On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:41:10 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
If you can't code, and can't help out in more concrete ways (testing and
documentation etc.), but still want to help, by all means go out there
and promote, organize, help out in other ways, that's great. But don't
expect
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:10:35 -0700, Michael Ost wrote:
I'm with a company trying to make money off of linux audio. While I
enjoy the technical/academic discursion (though lots get the
subject-line only review! %), I'd like to think this list could support
those who mix the market with
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:22:12 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
plugin, show your GUI now. (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
know, which isn't very much yet).
On Thursday 10 June 2004 02.53, Tim Hockin wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:39:15PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
But then you either have to click and drag up, click and drag up, click
and drag up and so on because the motion is too slow, or you can't make
no, I click and hold as long as I
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:33:19AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
It seems like there are as many preferences as users. How about
~/.knobrc ;)
Or how about libknob? I know, this sounds silly, but if we extend that
Idea, we have libladstandards. Things like dB-level-color mappings,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aarggg - knobs. One of my pet peeves. Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even knobs. I think
this was the point he was
I like this idea; Adding an OpenGL spectrogram to Meterbridge...
...By the way, are there any 31-band EQ's for JACK... That also sounds
like a cool idea...
-tewner
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:29:08 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Jussi Laako wrote:
a
Dave Robillard wrote:
I think we've (perhaps?) finally figured out that we can't really
have a standard-LAD-GUI-elements-set. It will just turn into
another LADSPA-GUI war, nothing will get decided, and nothing
will get done.
But as far as I understand, it's not about GUI-elemt toolkits but
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knobs_02.png
3d rendering variatios
http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knob_3d_1-2-3.jpg
very nice! I most like the svg ones for the cleaner look.
But
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:11:33PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Just as if i said: There something magical about the sound of pipe
organs. No wonder they're called the kings of all musical instruments.
We have tried to model one such pipe organ as close as possible so that
you can enjoy
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Uwe Koloska wrote:
But there comes another handling problem:
some people have opted for linear movement (I too think radial
movement is intuitive but mostly unusable -- normal mouse movement
is linear) but then I think we need both directions:
-
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:16:00AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:44:49 +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote:
if i try out a new VST plug i open its GUI. with the GUI i get a nice
and compact look of all its controls.
If i want to use the plugin i resort to rebuilding
That's cool and all, but what about the RS-101?
What happened to Ultramaster? They had some cool looking stuff that I
never got a chance to use.
On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 10:59:29AM +0200, Frank NEUMANN wrote:
Hi all,
some might remember that two years ago (or so) there was a nice (though
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:35:38PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:27:03AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:41:10 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Heck, I write programs I don't even release because I'm too lazy (ie
this: http://chat.carleton.ca/~drobilla/patchbay.png).. PR isn't even on
the radar screen.
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:56:13PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:06:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe. I have no particular objections, but the UI should be free to
ignore it I think. The old-school X11 -geometry seems like a good starting
place. e.g.
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:02:30PM +0100, Mike Rawes wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:20:41 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:21:25AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:06:16 -0500, Jan Depner wrote:
This is exactly the point I was trying
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:41:47PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 20:22, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
I see what you're saying, and don't get me wrong - I didn't mean to
imply it's an easy thing to do. But it is
On 09 Jun 2004 21:10 , Michael Ost [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
I don't think I could possibly care less who uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we should be aiming
to build the best system possible, period.
There is chasm both broad and deep between
plugin, show your GUI now
and an actual implementation of such functionality.
Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
simple, UNDERcomplicated solutions. If you make its easy to do almost
everything and possible
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:56, Arnold Krille wrote:
Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
and then let everyone implement it in his/her
Oh well, just read through the more than 30 mails ...
Thanks to Arnold, Marek, Tim Hockin, Benno, Uwe, Tim Orford
for the nice words.
Thanks to everyone for the interest.
About a standard toolkit:
The general desktop toolkits do not adress some special needs
of audio apps, that's clear.
