Replying to myself: this was my mistake. The computer has two Ethernet
cards and I tried to connect to the router using the card that was not
connected to anything... ;-)
After I switched the configuration to the right one, everything worked
perfectly.
Sorry if I bothered you, or caused you to
I don't know about your particular problem but
Amichai Rotman wrote:
The comp freezes completely after accessing it in any way ( I don't even get
to mount it...). The Kernel dumpes a core saying the swapper is unable to
sync disks and the computer freezes. I can't copy the dump from the
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 10:24:23AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
When the kernel panics, you don't get a core file. What you do get
instead is a dump to console of the stack state during the crash. This
is pretty much useless unless you are willing to do some kernel debugging.
If you are
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 10:24, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
I don't know about your particular problem but
Amichai Rotman wrote:
The comp freezes completely after accessing it in any way ( I don't even get
to mount it...). The Kernel dumpes a core saying the swapper is unable to
sync disks and
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:12:23AM +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Actually, there is now support for Linux kernel core dumps, Shameless
plugcontributed by SGI :-)/Shameless plug.
I even think it's merged into 2.5.x but I might be wrong.
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/lkcd/
No, it hasn't
Title: Red-Hat 8 ,where can I get some ?
Hi all
I tried to download from various places with no success.
I'll pay, I need it asap.
Thanks ,
Eyal.
On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:19, Moshe, Eyal wrote:
Hi all
I tried to download from various places with no success.
I'll pay, I need it asap.
Thanks ,
Eyal.
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-Original Message-From: Moshe, Eyal
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday,
Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
programs, that is.
And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
cases.
I really don't understand where that comes from?
Hello list.
Recently I have feeling that my PPC Linux
is much slower (network, scheduling,
flash I/O) then similarly equipped AMD board.
I can not say where is the problem - hardware,
operating system or users' applications..
I'm looking for set of Linux utilities that
can check hardware/OS
Hi everybody,
The details of the informal dinner with Richard M. Stallman follow
below. The people who sent RSVPs will get them in a separate email as
well, just in case some of them don't read the lists regularly. I hope
those who do will tolerate a duplicate.
If anyone suddenly decides he or
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about Edu in linux:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
A very important topic indeed.
6)Does matach does programs which can't be replaced by opensourced
programs?
The sad (but
IMO, the first role Linux can take in schools is as a server. Many
schools have small to medium sized networks which either don't have
a
central server or rely on a Windows server running on a too-slow
machine. Using Linux as the server can reduce costs by both
eliminating
the need for
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
Regards,
- yba
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a
I think this is going too far. If children will use Linux from early
grades, they might install it at their homes. In today's problematic
economy, parents will be happy to pay 0$ for software, although I'm sure
most children don't really pay for their Windows
-Original Message-
From:
I think that today with the hard economical state
there are poor schools which hardly have money for computers
and would be more than happy for free programs.
crossover office runs MSoffice with hebrew support preety well
and they would have access to better and nicer GUI programs which they
can't
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
Regards,
How much does a development
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it
crossover office writes/reads hebrew doc/ppt files.
and if it's a matter of moving them from word..
well openoffice works on windows as well no?:)
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Hi,
As I am coming without a car, I will need a ride to Haifa after the
dinner, and a ride from TAU or somewhere I can get by bus to the place
before the dinner.
If you can help give any of these rides, I'd be happy if you notify me.
Thanks,
Alon
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On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
to OS wars?
Regards,
Victor.
Hi all.
I have this annoying problem with printing on okipage 14ex printer via samba.
This is the storry:
The printer is installed on a windows98 computer and is shared over the LAN.
while there is no problem with printing on this printer from other windows
computers, I couldn't succeed to print
From my kids' experience ( 12 + 16 ), technical issues are about office
products
(Heb OO will do fine here) and the rest of the activity is web search
(Meida'anut whatever that means in English) and remote learning.
As a linux layman , I can vouch for Mandrake or RH (DONT flame) as more
than
someone knows matach's homepage?
i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason..
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, mnna4 wrote:
From my kids' experience ( 12 + 16 ), technical issues are about office
products
(Heb OO will
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
crossover office writes/reads hebrew doc/ppt files.
and if it's a matter of moving them from word..
well openoffice works on windows as well no?:)
Hi Ely,
OOo works in Hebrew on Windows at we will soon be providing a Hebrew UI
for it, but the problem is
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 14:19, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
A research paid for by Microsoft. Allow me to be skeptical... ;-)
Linux is sometime cheaper and sometimes not so is every other
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
wrote:
My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about Edu in linux:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
A very important topic indeed.
6)Does matach does programs which can't be
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
someone knows matach's homepage?
i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason..
http://www.cet.ac.il/
or: http://www.cet.co.il/
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The RIGHT way to contact
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, mnna4 wrote:
From my kids' experience ( 12 + 16 ), technical issues are about office
products
(Heb OO will do fine here) and the rest of the activity is web search
(Meida'anut whatever that means in English) and remote learning.
