On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
I believe that studies have been done with dynamic menus. They found that
it was confusing to have the menus rearrange. Humans get used to looking
for the same thing in one place, and if the place changes and we have to
look for it, it is an
How bout xpatch (as in cross)
or npatch (as in multiple)
Why change? Personally I like LAAGA. But maybe that's for being
dutch, and used to the double-A.
mAArten
ljp wrote:
7/26/2001 23:30:38, Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why don't I make my libraries available as RPMs or debian packages?
Because I have better things to do with my development time than
rebuilding, reuploading, re-doing a web page every time I fix a bug in
a library. Thats
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:37:18AM +0100, Nick Bailey wrote:
(cut)
time now. I've even just bought some hardware (a twin K7 1.2GHz with an RME
soundcard amongst other things) to run it on! If it was a higher-level library than
(cut)
Hi,
I'm about to buy a new computer too and i was thinking
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:54:09AM +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Richard Dobson said:
and, wherever possible, ensure that the most frequently performed tasks
(which may be the most argued-over parameter, of course) require the
least number of steps. A sub-menu requires at least four,
On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:24:30PM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
Not Another Wire (NAW) :) (Hook your DAW with NAW)
YAAF (BBTM)
Yet Another Audio Framework (But Better Than Most)
Yard, Yet Anther Rewire Duplicate ;)
Plug, Plug Links User
User interfaces need to be intuitive.
#1 priority - preferably with:
the main (if not all) tasks right in front of you.
well-designed icons that lead you to the task directly.
For linux
applications it is better to satisfy the 90
percentile. Bells and whistles should be left to
Steve Harris wrote:
Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
Wow!!! This is wonderful.
Alba is the italian word for dawn. It seems good wishing
My vote is for ALBA (Audio Linking by Alba)
--
Abramo Bagnara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Opera Unica Phone:
Richard Guenther wrote:
Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
one and a half year - this will not happen.
Both you and Paul feel the same way on that topic. I don't hold it
against you either.
I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more
Abramo Bagnara wrote:
Steve Harris wrote:
Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
Wow!!! This is wonderful.
Alba is the italian word for dawn. It seems good wishing
My vote is for ALBA (Audio Linking by Alba)
Isn't also a quote from Napoleon?
Also I think you are biased because it rhymes with
I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more important
than the individual apps. Each one has different strong points. Things
progress so much faster with the sound editors if we combined these
ideas.
That is where the true value of the Gimp lies. It's not the useful gui
design
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
POSA
Paul's Own Sound Architecture
now *that* made me laugh ...
true, but i wonder if taybin has any idea of quite why, since i think
i do (given your understanding of the cortina mk.III situation) ...
Err, (Paul) Newmann's Own Salad Dressing?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
The next best alternative is code that statistacally keeps track of how
often commands etc are used, then its sent back so people can see what the
most frequent operations are and how they distribute between different
users.
Seems uncomfortably
The library of useful ideas for each project are reasonably sized but
nothing as extensive as the code base for win or mac editors. But if we
had combined them all from the start then we would already have a very
strong editing suite. How unrealistic is it? Is that posibility just too
fantastic?
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
I believe that studies have been done with dynamic menus. They found that
it was confusing to have the menus rearrange. Humans get used to looking
for the same thing in one place, and if the place
Richard Dobson wrote:
[lots of reasonable stuff snipped...]
'Intuitive' is a wonderfully useless (and much abused) (non-)technical
term, as it invariably means different things to different people,
because, strangely enough, people learn to wotk (and think) in different
ways. Nothing is
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:08:12PM +0100, Iain Sandoe wrote:
order. [Iain rates the probability approx. = 0.5 * sqrt(bugger all) ]
Possibly a bit of a high estimate ;)
an Audio HIG?
I would be nice, but even getting people to agree on simple things, is
hard in the UNIX world. eg. what the
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:57:01AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
Now, if someone produced a library that supported playlist editing in
C in a way that could be easily integrated into (1) other languages
(2) programs with different goals, there would be chance at
cooperation, since we'd stand more
Err, (Paul) Newmann's Own Salad Dressing?
Now I'm confused, why does Paul Newmann have salad dressing. Isn't he an
actor?
He put a bunch of his money into a salad dressing company; the profits
all go to the Scott Newmann foundation (in memory of his son, who died
very young -- I think
I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking any
licenses (by clever dynamic linking if necessary) could a DirectX, VST, MAS
or TDM wrapper/adapter be written for it (if any of these provide a
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking any
licenses (by clever dynamic linking if necessary) could a DirectX, VST, MAS
or TDM
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
I would point out here that snd has had the same kind of capabilities
as the GIMP in the realm of audio for many years now. One might argue
even more power, given that it uses Guile for the scripting language.
Yet nobody (well, OK, very few people)
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Richard Guenther wrote:
Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
one and a half year - this will not happen.
Both you and Paul feel the same way on that topic. I don't hold it
against you either.
I would like
Hi,
I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more important
than the individual apps. Each one has different strong points. Things
progress so much faster with the sound editors if we combined these
ideas.
Yeah thats it and sometimes two different philosophies can't be just
Greetings:
Someone mentioned that 'alba' is Italian for 'dawn'. Just FYI, the
alba (or aubade) was a troubadour or trouvere song form used by a
look-out to awaken lovers before the dawn, i.e., before their spouses
could figure out what they were up to. Ah, the Middle Ages, how I miss
'em...
