Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 07:28:53AM -0800, Joshua Haberman wrote: From the comparison: Sample buffering is the process of loading a small part of each sample into the installed RAM to play back instantly when a note on a keyboard is struck. By pre-loading a small amount of the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Didn't we come up with some good ammo in case anyone decided to sue? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. For the discerning hardware connoisseur Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide Being on stage with the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 06:44:10 +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Didn't we come up with some good ammo in case anyone decided to sue? It looks like the patent is held by Rockwell (yes, that Rockwell). If so, it's called EndlessWave: http://www.nemesysmusic.com/support/faq.html#q14 It says on the

[linux-audio-dev] Re: OSX

2002-11-11 Thread Bill Schottstaedt
it's much easier to port from Un*x to OSX than vice versa. A far greater number of *nix libraries have been ported from the *nix world to OSX than the other way around. You can even run X windows on OSX I think OroboroSX, or some such name, is an X window manager for OSX that makes X apps

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: Prior art doesn't seem to be very useful in defending against patents for some reason (IANAL of course). The recent British Telecom v's W3C fiasco was won on the grounds that the BT patent's system operated in a different way to the Web, rather than because of prior art (which

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Paul Davis
Steve Harris wrote: Prior art doesn't seem to be very useful in defending against patents for some reason (IANAL of course). The recent British Telecom v's W3C fiasco was won on the grounds that the BT patent's system operated in a different way to the Web, rather than because of prior art (which

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Steve Harris
[on nemesys patent issues, from Sound On Sound] Sadly, this [HALion's disk prechaching] has caused rumblings behind the scenes about possible patent infringement, since Nemesys are the exclusive MI licensee of Conexant Systems Inc, whose Endless Streaming technology has US and International

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Paul Davis
Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything? i asked karl steinberg. he was unwilling to say anything about it.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Tim Goetze
Paul Davis wrote: in this light, claiming the patented idea is either original or new is nonsensical. this is a misunderstanding of how the patent system works in all countries that i know anything about. you don't get a patent on an idea. you get a patent on the application of an idea to a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Paul Davis
Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything? i suspect from what i'm learnt from my patent attorney friend that the amount of data cached issue that the Giga article dismissively refers to in reference to Halion is actually precisely what Steinberg did. they changed the parameters of

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread David Burrows
Forgive me for sounding rather naive, but anyway. If you come up with an idea, blissfully unaware that there is a patent on it. How can that patent be valid? For example, as a programmer and audio enthusiast I have never even heard of Gigasampler or Halion. However, I have come to the logical

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 09:48:37 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything? i suspect from what i'm learnt from my patent attorney friend that the amount of data cached issue that the Giga article dismissively refers to in reference to Halion is actually

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Paul Davis
If you come up with an idea, blissfully unaware that there is a patent on it. How can that patent be valid? because that's how patents work. first-to-file, first-to-publish, all that stuff. all that's need (in the US at least) is for a patent examiner is to agree that the patent claims are

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Sebastien Metrot
I think I allready told the audience here about it but nobody seemed to listen :-). A good friend of mine works for steinberg. He worked (and still works) on Halion. He told me that steinberg only proved previous work with the cubase audio engine as cubase allready cache audio in ram and is a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread David Burrows
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Paul Davis wrote: Bottom line, screw them and their patent. Let them send their lawyers after you, who cares. their lawyers could potentially bankrupt you if what you were doing represented a threat to the income they expected to derive from the patent. if thats OK with

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Benno Senoner
Don't worry David, I think we are wasting our precious time with these talks (but it is interesting anyway :-) ) Regarding source and binary code: Being or app opensource, we have the advantage that the source code does not constitute a runnable application and this provides several legal

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Looking for some PR stuff related to Jack

2002-11-11 Thread Marcus Andersson
Ivica Bukvic wrote: 1.) What is the lowest stable achievable latency with the current stable (2.4) branch of the kernel (with ll and preempt patches) using Alsa on a modern system (i.e. at least 1GHz machine)? 1.5ms 2.) What is the lowest stable achievable latency utilizing

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Mark Knecht wrote: scared the US entertainment industry so much. Our Legislative Branch then fell prey to US business interests and created law specifically to address these issues with respect to digitally formatted property. Even though it might have been 'legally

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] JACK Rack 1.0

2002-11-11 Thread Tim Goetze
Bob Ham wrote: I'm pretty sure gtk 1 and 2 can co-exist. The X session that I'm writing this in has evolution (gtk 1) and gnome 2 running, so in fact, I'd say it's a certainty :) yep, they do coexist nicely. provided you have enough ram to host both of them ... which i don't think i have. :(

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] JACK Rack 1.0

2002-11-11 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 10:36:11 +, Lea Anthony wrote: Hey! Looking good! I was thinking, I've done a fair amount of GFX coding. Would there be any benefit in creating some sort of GUI toolkit that was bitmap based, so apps could look like their windows counterparts and be skinned?

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread Mark Knecht
In the spirit of full disclosure, I am not a lawyer, am a multiple patent holder in the US and Japan (not sure about the EU) and am only speaking from experience. My opinions are my own and do not represent any form of legal guidance. Patent holder?? GET HIM! Good thing you didn't post

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] JACK Rack 1.0

2002-11-11 Thread Lea Anthony
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 23:59, Steve Harris wrote: Its not the app that needs skinning per se, its the plugins, there is a proposed GUI standard (LCP), but its not really implemented, there are 2 GUIs, but no host to support them. Where is this standard? -Lea.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] JACK Rack 1.0

2002-11-11 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 23:59, Steve Harris wrote: Its not the app that needs skinning per se, its the plugins, there is a proposed GUI standard (LCP), but its not really implemented, there are 2 GUIs, but no host to support them. Where is this standard? this message (uncharacteristically for

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] JACK Rack 1.0

2002-11-11 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 12:57:28AM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: I'm pretty sure gtk 1 and 2 can co-exist. The X session that I'm writing yep, they do coexist nicely. provided you have enough ram to host both of them ... which i don't think i have. :( bummer :/

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war

2002-11-11 Thread David Gerard Matthews
Mark Knecht wrote: Patent holder?? GET HIM! Good thing you didn't post on slashdot. Taybin LOL!! Well, my name is on a number of patents, including one (#6,457,152) accepted by the Patent Office a few weeks ago. (Also post-1996 - #6,356,099, #6,240,480, Pre-1996 I just don't