012 08:11 schrieb Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com: Am I missing something here? Yes, search the archives. or visit http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/user/emrum/jack_session_2_draft to see, what NSM tries to improve, by imposing some meaningful rules.

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be split in levels of compliance and restrictiveness, so to speak: - level 0 :- clients just store/retrieve their own private state from a supplied and independent session sub-directory; no GUI File menu

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 04/04/2012 12:18 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be split in levels of compliance and restrictiveness, so to speak: - level 0 :- clients just store/retrieve their own private state from a supplied and independent

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 02:22 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 04/04/2012 12:18 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be split in levels of compliance and restrictiveness, so to speak: - level 0 :- clients just store/retrieve their own

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Am 4. April 2012 11:18 schrieb rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com: How much more effort will it be in terms of coding, to implement 'level-1' versus 'level-0'? For anyone who prefers to work with apps-do-whatever-they-want appraoch or

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 01:25:02PM +, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: For anyone who prefers to work with apps-do-whatever-they-want appraoch or we-have-zero-to-X-support-levels-so-you-dont-know-what-to-expect , there are alternatives: JackSession, Lash, Ladish. I would prefere at least *one* SM

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 03:51 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: if ever I add session management to any app then that app will obey the NSM rules or very similar ones if the session manager is not NSM - it is the obvious thing to do if you want something that works. Could you elaborate your reasons for this,

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 04/04/2012 01:35 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/04/2012 02:22 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 04/04/2012 12:18 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be split in levels of compliance and restrictiveness, so to speak: -

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 04:39 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Another question. If you compare NSM level 0 (!) with JackSession. Which session manager do you prefer and why? well, NSM level 0 adds nothing to what JSM already delivers. sorry for the noise :) the once self-called uber-procrastinator says:

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 04:55 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/04/2012 04:39 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Another question. If you compare NSM level 0 (!) with JackSession. Which session manager do you prefer and why? well, NSM level 0 adds nothing to what JSM already delivers. sorry for the noise :)

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 04/04/2012 03:55 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/04/2012 04:39 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Another question. If you compare NSM level 0 (!) with JackSession. Which session manager do you prefer and why? well, NSM level 0 adds nothing to what JSM already delivers. sorry for the noise :)

[LAD] What 16chan sound card

2012-04-04 Thread Gerald Mwangi
Hi guys, I want to buy a usb sound card with the following specs: 16 input channels : at least 8 Mic ins, the rest line ins, intrument ins or ADAT ins (optical) no spdif output channels: 8 would be nice but not a must price: 300-350 € I have these on my list:

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Rui Nuno Capela rn...@rncbc.org wrote: On 04/04/2012 12:18 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be split in levels of compliance and restrictiveness, so to speak: - level 0 :- clients

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 05:46 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 04/04/2012 03:55 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/04/2012 04:39 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Another question. If you compare NSM level 0 (!) with JackSession. Which session manager do you prefer and why? well, NSM level 0 adds nothing to

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 04:37:59PM +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote: Could you elaborate your reasons for this, for those who don't see this as obvious? I could. But it wouldn't help anyone. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream,

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 04/04/2012 05:19 PM, J. Liles wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Rui Nuno Capela rn...@rncbc.org mailto:rn...@rncbc.org wrote: On 04/04/2012 12:18 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: On 04/03/2012 07:04 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: now, i could suggest NSM API to be

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 04/04/2012 05:19 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: ... On that topic I conclude that Qjackctl doesn't support infra clients by purpose and that I don't see it happen that there will be another GUI who does support in the near future. wait, it's not by purpose but just overlooked ok?

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 08:51 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 04/04/2012 05:19 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: ... On that topic I conclude that Qjackctl doesn't support infra clients by purpose and that I don't see it happen that there will be another GUI who does support in the near future. wait, it's

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 09:59 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: But of course, this are not the only reason to prefer one SM above the other. As mentioned in my previous mails, there are arguments for me atm to say that NSM gives a user more then JackSession (even with the hypothetical level-0). NSM seems to

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:19:57AM -0700, J. Liles wrote: Are you seriously saying that the equivalent of doing: if ( nsm_is_active ) save_here( file ); else save_there( file ); Would require a complete rewrite and overhaul of your application? Say you don't want to do

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread David Robillard
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 21:59 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote: [...] I think it's essential to the discussion to get the cards on the table, so everybody can make up his own mind and decides which SM is the best solution for the Linuxaudio session puzzle. It would be nice if we could reach

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:19:57AM -0700, J. Liles wrote: Are you seriously saying that the equivalent of doing: if ( nsm_is_active ) save_here( file ); else save_there( file ); Would require

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.orgwrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:19:57AM -0700, J. Liles wrote: Are you seriously saying that the equivalent of doing: if ( nsm_is_active )

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 04/04/2012 11:22 PM, David Robillard wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 21:59 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote: [...] I think it's essential to the discussion to get the cards on the table, so everybody can make up his own mind and decides which SM is the best solution for the Linuxaudio session

Re: [LAD] NSM - handling large files

2012-04-04 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 18:04 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: [...] ardour gets all its stuff under one own session directory, on a per session/project basis, iirc just like NSM mandates, bbbuut...:) making that one and the same directory as from an outsider/independent session manager