As a linux layman , I can vouch for
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
wrote:
My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is
On Thursday 02 January 2003 12:53, Ely Levy wrote:
This and that, you are arguing absolutely useless points which boil down to
your personal opinions, biased towards your now outdated experiences.
Now why don't you stop wasting your time with the debate and actually go to a
school near you,
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
to OS wars?
Have you ever seen anyone who learned Linux and was unable to work
-Original Message-
Ben Avraham
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the
class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time
or patience to
convert
all,
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even two out of thirty-five kids in the
class.
This is one thing that I never understood- word can read a wide
variety
of Hebrew document formats, so why insist on the files being submitted
as doc?
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to
submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not
Title: RE: Edu in linux
3 years ago I did support to the schools in B7. There (I guess in other cities too) was support cost by hours. So, If school needs file/printer server the cost is same for both MS and Linux. But, if school(specialized in math and comp) needs Web/FTP + DB server, Linux
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Thu, 02 Jan:
Frankly, there is no ms-word format. There are a bunch of
(non-compatible) formats: word2, word6, word7(95), word8(97), word9(2000),
word10(xp) and now there is a word11 (.net?).
MS swore on their mother's grave that OfficeXP is bit-by-bit
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever boys will
switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
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[EMAIL
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 15:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
So you think what your children need to be successful adults is full
knowledge of Word?
Funny, I prefer my children to learn to think for themselves, be self
reliant, learn to solve problems and be creative, learn to protect their
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
.doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 16:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever
boys will
switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
Yep :-) (and let's not
On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My lsusb gives all the details it can find, which is a lot:
Actually, so does mine (version 0.10). The default is to give only the first
line (as I included previously). But there's a -v (verbose) switch which
gives tons of
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
that are not standard technologies in order to get maximum visual effect -
I agree,
I think that what would push linux into school
that why I don't bother going to the school
before having something to show up,
a lot of shchonot metzoka might earn a lot from the idea.
thanks to Alon who send me the site of matach (http://www.cet.ac.il/)
I see some of their programs are
Well, after the parallel discussion here and in the Mac forums (
http://forums.ort.org.il/scripts/
showsm.asp?which_forum=307mess=1646728 ), I wrote a document about
why it is good to build your site for standards.
I posted the first draft on the web, and would love to hear your
I found the problem, but I can't imagine what caused it. During install, MDK
9.0 printdrake correctly detected and installed the printer as /dev/usb/lp0.
Nobody made any changes to this setup (to be honest, I wouldn't know how).
But when checking things for maybe the 20th time, I saw that
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Michael Sternberg wrote:
Recently I have feeling that my PPC Linux
is much slower (network, scheduling,
flash I/O) then similarly equipped AMD board.
It is probably true. From my experience, with various versions of gcc,
PPC code runs on a G4 (7450) at about the same speed
-Original Message-
From: Matan Ziv-Av [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Michael Sternberg wrote:
I'm looking for set of Linux utilities that
can check hardware/OS performance.
I found lmbench useful for this. It's not extremely
easy if you want to cross-compile on
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 16:05, Alex Shnitman wrote:
[ Note: I edited the order of paragraph in Alex's post from the original
]
And you can very well think for yourself, be self-reliant, learn to
solve problems, be creative, learn to protect your rights and ask smart
questions, while at the same
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Recently Channel 2 news carried a story about large families (like yours)
whose schools demand 500 shekels a year (or more) from each child for
school trips. For the school it's much easier and nicer to force everyone
to fit this mold and not cause problems. But what does a
Your mistake is going to the schools talking to them,
they know nothing about computers nothing about OS.
If you would come to them with a working product saying hey look this has
that and that and it supports the stuff you need to do almost as well as
windows + it can do things which windows
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote:
Pretty well is the key word here - you need perfect compliance IMO.
And CrossOver is not free (or am I wrong?), which means you need to
purchase an Office license and CrossOver, so the cost saving shrinks.
They have the same problems with moving from
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
programs, that is.
And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
cases.
I
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
Ok I admit your answer sounds much better than mine:)
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 14:19, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there
I agree on the part that while being MALKAR and living from
public funds they should be open source.
I also think that they should at least be forced to concider porting
their programs to other OSs.
I think making people use any kind of software over the other is a bad bad
idea and kind of ruin
Well you hit the nail in the head as well,
That where we can offer them help to reduce the amount
of time and money that it would take porting those programs to linux
that might make them want to take a shot
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan
I agree coverting from office 97 to XP is much harder
especialy when it comes to hebrew.
actualy that is the reason why a lot of people do use RTF
when they don't know the version of windows the person they are sending
it to would have.
