Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-27 Thread Ilya Khayutin
You are an idiot. Seems that you do not know neither C, nor C++. privilege control can be implemented in C without any trouble. C++ has _other_ advantages on C. Other advantages on C??? Do you know about any future in C++ that can't be implemented in C except inheritence and the ability to

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-27 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: Other advantages on C??? Do you know about any future in C++ that can't be implemented in C For one, inline functions. Don't even get me started on macros. except inheritence and the ability to "protect" variables (which is NOT so easily

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Adam Morrison on Sun, Jul 23, 2000: I haven't sene many programmers who go and fiddle with struct __jmp_buf instead of using setjmp/longjmp. You don't have to look very far, actually. http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/course/os/Ex3/demo.c I know. I did this exercise too. But my point

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Ury Segal on Sun, Jul 23, 2000: Yes. Do you know what is a standard ? Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps? Have you EVER been involved in standatrizing effort ? No, sadly. You? Did you ever READ a standard? Do RFCs or ISO standards qualify? In this case,

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo
VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps? You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides* VV No, sadly. You? ITYM "no, luckily". It isn't real flamewar unless it is over One True Standard. VV For some reason, I haven't saved the addresses of FUCKING VV

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Ira Abramov
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote: VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps? You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides* for that matter, YES. M$office is a DE FACTO standard. question is are we discussing de-facto or de-jure

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo
IA Given enough time and resource - definitely. Having made entire DB IA solution in pure Javascript (no, it wasn't fun), I'm firm in this. IA IA now THAT sounds impressive. does it parse XML too? do publish it in IA OpenSource :-) No, it didn't (though I guess I might do that too, in limited

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-24 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo on Mon, Jul 24, 2000: [standard] VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps? You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides* Now, Frodo, this is MEAN. Vadik. -- Spelling is a lossed art.

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-23 Thread Ury Segal
Quoth Ilya Khayutin on Fri, Jul 21, 2000: From this thread I got the impression that most people here think that C++ is still that language which has no standart, used by small groups of people and is realy useless. Well guys... IT IS NOT THE 80s ANYMORE!!! Pity. It is year

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-22 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Only if you're writing in the wild west. In most other places, people try not to shoot themselves in the foot by using undocumented APIs. Hello? Private class members have nothing to do with API _or_ documentation. It just hides the internal

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-22 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Moshe Zadka on Sat, Jul 22, 2000: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Private class members have nothing to do with API _or_ documentation. It just hides the internal structure. What do you mean "hides"? The private class members are right there in your face in the header

C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-21 Thread Ilya Khayutin
Hi, From this thread I got the impression that most people here think that C++ is still that language which has no standart, used by small groups of people and is realy useless. Well guys... IT IS NOT THE 80s ANYMORE!!! It is year 2000 and C++ is a standartized language which is used by a VERY

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-21 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: There is a big diffrence between a C++ class and a C struct: PRIVELEGE CONTROL!! In C everyone can directly intefere with any variable in the program, same with gtk+ which written in C. In C++ I can make some variable in a class private or

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-21 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Moshe Zadka on Fri, Jul 21, 2000: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: There is a big diffrence between a C++ class and a C struct: PRIVELEGE CONTROL!! In C everyone can directly intefere with any variable in the program, same with gtk+ which written in C. In C++ I can

Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)

2000-07-21 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Ilya Khayutin on Fri, Jul 21, 2000: From this thread I got the impression that most people here think that C++ is still that language which has no standart, used by small groups of people and is realy useless. Well guys... IT IS NOT THE 80s ANYMORE!!! Pity. It is year 2000 and C++