Richard Guenther wrote:
Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
one and a half year - this will not happen.
I think it does happen... AFAICT, Boris Nagels disappeared off the 'net sometime
after promising to open-source Multitrack, but before actually doing so. You
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:42:48AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
Someone mentioned that 'alba' is Italian for 'dawn'. Just FYI, the
alba (or aubade) was a troubadour or trouvere song form used by a
look-out to awaken lovers before the dawn, i.e., before their spouses
could
Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:24:30PM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
Not Another Wire (NAW) :) (Hook your DAW with NAW)
YAAF (BBTM)
Yet Another Audio Framework (But Better Than Most)
Yard, Yet Anther Rewire Duplicate
- Original Message -
From: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2001 10:57
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] User Interface
jesus man you're hilarious ; )
When its easy, I get a nice warm feeling all over. When its
difficult, I end up being
- Original Message -
From: Taybin Rutkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2001 10:51
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] what's wrong with glame
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
I believe that
Taybin wrote:
But that menu would be rearranging, so it would be slower to use it. Now,
I would suggest connecting the redo, or some do again command to the
last action taken. The user always knows what he did, and always knows
where the do again command is located. This would be most helpful
British humour tends to be very dry, but I don't think much of it gets
exported, when it is, its usually misunderstood (I should know).
It is proper that one should refrain from talking of which cultures of
our world don't quite un_der_stand.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Manager Boost Hardware.
On Friday 27 July 2001 11:37, you wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking
any licenses (by clever dynamic linking if
JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Just wait till version 6.35 :-)
Sebastien
- Original Message -
From: Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA name
Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at
A few people have got LADSPA support working on Windows already. After all,
it's all ANSI C except for the dlopen() mechanism which can be replaced
trivially with the DLL mechanism. The suggestion to drop the L has been
made, but I think it should stay.
However, some might see it a bit rude to
This was just posted on the OS-X core audio list
Kudos to who ?
I just came across a paper detailing audio latency on various desktop
operating
systems. MacOS X was second best without load and the best performing
system
with load. 2.83 ms under load is very impressive. The link is:
Le Fri, 27 Jul 2001, vous avez écrit :
Yup, that seems to be a part audacity needs to be extended - ladspa
support is quite important these days.
Hello, I would like to take the occasion to talk about something I feel is
needed.
One cruel thing is that there is no inter-applications presets
- Original Message -
From: Richard W.E. Furse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: [linux-audio-dev] Wrappers and LAAGA
However, some might see it a bit rude to take their Linux plugins and
compile them for Windows and because of
On Friday 27 July 2001 14:07, you wrote:
This was just posted on the OS-X core audio list
Kudos to who ?
I just came across a paper detailing audio latency on various desktop
operating
systems. MacOS X was second best without load and the best performing
system
with load. 2.83
so why don't we use the ALT key as the copy/cut/paste modifier?
What's wrong with C-w, M-w and C-y? ;-).
ccb
--
Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems
Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300
+1 617 543-6513
Look this may have got out-of-hand (it was meant to be an illustration of a
point rather than a Very Important Thing).
so why don't we use the ALT key as the copy/cut/paste modifier?
What's wrong with C-w, M-w and C-y? ;-).
the same argument about stretching applies (at least on the kbds I
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Sébastien Métrot wrote:
However, some might see it a bit rude to take their Linux plugins and
compile them for Windows and because of this I've not encouraged spread to
other platforms. What do folk think? I wouldn't mind for my CMT plugins.
I think
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Linium wrote:
One cruel thing is that there is no inter-applications presets system for the
ladspa plugins.
Presets are quite usefull for all sort of reasons:
-They are nice starting points for further tweakings.
-It's immediate, you don't want to adjust all the
Hehe, I can see it know 'You haven't used pro-audio tools on linux, well
let me tell you buddy, you don't know JACK :)
Rick
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Sébastien Métrot wrote:
JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Just wait till version 6.35 :-)
Sebastien
- Original Message
Sébastien Métrot wrote:
Isn't it exactely the job of the main X Desktop providers to reach an
agreement about where such specs should be placed in the users directory and
what format it should be? (I'm becoming a big fan of xml for such kind of
settings files but wahtever will do as long as
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
It's important to also save mulitple plugins. Save the order of a chain.
And some programs also support networks where the plugin's aren't
necessarily connected in a linear a-b-c manner. Maybe
$LADSPA_PATH/networks/?
This might not be practical
On the subject of:
JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Rick writes:
Hehe, I can see it know 'You haven't used pro-audio tools on linux, well
let me tell you buddy, you don't know JACK :)
this is so good, so very, very good it almost makes me want to run:
sed -e 's/laaga/jack/g' -e
Hi,
I have for some time wondered why reading two big (and identical) files
takes the double time of comparing them... today I found the cause :-)
Linux limits the read ahead to 1+31 pages (á 4096 bytes = 128 kB) with
modern HD this is read quickly (4.3 ms, with 30 MB/s) then the head has to
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
Another couple of questions regarding LAAGA.Would this allow softsynths to
be synchronised with audio to sample accuracy? And how would one go about
bouncing their output to a hard disk recorder such as Ardour? What tools are
Maarten had written an FLTK client for LAAGA:
It is a very simple example, it's your ae_client.c with a slider to control
the gain.
I just added it to the laaga source base. It seems to work flawlessly
here. So I suspect some library issues, or something like that.
Very strange.. Which
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