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[linux-audio-dev] fund transfer
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Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is ...
and the rest ... I get this. Its pathetic. Not only that ... I have no idea how much longer I can keep working on Ardour right now because working on it has come close to exhausting my financial resources. Paul, could you tell me how I can support you financially ? Do you work through Paypal ? best regards, Vincent PS: silent supporters are lurking behind the curtains, silent, but supportive
[linux-audio-dev] binary package of ardour - can be found in SuSE 8.1 (earlier?)
~ rpm -q ardour-cvs20020816-21 ardour-cvs20020816-21 roger@jeloin:~ man rpm Reformatting rpm(8), please wait... Still saving the page, please wait... roger@jeloin:~ rpm -q ardour-cvs20020816-21 -i Name: ardour Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : cvs20020816 Vendor: SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg , Germany Release : 21Build Date: ons 11 sep 2002 00.36.09 Install date: fre 27 dec 2002 16.40.07 Build Host: Fatou.suse.de Group : Productivity/Multimedia/Sound/Editors and Convertors Source RPM: ardour-cvs20020816-21.src.rpm Size: 9069796 License: GPL Packager: http://www.suse.de/feedback URL : http://ardour.sourceforge.net/ Summary : Multitrack hardware recording system Description : Ardour is a multichannel hard disk recorder (HDR), rapidly evolving into a Digit al Audio Workstation (DAW). It is capable of simultaneously recording 24 or more channels of 32 bit audio at 48kHz. Ardour is intended to function as a professional HDR system, replacing dedicat ed hardware solutions such as the Mackie HDR, the Tascam 2424 and more traditional tape systems like t he Alesis ADAT series. It supports MIDI Machine Control and so can be controlled from any MMC controlle r, such as the Mackie Digital 8 Bus mixer and many other modern digital mixers. Authors: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Distribution: SuSE Linux 8.1 (i386) roger@jeloin:~ roger@jeloin:~ roger@jeloin:~ rpm -q ardour-cvs20020816-21 -i Name: ardour Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : cvs20020816 Vendor: SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 21Build Date: ons 11 sep 2002 00.36.09 Install date: fre 27 dec 2002 16.40.07 Build Host: Fatou.suse.de Group : Productivity/Multimedia/Sound/Editors and Convertors Source RPM: ardour-cvs20020816-21.src.rpm Size: 9069796 License: GPL Packager: http://www.suse.de/feedback URL : http://ardour.sourceforge.net/ Summary : Multitrack hardware recording system Description : Ardour is a multichannel hard disk recorder (HDR), rapidly evolving into a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW). It is capable of simultaneously recording 24 or more channels of 32 bit audio at 48kHz. Ardour is intended to function as a professional HDR system, replacing dedicated hardware solutions such as the Mackie HDR, the Tascam 2424 and more traditional tape systems like the Alesis ADAT series. It supports MIDI Machine Control and so can be controlled from any MMC controller, such as the Mackie Digital 8 Bus mixer and many other modern digital mixers. Authors: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Distribution: SuSE Linux 8.1 (i386) -- Roger Larsson Skellefteå Sweden
RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
when ardour is in a state where i believe (rightly or wrongly) that a reasonably typical target user can sit down and just use it without encountering bugs when recording a typical 12-32 track piece, there will be binaries. --p Do I/we have at least your permission (if we do manage to compile out of CVS) to redistribute my/our compiled version? Ico
Re: [linux-audio-dev] binary package of ardour - can be found in SuSE 8.1 (earlier?)
