On Wed, Jul 24, 2002, Eliran wrote about "Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost":
> Well, we compared nethack ... Of course there are other games like Xbill,
> Xchess etc...
Yeah, Xbill is one game you're not likely to find on Windows machines! :)
To quote the XBill story line:
> having to read the manual for pysol?
Reading the manual of nethack...
> And they are a heck of a way to waste my time ;-(
Well, we compared nethack ... Of course there are other games like Xbill,
Xchess etc...
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On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> having to read the manual for pysol?
>
> pysol, fo example, is a great game, that comes bundled with linux [at
> least with my debian system].
>
> There areother "small" games. The kind that used to be popular before the
> "big productions" took over,
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote:
>
> >
> > Just for curiosity:
> >
> > Let's suppose that NetHack was game developed by Micro$oft
> > and Diabolo - by people from some OpenSource project.
> >
> > Will NetHack win then the above comparison ?
>
> No
Nadav Har'El wrote:
>Nowadays there are many graphical Linux games, but let's not kid ourselves:
>most (if not all) new games that thrill kids are for either Windows or
>game consoles, not for Linux. Kids who play games on Windows usually don't
>care that "Linux games are free!" because they also
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Eliran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I did. Nethack won. Did you have a point?
>
> This is what a UNIX user will say ^
Ummm.did you happen to see what list you were in? Yes, of course
that is what UNIX users say. In that respect, Linux won.
> of course some people do
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002, Eliran wrote about "Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost":
> > I did. Nethack won. Did you have a point?
>
> This is what a UNIX user will say ^, of course some people do prefer to
> work on graphical X games... not much really newbies mostly...
&
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote about "RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost":
> Just for curiosity:
>
> Let's suppose that NetHack was game developed by Micro$oft
> and Diabolo - by people from some OpenSource project.
>
> Will NetHack win th
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote:
>
> Just for curiosity:
>
> Let's suppose that NetHack was game developed by Micro$oft
> and Diabolo - by people from some OpenSource project.
>
> Will NetHack win then the above comparison ?
No. It isn't just about the company/people behind...
Reg
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> I will iterate my view of his point:
>
> Games are judged by many factors, two of which are playability and game
> experience.
>
> Playability will be roughly defined here as how well does the game
> capture the player's attention, and how long can
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 02:14:22PM +0300, Eliran wrote:
>
> > Nethack is a console game (even though there is a GUI version) that uses
> > the keyboard keys (not the arrows keys, A...Z keys) for moving and other
> > operations. Compare Diablo and Ne
I will iterate my view of his point:
Games are judged by many factors, two of which are playability and game
experience.
Playability will be roughly defined here as how well does the game
capture the player's attention, and how long can they keep his/her
interest, focusing his/her attention o
Just for curiosity:
Let's suppose that NetHack was game developed by Micro$oft
and Diabolo - by people from some OpenSource project.
Will NetHack win then the above comparison ?
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 02:14:22PM +0300, Eliran wrote:
> Nethack is a console game (even though there is a GUI version) that uses
> the keyboard keys (not the arrows keys, A...Z keys) for moving and other
> operations. Compare Diablo and Nethack.
I did. Nethack won. Did you have a point?
ObIGL
On 23 Jul 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote:
> > And try to calculate in your mind how many games for Linux do you remember.
>
> More than those I remember for Windows.
>
> > I mean real games, not NetHack - full graphics, animations and sound.
>
> Nethack is a real game. You define "real" as "game devel
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 11:49:56AM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > As for the Desktop sillinies, some historical perspective is due.
> > Somewhere around 1980 a couple of smart people in Xerox PARC and Apple
> > computers realised that in order t
Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As for the Desktop sillinies, some historical perspective is due.
> Somewhere around 1980 a couple of smart people in Xerox PARC and Apple
> computers realised that in order to get the mundanes to use computers
> they must make sure computers provide
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Walk to any "Atid ha Mahshevim" store and check how many game titles for
> Windows they have.
Why should I? When I want games I just "apt-get install" them
> Don't forget that every month there are ton of new games for M$ gets
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 08:44, Omer Zak wrote:
> > As for the 'Linux Lost' hugwash, I see where all my Windows-centric
> > *programers* friends ended up working (if at all) and I see where I and
> > other Linux people work and I know that *we* have won and will continue
> > to win. All the rest is j
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost
Come on :)
Walk to any "Atid ha Mahshevim" store and check how many game titles for Windows they have.
Don't forget that every month there are ton of new games for M$ gets developed.
And try to calculate in your mind how many games f
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can not compare seriously quantity and quality of games on Windows and
> Linux.
> And this is major use of computer at the most family homes... :(
Yes, you can.
I play games whenever I get tired of doing useful stuff (restin
On 22 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> As for the 'Linux Lost' hugwash, I see where all my Windows-centric
> *programers* friends ended up working (if at all) and I see where I and
> other Linux people work and I know that *we* have won and will continue
> to win. All the rest is just interti
Eliran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS.
> If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the
> installation easier.
>
For the record, me and another member of this list were paid for aprox.
3 years for bu
Eliran wrote:
>Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are
>available to purchase from locki.
>
sorry to point the obvious here, but loki went down in a mantle of flames
(have I gotten my mythologies mixed up ? o:-) )
so no, there are no serious new games for l
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 05:51:15PM +0200, Eliran wrote:
> About the games it's depend about what kind of games... Graphic games such
> as
> Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are
> available to purchase from locki.
Ehem, Loki's dead, has been for quite some t
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost
Not quality, it's the usage of the power of the
video card.
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Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost
You can not compare seriously quantity and quality of games on Windows and Linux.
And this is major use of computer at the most family homes... :(
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le to purchase from locki.
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From: "Oleg Goldshmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost
> Eliran <[EMA
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> On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote:
>
> >
> > > A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your
house
> > > you
Eliran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS.
> If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the
> installation easier.
True story:
Yesterday night an acquaintance asked me to help her with her
computer. She was
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote:
>
> > A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house
> > you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it
> > for you, or call a shiputznik.
> >
> > Quite the same with computers.
>
> But installations *should*
> A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house
> you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it
> for you, or call a shiputznik.
>
> Quite the same with computers.
But installations *should* be a basic and easy to use thing, at least that
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> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote:
>
> > > The user can be newbie and technophibic, as long as there is a
NextDoor
Orna Agmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Linux is complicated, becasue you compile.
Corollary: Windows is simple because no compiler comes with the system...
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"IBM is a pretty big company." [W. Gates]
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Oron Peled wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:51:09 +0300 (IDT) Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > The user can be newbie and technophibic, as long as there is a NextDoorKid
> > who can install the system and can drop by and help once in a while (isn't
> > it the sam
On Saturday 20 July 2002 16:17, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
> Ignoring hebrew support, there are no missing applications for most
> computer users.
No? How about encyclopedias, design your dream house, geographic maps, travel
planning, bookshelfs, etc.? You know, the kind of software you can buy in the
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:51:09 +0300 (IDT) Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The user can be newbie and technophibic, as long as there is a NextDoorKid
> who can install the system and can drop by and help once in a while (isn't
> it the same with windows users?).
It's exactly the same sit
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, "Eliran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still people need some sort of help in installing linux until someone will
> come up with a solution
> that will make the installation more "user-friendly" (yes, yes...). 'till
> then, Linux is still not for the
> faint of heart...
Aaarr
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