[linux-audio-dev] ALSA OSS Emulation and emu10k1

2004-11-28 Thread Melanie
Hi, I was wondering, is it possible to assign /dev/dspX devices to the secondary and tertiary PCM devices on an emu10k1? I have a SB Live! Platinum with LiveDrive IR. The stereo out is connected to my regular set of speakers. The surround output is connected to an earphone headset, it's mic is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] Linux audio hardware market research [was: creating a wiki soundcard experiences site]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 27 November 2004 07:43 am, Marek Peteraj wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 11:06, MarC wrote: what about creating a wiki website to submit soundcard experiences? This also seems like a good idea to me, and it would be cool to have a

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 21:43, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 01:51 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote: They create software to support it and make it work. Then all the technical information goes into the public domain and some low cost manufacturer from Taiwan or Russia or somewhere

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to say this. Personally, open source is not a religion for me so a closed source driver would be fine and dandy. Let the flames commence - now

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:36, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: Did this happen? Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the long and colorful history of pro audio

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA OSS Emulation and emu10k1

2004-11-28 Thread Florian Schmidt
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:24:28 +0100 Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering, is it possible to assign /dev/dspX devices to the secondary and tertiary PCM devices on an emu10k1? [snip] Is it possible, maybe with module parameters, to make alsa do this? Would it need a patch,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Tastes like chicken!

2004-11-28 Thread Florian Schmidt
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:36:10 -0500 John Check [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhoo, I had a spark of inspiration and banged out a little sort of folk tune tracked with ardour. Audacity as a front end for LAME. Still getting my ears calibrated to a subpar monitoring system so forgive the buried vox

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Tastes like chicken!

2004-11-28 Thread Dave Phillips
Hey John: I'll chime in with some kudos for the tune, but I agree with your own assessment re: the vocal, it does need to come forward. No point in singing words if they can't be heard or understood, yes ? Vocals are often a problem for people who don't particularly think of themselves as

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA OSS Emulation and emu10k1

2004-11-28 Thread Peter Zubaj
Hi, AFAIK: OSS device on emu10k1 is always routed to front channels. Routing can be changed through alsa mixer api (there are controls controling channel routing), but this is not simple and there is problem to know what oss stream uses what hw stream, because these are alocated dynamicallly.

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Behringer

2004-11-28 Thread Mario Lang
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: Did this happen? Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the long and colorful history of pro audio hardware

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 13:35, R Parker wrote: --- Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to say this. Personally, open source

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:03, tim hall wrote: Last Saturday 27 November 2004 21:36, Lee Revell was like: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: Did this happen? Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. Just to save people some googling here is a thread that

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Tim Goetze
[Marek Peteraj] RME has provided Pro grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it in order to become a legitimate alternative to proprietary solutions. Not really. It was Paul, Thomas, and one other guy(don't remember the name) who did. Remember it was almost no investment from RME's side.

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: [Marek Peteraj] RME has provided Pro grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it in order to become a legitimate alternative to proprietary solutions. Not really. It was Paul, Thomas, and one other guy(don't remember the name) who

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Tastes like chicken!

2004-11-28 Thread John Check
On Sunday 28 November 2004 07:52 am, Dave Phillips wrote: Hey John: I'll chime in with some kudos for the tune, but I agree with your own Thanks assessment re: the vocal, it does need to come forward. No point in singing words if they can't be heard or understood, yes ? Vocals are

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA OSS Emulation and emu10k1

2004-11-28 Thread Melanie
Hi, Peter Zubaj wrote: Other ways will require driver change. Any pointers to where (file, ~line) this is allocated/assigned. Where I would need to change this? Melanie

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA OSS Emulation and emu10k1

2004-11-28 Thread Melanie
HI, Florian Schmidt wrote: http://alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html Read up on the device mapping section. I already found that. It's not what I need, it doesn't allow to re-route the OSS devices. The secondary PCM on emu10k1 is not represented as the 2nd channel by the driver.