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 21:54, Dave Robillard wrote:
} On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:25, Dan Harper wrote:
} Also, it's just not natural for me to move my mouse in a circle, the
} natural movement of my hand is not a circle, try to draw a perfect
} circle in the Gimp sometime by mouse! This
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 16:12, Jan Depner wrote:
}
} I think you're only considering red/green colorblindness. I've been
} doing GUIs for 26 years and boy do I get bitches about color. It's
} their favorite whine.
I've been doing color since '77.. If you ever need assistance...
--
If
{Sgi... digital performer} Maybe } you could use both color and space.
I guess that's OpenGL Performer now.
--
If I had saxophones / Big baritone, cleanin' up the muddy breaks
If I had Saxophones / I could get some recognition from
that Mobile Alabama DJ{J.Buffet}
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:10, Michael Ost wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
I don't think I could possibly care less who uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we should be aiming
to build the best system possible, period. Not
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 02:27, Steve Harris wrote:
If John Q. Hacker cared about PR, he wouldn't be that much of a hacker
would he? :)
Heh. Lazyness, Imapatience and Hubris.
Guilty as charged. More like riled up by Marek and spouting his mouth
off though. :)
Heck, I write programs I
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:49:57AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
that into account.
why do you think no one would bother ?
there is XEMBED and if if the
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:02:30PM +0100, Mike Rawes wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:20:41 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
galan has:
left click - up down movement
right click - knob points to mouse
middle click is still undefined ... what shall i
At Harrison we decided to avoid knobs altogether. Instead we use
short, fat faders (OK there are a few knob things just to look
different) That worked out pretty well. My preferences are:
left-click for linear (up down) adjustment
right-click for fine adjust
middle-click to return to
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:25:15PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
and then let everyone implement it in
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:22:24 +0100
Chris Cannam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:19:44PM +0100, Mike Rawes wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:02:30PM +0100, Mike Rawes wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:20:41 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
galan has:
left click - up down movement
right click - knob points
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 06:39, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:10, Michael Ost wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
I don't think I could possibly care less who uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we should be aiming
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 05:33, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Uwe Koloska wrote:
But there comes another handling problem:
some people have opted for linear movement (I too think radial
movement is intuitive but mostly unusable -- normal mouse movement
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 06:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:27:03AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:41:10 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Heck, I write programs I don't even release because I'm too lazy (ie
this:
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 06:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:35:38PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 07:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 09 Jun 2004 21:10 , Michael Ost [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
I don't think I could possibly care less who uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 07:28, Paul Davis wrote:
There is chasm both broad and deep between
plugin, show your GUI now
and an actual implementation of such functionality.
Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
simple, UNDERcomplicated solutions. If
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:25:15PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and
At Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:50:19 +0200,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i dont see a problem. there is knob code for every toolkit on
sourceforge. lets unify the gfx data have a widget for every toolkit.
votes++
[pb]
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:54, Michael Ost wrote:
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 06:39, Dave Robillard wrote:
That nice you think I should want proprietary software to get developed
for linux. Well, I don't. IMHO that amounts to throwing away the
single advantage we have, which sounds pretty stupid
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:22:55PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
That was exactly Dave's point. Marek wants some kind of we thing going on.
He wants us all to march off in solidarity in the direction he chooses and it
just doesn't work that way. You want to make money, I don't care,
Hello again!
The discussion about linear or radial mouse movement for
knobs finaly got me to mockup an idea i had in my mind
for sometime already.
For now I call it fan sliders:
http://wrstud.urz.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-06-10_fan_slider_01.png
It's all about concept, not style.
The
Marek Peteraj:
Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my
programs are deemed as sucessful, they work for me, and handful of other
people - this makes me happy :)
I'd like to see what other developers of the most popular linux audio
projects think. Because if
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:09:08PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
Tim Hockin: please elaborate about velocity sensitve knobs like
used by OhmForce.
When you move the mouse slowly, you get very fine control. When you move
it faster, the control gets coarser. So you can move a knob from 0.0 to
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:40:33PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Not that I wasn't being truthful though - I really don't want
proprietary software anywhere around here (freedom's pretty much all we
have), but that's just one man's opinion, take it or leave it.
