[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-25 Thread Tony Grant
Le dim 25/04/2004 à 01:30, Michal Dobrzynski a écrit : Thank you! (and whomever sent in the updated timings). It has made a WORLD of difference and channel changes are very quick now.. They seem about 4 times faster. The only thing now is the occasionally image corruption (I think caused

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-25 Thread Jon Dye
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: My experience is that switching between services on the same multiplex is faster with DVB-T than with DVB-C or DVB-S. I think that DVB-T here in Berlin uses statistical multiplexing (i.e. the channel bandwidth is distributed dynamically between all services on the

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-25 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
I don't have that issue as I don't use lircd per-se but the irtrans daemon which also emulates lircd. No CPU usage problems at all. I have not been able to find a way to affect the TV output adversely by ANY amount of CPU usage. Regards, Michal On 25/04/2004, at 5:25 PM, Tony Grant wrote: Le

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-25 Thread Bjorn Andersson
On Sun, Apr 25 2004, at 09:25:44 +0200, Tony Grant wrote: Le dim 25/04/2004 à 01:30, Michal Dobrzynski a écrit : Thank you! (and whomever sent in the updated timings). It has made a WORLD of difference and channel changes are very quick now.. They seem about 4 times faster. The only

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-24 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Thank you! (and whomever sent in the updated timings). It has made a WORLD of difference and channel changes are very quick now.. They seem about 4 times faster. The only thing now is the occasionally image corruption (I think caused by emptying the remains of the ring buffer?) when switching

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Adrian P Challinor
? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juri Haberland Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Hi, I

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juri Haberland Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Of Juri Haberland Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Hi, I asked this on the VDR mailing list and was redirected here. Is there any way to reduce the massive

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Tony Grant
Le ven 23/04/2004 à 08:59, Michal Dobrzynski a écrit : Frankly I'd be overjoyed if I only had to wait 3 seconds at channel change :/ I timed it with a stopwatch and it takes at LEAST 5 seconds and sometimes even 8 seconds. Every time my parents change the channel they have to ask what's

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Robert Schlabbach
From: Adrian P Challinor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand the concerns here, but this delay also happens on commercial TV's. I have a fairly expensive Phillips TV with built in DVB-T receiver, and it takes at least three seconds to switch between digital channels. Analogue is instant. Is this

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
: [linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Hi, I asked this on the VDR mailing list and was redirected here. Is there any way to reduce the massive channel change delays? I am running 2 DVB-T budget cards and one Full Featured DVB-S card

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Klaus Schmidinger
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juri Haberland Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Hi, I asked this on the VDR

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Thanks for that. It was quite informative. Now if there was just a utility that could benchmark the time between requesting a certain transport stream (including tuning to the frequency it's at) and the time that the first I-Frame was received (ideally with a profile of how long in step took)

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Adrian P Challinor
So there are your technical limits: DVB-S and DVB-C roughly half a second, DVB-T one to 1.5 seconds. That's the best it can get. So your expensive Philips TV seems to be 1-2 seconds slower than it could theoretically be. Regards, -- Robert Schlabbach e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Berlin,

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Andrew de Quincey
On Friday 23 April 2004 09:52, Adrian P Challinor wrote: So there are your technical limits: DVB-S and DVB-C roughly half a second, DVB-T one to 1.5 seconds. That's the best it can get. So your expensive Philips TV seems to be 1-2 seconds slower than it could theoretically be. Regards,

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Thanks very much for the pointer. It's a bit late today so I'll try the suggestion tomorrow. I happen to have two TDA1004H tuners (one on each DVB-T card). Regards, Michal On 23/04/2004, at 6:53 PM, Andrew de Quincey wrote: On Friday 23 April 2004 09:23, Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Thanks for

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Also, with 2.6 kernels modutils is no longer used and module-init-tools are used instead. Are the options in /etc/modules.conf still used? I am running Debian unstable if that makes a difference. Regards, Michal On 23/04/2004, at 6:53 PM, Andrew de Quincey wrote: On Friday 23 April 2004 09:23,

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Uwe Maier
modules.conf has gone to /lib/modules/modprobe.conf and are regenerated by update-modules. Regards, uwe Also, with 2.6 kernels modutils is no longer used and module-init-tools are used instead. Are the options in /etc/modules.conf still used? I am running Debian unstable if that makes a

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Andrew de Quincey
On Friday 23 April 2004 11:57, Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Thanks very much for the pointer. It's a bit late today so I'll try the suggestion tomorrow. I happen to have two TDA1004H tuners (one on each DVB-T card). Aha, someone else actually sent me updated timings (800ms) for the TDA10045H

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
Robert Schlabbach wrote: From my observations, broadcasters typically send about 2 I-Frames per second. This means that even after only switching the video stream _on the same_ channel or transponder, you will have a delay of 0 to about 500ms waiting for the first I-Frame on the new stream.

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Chris Chatfield
I think that DVB-T here in Berlin uses statistical multiplexing (i.e. the channel bandwidth is distributed dynamically between all services on the channel, which means real-time MPEG encoding), and the encoder makes shorter GOPs when bandwidth is available. I haven't confirmed this

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-23 Thread Gregor Lawatscheck
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: I think that DVB-T here in Berlin uses statistical multiplexing (i.e. the channel bandwidth is distributed dynamically between all services on the channel, which means real-time MPEG encoding), and the encoder makes shorter GOPs when bandwidth is available. I haven't

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-22 Thread Juri Haberland
Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: Hi, I asked this on the VDR mailing list and was redirected here. Is there any way to reduce the massive channel change delays? I am running 2 DVB-T budget cards and one Full Featured DVB-S card for output and channel change times

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-22 Thread Michal Dobrzynski
Well I know that the FF v1.5 (detected as v1.3) card CAN switch faster as I've seen it do it. Tuning speed would only be limited by my DVB-T cards as far as I can understand. Next question, I'm running Debian unstable and do not know if NPTL is enabled or not by default. I am running the

[linux-dvb] Re: Channel change delay with DVB-T

2004-04-22 Thread Juri Haberland
Michal Dobrzynski wrote: On 23/04/2004, at 8:07 AM, Juri Haberland wrote: Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote: Michal Dobrzynski wrote: I asked this on the VDR mailing list and was redirected here. Is there any way to reduce the massive channel change delays? I am running 2 DVB-T budget cards and