Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-25 Thread Andrea Glorioso
Lee == Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True, no reason to break it for people who are used to the old behavior, and MS does do extensive usability testing. However this NEEDS to be made configurable system-wide. This way CCRMA and AGNULA (for example) can ship with the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-24 Thread Lee Revell
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:19, Paul Winkler wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI programming, the origin is at the top left of the screen, and X,Y

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-24 Thread John Check
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 02:00 am, Lee Revell wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:19, Paul Winkler wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI programming,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-23 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI programming, the origin is at the top left of the screen, and X,Y coorinates increase going right and down respectively.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-22 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On lör, 2004-08-21 at 07:30, Lee Revell wrote: I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) decreases the slider value, and vice versa. This is not just you. Generally when you install software

[linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) decreases the slider value, and vice versa. This seems backwards to me. What does everyone else think? This is one of those things that will *have* to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Pete Bessman
I never noticed the behavior of horizontal scrollbars in GTK because I've never encountered any. Just checked out the behavior of Rhthymbox's seek indicator, it's just as you described (i.e., dain bramaged). That's a bug, plain and simple. --Pete http://www.gazuga.net Nothing great was ever

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Dave Robillard
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 01:30, Lee Revell wrote: I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) decreases the slider value, and vice versa. This seems backwards to me. What does everyone else

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Melanie
Hi, it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to right, top to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Melanie hat gesagt: // Melanie wrote: Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down MUST map to right, otherwise, non-mathematically minded people get uttely confused. Well, if I qualify as

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Florian Schmidt
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200 Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. Left is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Paul Davis
it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to right, top to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Pete Bessman
At Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200, Melanie wrote: Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down MUST map to right, otherwise, non-mathematically minded people get uttely confused. This is perhaps the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Melanie
Hi, On 2004.08.21 20:05 Florian Schmidt wrote: Hmm, i cannot believe that users really expect the horizontal scrollbars to go right when wheeling down. That just doesn't feel natural at all. Well, it does feel perfectly natural to me... Has there been research done? I would like to see some

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread martin rumori
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: also, when i think of road driving signs used to indicate significant uphill or downhill sections, my recollection is that in the US and in Europe they obey this right=up association if they actually show the slope. IIRC correctly,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: Hi, it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. Left is generally

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:26, martin rumori wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: also, when i think of road driving signs used to indicate significant uphill or downhill sections, my recollection is that in the US and in Europe they obey this right=up

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:05 pm, Florian Schmidt wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200 Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:06 pm, Melanie wrote: Hi, On 2004.08.21 20:05 Florian Schmidt wrote: Hmm, i cannot believe that users really expect the horizontal scrollbars to go right when wheeling down. That just doesn't feel natural at all. Well, it does feel perfectly natural to me...

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when they're adjusting a horizontal volume slider is This is kind of like reading a book, which goes left to right and top

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:22 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: it's backwards in a numerical sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when they're adjusting a horizontal volume slider is This is kind of

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when they're

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: I guarantee you that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:31, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Today might well have been the first time I used the wheel on common sliders, and it felt backwards! Agreed. I can understand why

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:47 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:31, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:50 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Today might well have been the first time I used the wheel on common

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

2004-08-21 Thread John Check
On Saturday 21 August 2004 06:48 pm, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:50 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Today might well