I'm happy to have the freedom to
And no, linux audio is definitely not perfectly unusable for me.
Quite the contrary; pd, supercollider, snd, ladspa, alsa, jack and the
very low-latish kernel make it to be a very usable platform for creative
work you can't do in other OS's.
i would seriously be interested to know what those
Tim Hockin:
I know Linux people love to claim how choice is our strength, but I think
it's bunk. Linux needs a single GUI environment that has a lot of deep
flexibility
Yes! I completely agree with this.
(and I don't mean Scheme config files :)
Oh...
:)
--
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 13:03, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
Hello again!
The discussion about linear or radial mouse movement for
knobs finaly got me to mockup an idea i had in my mind
for sometime already.
For now I call it fan sliders:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:50:19PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why dont we specify behaviour and a gfx format for control animations
and then implement the widgets for gtk and qt ?
Brilliant, but get every aspect of the behavior down. For example,
something that no one has discussed yet:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:19:10AM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
When you move the mouse slowly, you get very fine control. When you move
it faster, the control gets coarser. So you can move a knob from 0.0 to
1.0 quickly with a fast mouse gesture, or you can move it from 0.5 to 0.6
very
The discussion about linear or radial mouse movement for
knobs finaly got me to mockup an idea i had in my mind
for sometime already.
For now I call it fan sliders:
http://wrstud.urz.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-06-10_fan_slider_01.png
[ ... ]
I think that's a really good idea..
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:40:33PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Not that I wasn't being truthful though - I really don't want
proprietary software anywhere around here (freedom's pretty much all we
have), but that's just one man's opinion, take it or leave it.
I'm happy to have the freedom to
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 08:02:48PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
When you move the mouse slowly, you get very fine control. When you move
it faster, the control gets coarser. So you can move a knob from 0.0 to
1.0 quickly with a fast mouse gesture, or you can move it from 0.5 to 0.6
very
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:26:44PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
I'm happy to have the freedom to know what my OS is *really* doing. I'd
buy Cubase for Linux.
you don't care as much about the freedom to know what your DAW is
*really* doing? if you're a musician or an audio engineer, you will be
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:28:01AM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 08:02:48PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
No, I did not mean 2 axes for one widget. Only that a linear widget has
to indicate it's direction even before interaction happens, and that it
makes sense to use
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:02:48 +0200
Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:19:10AM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
Oh, and about linear needing 2 directions, up/down for gain
and right left for pan (Uwe): Sure. And the widget has
to be clear about that in advance.
Greetings:
Can someone explain why TiMidity eventually hogs the CPU at 95% or
more after running for a while (like 12 hours or more) ? I'm talking
about hogging the chip while TiMidity is idling, not playing. I'm using
it as a softsynth, it works well, but even in the latest version its CPU
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
In case anybody here is using evolution to post on lad.
Since 1.2 it was the most stable and perfect application i've ever seen.
Evolution seems to have one big problem: It seems to make it hard to
edit and shorten replies, or what's
Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
Can someone explain why TiMidity eventually hogs the CPU at 95% or more
after running for a while (like 12 hours or more) ? I'm talking about
hogging the chip while TiMidity is idling, not playing.
I'd guess that it is actually playing -- busy running through
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:53:56PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
No, I did not mean 2 axes for one widget. Only that a linear widget has
to indicate it's direction even before interaction happens, and that it
makes sense to use vertical for volume and horizonal for pan in the
same
I like this idea, however, in JAMin, we were trying to save real
estate. The status bar is used for JACK status. It would be very easy
to implement this since I've already built focus change detection in for
context sensitive help (shift-F1 over any widget). I don't think I have
enough room to
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:15:56 +0200, Tim Orford wrote:
And no, linux audio is definitely not perfectly unusable for me.
Quite the contrary; pd, supercollider, snd, ladspa, alsa, jack and the
very low-latish kernel make it to be a very usable platform for creative
work you can't do in
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:26:54 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
In case anybody here is using evolution to post on lad.