they did this against my wishes. i have asked several distributions to stop doing this, including suse. this being the gpl, there's not much more i can do. --p
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
Do I/we have at least your permission (if we do manage to compile out of CVS) to redistribute my/our compiled version? i would prefer that nobody be using ardour at this time that doesn't have the skills to use CVS and the compilation toolset. there are frequently daily updates, and i'd much rather people use a low-bandwidth approach to updating (which is essentially what CVS provides for read-only users). i clearly can't enforce this, but that's how i see things. just do the right thing :) --p
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding
On 13 Feb 2003 01:38:13 +1100 Son of Zev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Pretty much everyone into linux audio at this point does that. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) Heh, I've been up to the same task. It seems to depend on fairly recent development tools, and upgrading to them all can mess things up. But slowly working towards it. but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... Well, position yourself with a working ardour, and then think how much time you would spend on helping others, when all that time you could be making music :) My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related Sometimes more information does ring a bell to someone, sometimes it doesn't. That's pretty much about it from my point of view. There are many bits in cyberspace. janne (or is there? ;) cheers Allan
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:33:24PM -0500, Ivica Bukvic wrote: Do I/we have at least your permission (if we do manage to compile out of CVS) to redistribute my/our compiled version? I think this is covered by section 6 in the GPL: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html 6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License. So you can distribute your compiled version, if you don't hold back the sources of course (terms and conditions of the GPL). It just boils down to the fact that people who get hold of a binary will find an email address in the about box and complain for any bugs. Personally, I'd respect the wish of the author not to redistribute the binary, till he is confident about it and at the point at which it is _possible_ to support the binary (its sufficiently stable). Yet, we are a free world. The legals are clear, morality is up to ourselves. regards, v
[linux-audio-dev] While we're talking about lack of responses :-)
I e-mailed the list a couple of days ago asking for some advice regarding my RTMix app (how to make it more user-friendly). I am still waiting for some help on this one :-D. Again, any insight is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, P.S. Web server hosting my page is still down, thanks to the smart university technicians... If someone desires screenshots I'd be more than willing to send them to you as an attachment (I just don't wanna do that over the mailing list because it would clutter a lot of people's inboxes). Ico
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is ...
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 06:21:42PM +0100, Vincent Touquet wrote: and the rest ... I get this. Its pathetic. Not only that ... I have no idea how much longer I can keep working on Ardour right now because working on it has come close to exhausting my financial resources. Paul, could you tell me how I can support you financially ? Do you work through Paypal ? I don't know why Paul doesn't publicize this more widely, but this page has been up for some time now: http://ardour.sourceforge.net/money.html Notice the Paypal link. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's SALESMAN THIGH! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
Re: [linux-audio-dev] While we're talking about lack of responses :-)
Ivica Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I e-mailed the list a couple of days ago asking for some advice regarding my RTMix app (how to make it more user-friendly). I am still waiting for some help on this one :-D. Again, any insight is greatly appreciated! OK, here goes. My insight into user interface design is that it is a *very* difficult problem. Almost nothing useful can be done without prototyping the different options, playing around with them to see how they feel. That's why I didn't respond to your original message. I didn't feel that I had anything useful to say, based on the information provided. I sincerely wish you good luck with RTMix... -- Jack O'Quin Austin, Texas, USA
[linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] While we're talking about lack of responses:-)
hi ico, i'm seriously interested in looking at the user-friendliness issue as im working on a library of pixmaps (png) that developers can use for their apps... this came from the whole discussion about why we need graphic designers ;-) i've downloaded RTMix and will have a good look at it in the next week or so, im afraid im a little busy at the moment as im writing a book... bw m~ Ivica Bukvic wrote: I e-mailed the list a couple of days ago asking for some advice regarding my RTMix app (how to make it more user-friendly). I am still waiting for some help on this one :-D. Again, any insight is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, P.S. Web server hosting my page is still down, thanks to the smart university technicians... If someone desires screenshots I'd be more than willing to send them to you as an attachment (I just don't wanna do that over the mailing list because it would clutter a lot of people's inboxes). Ico -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense ***
Re: [linux-audio-dev] While we're talking about lack of responses :-)
I might be a bit OT here, but this is always interesting for interface design: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/ Not saying I agree with it all, but details like the layout of buttons on dialog boxes on this page are interesting: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIGDialogs/index.html My guess is that apple have spent a lot of money coming up with these ideas. I think as linux developers, we could find something similar very handy - especially if it was toolkit agnostic. Has anyone heard of something like this? On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:43:19 -0500 Ivica Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I e-mailed the list a couple of days ago asking for some advice regarding my RTMix app (how to make it more user-friendly). I am still waiting for some help on this one :-D. Again, any insight is greatly appreciated!