[linux-audio-dev] GNU Common C++ 1.3.0, new ccAudio2 0.1.0, ccrtp 1.1.2 released this morning

2004-11-28 Thread David Sugar
Along with Common C++, I also made available the first release of the new and much improved stand-alone (no longer requires GNU Common C++) version of the GNU Common C++ Audio class framework; ccaudio2. This new framework, in addition to being more portable and fully endian aware than it's

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Jan Depner hat gesagt: // Jan Depner wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:36, Lee Revell wrote: IMO the issue is not whether RME's concern is valid - clearly it is. Sorry, but arguing otherwise makes us look stupid and naive. The issue is how to address this concern. If that means a

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
Why? Because with the availability of closed drivers the (market) demand for open source drivers suddenly becomes as small as the handful of Libre Software supporters like I am one. The just make my hardware work type of Linux users is not interested in Open Source drivers anymore, so why

[linux-audio-dev] [ANN] Hydrogen v0.9.1

2004-11-28 Thread Comix
I'm proud to announce a new stable release of Hydrogen Drum Machine!! Features: __General__ * Very user-friendly, modular, fast and intuitive graphical interface based on QT 3. * Sample-based stereo audio engine, with import of sound samples in .wav, .au and .aiff formats. * Support of

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Simon Jenkins
Marek Peteraj wrote: Oh BTW, just in case :) http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html Free as in Nelson Mandela :) ~ Simon

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Tastes like chicken!

2004-11-28 Thread Jan Depner
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 06:52, Dave Phillips wrote: Hey John: I'll chime in with some kudos for the tune, but I agree with your own assessment re: the vocal, it does need to come forward. No point in singing words if they can't be heard or understood, yes ? Vocals are often a problem

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Jan Depner
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:15, Marek Peteraj wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: [Marek Peteraj] RME has provided Pro grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it in order to become a legitimate alternative to proprietary solutions. Not really. It was Paul,

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 19:53, Jan Depner wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:15, Marek Peteraj wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: [Marek Peteraj] RME has provided Pro grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it in order to become a legitimate alternative to

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 18:12 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: And who the heck cares, that you cannot buy a single modern 3D-card anymore, which has open source drivers, by any manufacturer? Sure you can. The VIA unichrome cards have open 3D drivers. But, of course, it's not the best 3D hardware

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Open firewire audio interface: A back-of-an-envelope prototype plan

2004-11-28 Thread Simon Jenkins
Marcus Andersson wrote: Hi, what you need to figure out is how hardware can be developed by people living in different countries, the same way email/sourceforge/CVS pretty much solved the distribution problem for software. Here is just a couple of ideas. All interested developers buy a

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Eliot Blennerhassett
Ah i don't know. I mean, you guys have put a lot of time into what your doing anyway. And in my case the trust in rme turned out to be a bummer just becasue i was thinking that they have trust in the open source developers. If they did have such trust, something like this would

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Tastes like chicken!

2004-11-28 Thread John Check
On Sunday 28 November 2004 01:40 pm, Jan Depner wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 06:52, Dave Phillips wrote: Hey John: I'll chime in with some kudos for the tune, but I agree with your own assessment re: the vocal, it does need to come forward. No point in singing words if they can't be

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: Nvidia has a lot more valuable IP at stake than VIA when they release an open source driver for their 3D gear. If you don't understand why, I can't help you. I do understand this very well. Because this is the central conflict: I will not

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:27:46AM +1300, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: So, what is the difference between our current offerings and what you'd like to see in a pro audio card? I don't see any gross difference except the input/output connectors. Bundle the 5042 or 5044 with adapters or breakout

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:09 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: Nvidia has a lot more valuable IP at stake than VIA when they release an open source driver for their 3D gear. If you don't understand why, I can't help you. I do understand

Re: why open source drivers [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 21:31, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:20:33 -0500, Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 12:06 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Fine with me. If I shelled out for RME hardware I better be able to call RME for support, same as on any

Re: audioscience [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 10:27, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: Ah i don't know. I mean, you guys have put a lot of time into what your doing anyway. And in my case the trust in rme turned out to be a bummer just becasue i was thinking that they have trust in the open source developers.

Re: why open source drivers [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 00:58, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:25:09 +0100, Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 21:31, Mark Knecht wrote: One nice example. Korg 1212 i/o, worked under win98, doesn't under winXP because korg does not provide support for

Re: why open source drivers [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 01:32, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:19:14 +0100, Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RME never 'supported' the card under Linux. The 'supported' the developers by providing technical info. I did not purchase the card because of RME telling