Since 1.2 it was the most stable and perfect application i've ever seen.
Evolution seems to have one big
Hallo,
Thorsten Wilms hat gesagt: // Thorsten Wilms wrote:
The discussion about linear or radial mouse movement for
knobs finaly got me to mockup an idea i had in my mind
for sometime already.
For now I call it fan sliders:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:22:55 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
That said, the existance of the list should be more well-known. There's
far too much audio stuff going on that isn't even aware of LAD, which
can't be good.
Er, actually thats not neccesarily true. Some people prefer to actually
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:57:06 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Automation in VST is pretty much broken AFAICT. It relys on explicit
support from the plugins to work.
i am tempted to say not true but i may miss something.
- there is a setParameter() call on the plugin (so i can automate
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:28:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
There is chasm both broad and deep between
plugin, show your GUI now
and an actual implementation of such functionality.
Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
simple, UNDERcomplicated
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:25:46 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask (after actually
reading the DSSI RFC)
Is there anything really soft synth specific about DSSI? Should it be
DAPI (disposable audio plugin interface).
You have to care about
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 04:01:25 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:49:57AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
that into account.
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:00, Steve Harris wrote:
Yup, but I dont think we got consensus on the metadata format, which is
kinda fundamnetal. For the record, I (still) think we should use a
restricted subset of RDF/N3.
As long as you never, ever have to look at it. I could actually
Hallo,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:26:54 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Better use Mutt, it sucks less.
In all seriousness, all the non elm/mutt apps I've used dont let me go
though my mail quickly enough. The ability to switch inboxes, delete
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:28:01 -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
I think that your frontal lobe is saying knobs are round, move the mouse
around them but I still believe that your hand will find it more
intuitive and correct to move the mouse in one direction - up and down.
Hmm... I've just realised
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 01:37:12 -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
Not if the pan sliders are laid out horizontally :-)
I was speaking of knobs. A horizontal slider is obviously visually
different from a vertical one. A horizontally-linear knob is not
obviously different from a vertically-linear
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:56:30PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
I was speaking of knobs. A horizontal slider is obviously visually
different from a vertical one. A horizontally-linear knob is not
obviously different from a vertically-linear knob :)
I dont think theres any reason to
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:10, Tim Hockin wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:56:30PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
I was speaking of knobs. A horizontal slider is obviously visually
different from a vertical one. A horizontally-linear knob is not
obviously different from a vertically-linear
Hallo,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:26:54 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Better use Mutt, it sucks less.
In all seriousness, all the non elm/mutt apps I've used dont let me go
though my mail quickly enough. The ability to switch inboxes, delete
Hallo,
Thorsten Wilms hat gesagt: // Thorsten Wilms wrote:
The discussion about linear or radial mouse movement for
knobs finaly got me to mockup an idea i had in my mind
for sometime already.
For now I call it fan sliders:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:57:14 -0500
Jan Depner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like this idea, however, in JAMin, we were trying to save real
estate. The status bar is used for JACK status. It would be very easy
to implement this since I've already built focus change detection in for
context
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:55:32PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:28:01 -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
I think that your frontal lobe is saying knobs are round, move the mouse
around them but I still believe that your hand will find it more
intuitive and correct to move the
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:23:52 -0400
Dave Robillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that's a really good idea.. the 'base' slider could be really
small (ie the size of a knob), but the movement would be linear, and
with variable precision.. and it seems like it would be immediately
obvious how
Hi.
Does anyone out there know what the audio buffer size settings in
Windows and MacOS really mean? If you say 128 samples does that
translate to 2 buffers of 128 samples --- one buffer playing, one buffer
filling --- or 2 buffers of 64 samples? Is it 256 samples of latency or
128?
I realize
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 08:42:42PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Speaking of touchpads, does anyone know of a (usb) touchpad that works
with your finger, not just a pen? (The only ones I've seen just work
with the stylus, which is no good)
I'm guessing you mean a big one, like 15 or 20 cm on a
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