Re: [linux-audio-dev] While we're talking about lack of responses :-)
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 10:40:53AM +, Dave Griffiths wrote: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/ I think as linux developers, we could find something similar very handy - especially if it was toolkit agnostic. Has anyone heard of something like this? both KDE and Gnome have similar documents; they've recently agreed to combine efforts and come up with some common guidelines at freedesktop.org. (copy of the news at http://dot.kde.org/1044312611/) currently they're still separate documents, but of course there's a lot of overlap: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ http://developer.kde.org/documentation/design/ui/resources.html Conrad.
RE: [linux-audio-dev] While we're talking about lack of responses :-)
Thanks for your reply! Personally, I am rather against the Apple's layout and usability ideas (for that matter I am also against the KDE's outdated usability guidelines as well) since it has proven to be nothing but a nightmare for the computer illiterate (or barely literate) students whom I taught in the past. One of the recurring issues is the persistent toolbar on the top (which arguably is easier to hit since it is positioned at the edge of the screen) that changes as you focus onto different apps. Almost every new user figures that the app is closed when the window is closed (which then would bring me to conclusion that this is the way things should be) and so I always have crashing (OS 9) machines in my studio due to fact that they run 5-10 apps at the same time in the background while trying to open a new one (or even better, wondering while the app is not opening when in fact it is already open and the new window needs to be opened). Other gripe is that some menus need to be selected by holding the mouse button and releasing it when the pointer is above the option -- what if your hand slips and you accidentally press the wrong option? Such as slip-up in apps that have 1-level undo could prove to be a real nuisance. Other issues are purely performance-based. Aqua GUI, apart from being very attractive (although we could argue that one gets tired of it rather easy and soon it becomes somewhat cumbersome, especially on the interleaved LCD screens where its horizontal-line pattern creates an eye-straining shimmer effect) is a humongous resource hog. If you ever try to resize a window with a complex layout, you'll see what I mean. What we could learn from Apple, though, is how far-reaching eye-candy can be. This is definitely something worth looking into. Especially now that the libsvg has finally gotten so optimized that you can resize vectorized icons/images in real-time without eating too many cpu cycles. From what I've seen on the links you've given it seems that focusing widgets and keyboard accelerators are a good thing (which makes me feel good since my app has already both :-) Ico Great suggestions nonetheless, keep them coming!
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:49:08AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: (cut) jazz++ has been around for a long time, and is available as a binary. why isn't it widely loved and used? because it really isn't very good. i know that i tried to use it many times, and found it, well, frankly i found it completely awful. That was sadly my impression too. (cut) when ardour is in a state where i believe (rightly or wrongly) that a reasonably typical target user can sit down and just use it without encountering bugs when recording a typical 12-32 track piece, there will be binaries. I think that is a good policy. Hm, I see these emails get cross-posted all over alsa-dev and ardour-dev too :/ The last thing I want to say is that I hope we can make a mends to this bad vibe mostly based on false expectations, yet good intentions. The last thing is what counts. regards, vincent
[linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^wits???
Hi Guys This is quite a disturbing message.. nearly 2 weeks ago Paul Davis marked one of my messages as something seriously wrong going on .. when libraries were compiling as dynamic not static... since then I have responded with full outputs of what is happening. In response I sent full output of what was going on .. tried to sort it out by myself and sent further results.. Okay some of it was too big to get to the list immediately pending list moderator acceptance.. and then some of it just purely didn't get responded to. I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of response and still have recieved no response. Sure I am not a coder just a potential professional user.. but that really shouldn't be an issue... Okay some individuals responded to some of my initial questions, and thankyou to the two of them.. however noone has responded to further enquiries, after acting on the responses I did get.. Is it because I feigned mild support to Steinberg having (while unreleased) versions of their software for Linux?? Or is it because I'm obviously not a coder?? Is it simply because I used the wrong subject line? This disgusts me as about 2 years ago when I said I was going to give up on Linux to the LAD lists a massive response came about saying I should keep going and my opinions (not even problems relating to software directly) were valued and necessary. Now when I have real problems compiling something, contained with as much information I could forward were included it seems it is irrelevant and no-one seems willing to respond at all (let alone Paul) .. Other compile and/or configure problems have been responded too earlier than mine (at all really as my last few posts have not received any reply) even though I acted upon all requests made of me. I am active in all lists that I am involved in with any replies that I may have a potential answer to and have been promoting this OS and in particular the potential of Ardour to many fellow professionals in the industry. I also have rad and learnt as much as I could to give qualitative feedback to any problems I incur. All I seek is the ability to use open source software in preference to rip-off commercial apps. Yes, I admit there is potential for both to exist on this platform and would use some commerical apps to aide in crossover but that is not the point of this (ardour-dev) list. It would seem only the MusE list responds to anything I send, and only a few particular individuals at that. Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended after my response to the string ahem. So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down this path. Yes this is an emotional response as it seems like my friends advised me I should have just bought a Mac ,, inferior latency aside.. at least the support groups there (even those non-funded as this list) genuinely help. My only problem is , where do I go from here?? This really saddens me as I thought this (Linux) was the future. It seems it is only a future for the GPL elite. extremely pissed off Allan Klinbail
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. this is completely correct. there is nobody on the ardour-dev mailing list with the time to provide hand-holding for the compile process. i want everything about building ardour right now to shout at you if you can't do this, give up!. nobody in their right minds expects endusers to use CVS, let alone have all the auto-tools installed on their systems with the precise mix of versions required for this crappy but irreplaceable set of tools to work right. when ardour is ready for end users, binaries will be available. until then, if you can't build it and nobody answers your questions quickly, take that as a sign that (1) you should wait and (2) people are busy working on cool new features. --p
[linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of response and still have recieved no response. [ ... ] Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended after my response to the string ahem. So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down this path. Do you know how much of my life and money I've spent continuing down this path? In return for getting up every day for 3+ years (bar some months in the summer) and working my ass off to produce something people claimed would take hundreds of man years to create, finding 2-300 emails per day in my mail box about audio software, hardware, and the rest ... I get this. Its pathetic. Not only that ... I have no idea how much longer I can keep working on Ardour right now because working on it has come close to exhausting my financial resources. What right do you have to complain about countless dollars? You have been given access to the inside of the entire development process of a major piece of software: something you would never, ever have any access to with a commercial company. If you don't like the fact that nobody has time to answer your questions because we too **DAMN BUSY** trying to get software to the point where non-coders can use it with satisfaction and ease, well ... go get products support from companies that will happily take your money for both of them. There are plenty of good ones. Your insinuations about some agenda based on your feelings about Steinberg and/or your status as a coder (or not) are offensive. --p ps. the word is fuckwit. you don't need to add punctuation marks, which only make it more offensive.
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just abunch of *^%^%^ wits???
Thanks Vincent. Your reply is appreciated. However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Credit goes to some who have especially Takashi Iwai, Robert Jonsson, Tommi Ilmonen and a few others. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related cheers Allan On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:50, Vincent Touquet wrote: I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just abunch of *^%^%^ wits???]
-Forwarded Message- From: Son of Zev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alsa-dev Thanks Vincent. Your reply is appreciated. However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Credit goes to some who have especially Takashi Iwai, Robert Jonsson, Tommi Ilmonen and a few others. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related cheers Allan On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:50, Vincent Touquet wrote: I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all justa bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 07:44, Paul Davis wrote: So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down this path. Do you know how much of my life and money I've spent continuing down this path? In return for getting up every day for 3+ years (bar some months in the summer) and working my ass off to produce something people claimed would take hundreds of man years to create, finding 2-300 emails per day in my mail box about audio software, hardware, and the rest ... I get this. Its pathetic. Not only that ... I have no idea how much longer I can keep working on Ardour right now because working on it has come close to exhausting my financial resources. What right do you have to complain about countless dollars? If I may pipe in here.. Being a developer and a musician/engineer, I am aware of the resource drain invloved. With all due respect, Paul, If you are interested, I am sure people would pay for binaries of ardour.I would. I know other musicans that would.I could get more musicans to. Personally, I have been waiting for it since I first heard about it. Why not release something? People are waiting! Most open source projects release binaries throughout their development phase. Instead of adding cool new features for years on end, why not release something that musicans can use. That is what it's all about, right? Musicians want your software. Linux (community) needs your software. You have been given access to the inside of the entire development process of a major piece of software: something you would never, ever have any access to with a commercial company. If you don't like the fact that nobody has time to answer your questions because we too **DAMN BUSY** trying to get software to the point where non-coders can use it with satisfaction and ease, well ... go get products support from companies that will happily take your money for both of them. There are plenty of good ones. -- My cat's a debugger Potter, Lorn, ljp core developer / Web Administrator Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org | http://www.opie.info (german) | http://www.opie.us IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