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
I think battle for Linux Desktops in schools is useless. Battle should be on
Colleges and Univercities, there jobs usually submitted in english :) . All
we can do in school - work with 15-17 aged. As example I can tell you about
activities of Amuta
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
consumers of most of the technologies and products that they use, be it
computer software or canned
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Guy Baruch wrote:
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
OT, as well as
politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
Maybe it is! but it is part of it!
actualy it is part of the reason of why I'm bringing it up now
On Thursday 02 January 2003 17:11, Ely Levy wrote:
Ironically, it looks like I'm getting hired by a school to implement certain
software projects. It would also be a great opportunity to inspect the school
world for Linux infestation potential.
Guess it's time for me to formally join the
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Guy Baruch wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
OT, as well as
politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
This is indeed getting OT, but I'd just like to point out that while the
treatment of
You may find it interesting to follow the following link (reg req unless jscript
disabled [*]):
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510contrassID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0
And if you wondered, it does feature the Xerox printer anecdote.
--
[*] archiving this
On Thursday 02 January 2003 20:07, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
is it just me, or does this page requires registration to Haaretz ??
tal.
You may find it interesting to follow the following link (reg req unless
jscript disabled [*]):
I'd like to try to give a summary of some of the points raised in this
thread:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to mind.
There are a number of
I think that if there is a time to push matach on porting things to linux
it's now,
maybe we should originize and approch haching like eitan or nachama ronen,
and ask them,
1)make matach allowing the port of programs to linux,
2)release their rav pealim word list (remember they wanted to pay ibm
Seems like you're advocating the round about route first.
Lobbying an MK to put some weight can never the first stage of any
process. It's something that should be done only after regular channels
fail.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
I think that if there is a time to push matach on
Nadav Har'El wrote:
But when you do register, you don't have to bother with your real details,
or even your real email (because, frankly, who knows what they do with these
details...). After you register with fake details you will get a link (written
in reversed Hebrew, for some reason...) to
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
This friend of mine, on the other hand, can now do absolutely nothing with
his knowledge of Turbo Pascal
This is a claim I find odd. Most of programming is not about learning the
syntax of a specific language.
and DOS, and yelling But these were the
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a
bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I
don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of
how things work.
This I can relate
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
2. I want my kids to be
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Cause what he would use outside in the world has nothing to do with the
things he uses at school in school he learns browesing/office
he DOESNT learn how to use windows.
browsing and office are the most common uses for windows for
non-developers (most
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 10:20:32PM +0200, Ehud Karni wrote:
I don't know what cause the system to select lp0 or lp1. I had similar
problem with tapes. I have 2 SCSI tapes (a DAT and a DLT) attached to
the same machine. Some time I get the DAT on /dev/st0 and the DLT on
/dev/st1 and sometimes
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:21:40 +0200, Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder whether these tapes are smart SCSI devices in the sense that
the host adapter is the one that actually assign their device id (0, 1
and so on)? I believe that such ability of the host adapter and the SCSI
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
to OS wars?
Have you ever seen anyone
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:30, Alex Shnitman wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
consumers of most of the technologies and
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
I remember very clearly a discussion I had with a friend 11 years ago
when I was in the 11th grade. We were studying then Turbo Pascal on DOS and
also using Windows (3.1) at school, and I told him about C and Unix, which
were virtually unknown
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
Hi,
As I am coming without a car, I will need a ride to Haifa after the
dinner, and a ride from TAU or somewhere I can get by bus to the place
before the dinner.
If you can help give any of these rides, I'd be happy if you notify me.
I'd like to have
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 19:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Ely Levy wrote:
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO file
format
that would become the official file format for documetation and passing
info between goverment and citizans. The guys who work on it seems to
be
very
You're right on with the ljet4 driver. The problem is samba. (It
works directly connected..) You need disable cr-lf translation.
Look in the smbprint(??) file. The binary data is getting garbled,
similar to ftp in ascii mode. It's coincidence that the page is ok
(or almost ok) until half
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be.
So someone who chooses MS
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden
to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their
schoolwork.
How is that different than requiring students to buy a certain textbook?
(In Haifa we rarely did
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
itself.[1]
snipped to footnote
[1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc is an Haskell compiler that is the
only tool capable of compiling its own Haskell code. The GNU Ada compiler
is written in
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Imagine a country where not only can schools use free software, but kids
are actually free to use the same software at home without draining the
family's budget. This is not only essential to sick kids, but also useful
for parents who cannot afford
English:
http://www.cet.co.il
Hebrew:
http://www.cet.ac.il
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
someone knows matach's homepage?
i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason..
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003,
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Stallman interviewed in Haaretz
Friday Magazine:
Except neither of these statements are true any more.
They now send you your password via email, so a real email address is
required, and disabling javascript did not work for me (and also
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