If you are interested, I am sure people would pay for binaries of ardour.I would. I know other musicans that would.I could get more musicans to. Personally, I have been waiting for it since I first heard about it. Why not release something? because i am tired of downloading open source projects that are still so clearly under development. i am tired of the impression that this creates. when i get hold of something like freqtweak, which i can compile or get binaries for, and the thing just works ... that is the right impression. the wrong impression comes from stupid bugs, inability to cleanly exit the program (still a core problem with ardour), and functionality that is obviously necessary and either missing or incomplete. People are waiting! Most open source projects release binaries throughout their development phase. Instead of adding cool new features for years on end, why not release something that musicans can use. that's precisely what i am trying to do. however, my definition of something that musicians can use might be different from yours. jazz++ has been around for a long time, and is available as a binary. why isn't it widely loved and used? because it really isn't very good. i know that i tried to use it many times, and found it, well, frankly i found it completely awful. ardour still has lots of significant bugs and a few design issues that need addressing before i want the general population judging it. to release ready-to-run copies now, or even tarballs that would help people who can't/won't use CVS to try to compile it ... well, all i think it would do is to increase the number of people who have been there, don't want to go back with respect to the program. when ardour is in a state where i believe (rightly or wrongly) that a reasonably typical target user can sit down and just use it without encountering bugs when recording a typical 12-32 track piece, there will be binaries. --p
Re: [Alsa-devel] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: why is no-one respondingare you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:49, Paul Davis wrote: If you are interested, I am sure people would pay for binaries of ardour.I would. I know other musicans that would.I could get more musicans to. Personally, I have been waiting for it since I first heard about it. Why not release something? because i am tired of downloading open source projects that are still so clearly under development. i am tired of the impression that this creates. when i get hold of something like freqtweak, which i can compile or get binaries for, and the thing just works ... that is the right impression. the wrong impression comes from stupid bugs, inability to cleanly exit the program (still a core problem with ardour), and functionality that is obviously necessary and either missing or incomplete. ahhh, you are a perfectionist! I see your point. Open source software is always under dev, unless it's not maintained. You _could_ release 'alpha' versions clearly stating that it is alpha condition. People are waiting! Most open source projects release binaries throughout their development phase. Instead of adding cool new features for years on end, why not release something that musicans can use. that's precisely what i am trying to do. however, my definition of something that musicians can use might be different from yours. Well, obviously, ardour isn't at the 'release' stage, but perhaps beta or even alpha. Perhaps someone else with more time, could release a binary version for you. Pick one or two target dists, and release alpha binaries or such. You'd certainly get more bug reports. :) jazz++ has been around for a long time, and is available as a binary. why isn't it widely loved and used? because it really isn't very good. i know that i tried to use it many times, and found it, well, frankly i found it completely awful. ardour still has lots of significant bugs and a few design issues that need addressing before i want the general population judging it. to release ready-to-run copies now, or even tarballs that would help people who can't/won't use CVS to try to compile it ... well, all i think it would do is to increase the number of people who have been there, don't want to go back with respect to the program. Personally, I keep checking back to projects that are in some kind of beta stage, or too buggy to use and look interesting, to see what things have changed. Heck, I'll even use software day to day that crashes constantly, if I think it's useful enough. (mozilla - early stages comes to mind) when ardour is in a state where i believe (rightly or wrongly) that a reasonably typical target user can sit down and just use it without encountering bugs when recording a typical 12-32 track piece, there will be binaries. People are willing now to support you financially now, Paul.Paypal might be a good idea, if you dont mind begging till ardour is at a point where you can release to the general public. --p --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel -- My cat's a debugger Potter, Lorn, ljp core developer / Web Administrator Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org | http://www.opie.info (german) | http://www.opie.us IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
