Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Actually, it is the ethernet card. I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but that's the way cable ISPs work. The modem is a sortof bridge, and the ethernet MAC address passes through. You can verify it quite easilly if you run arpwatch on a gateway. Shachar Disclaimer - I don't

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:57:06PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Actually, it is the ethernet card. I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but that's the way cable ISPs work. The modem is a sortof bridge, and the ethernet MAC address passes through. You can verify it quite easilly if you

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-08 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 05:11:05AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: The cable modem's MAC address is unique and unchangeable (as the standard dictates), and it's your only form of authentication (proving Supposedly its that way, only AFAIK hardware suppliers reuse mac addresses. Cheap Ethernet

RE: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-08 Thread Michael Sternberg
-Original Message- From: Ilya Konstantinov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 08 February, 2004 8:12 PM Tell me after you actually do it (that is - find a way to upload a custom firmware and crack that firmware to change the MAC address). Try http://www.tcniso.net/

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Itamar Ravid [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While talking to the representative, he mentioned something regarding direct connections using DHCP. I asked him more about it, and got the answer that I only have to call Aruzey Zahav, verify the matter with them and the PPTP tunnel issue will be

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Itamar Ravid
On 13:05 Sat 07 Feb, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The security issue has been discussed here in the past. Check the archives. Shachar Shemesh pointed out, rightly, that if someone forges your MAC address (something that is well beyond the technical ability of my elderly next-door neighbours, but in

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 01:22:02PM +0200, Itamar Ravid wrote: That is part of the reason I requested a direct connection. I've experienced a couple of times when the PPTP tunnel dropped beneath my feet. I don't believe it'll be so with a DHCP connection. You're right - the tunnel adds yet

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Itamar Ravid wrote: On 13:05 Sat 07 Feb, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The security issue has been discussed here in the past. Check the archives. Shachar Shemesh pointed out, rightly, that if someone forges your MAC address (something that is well beyond the technical ability of my elderly next-door

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Itamar Ravid wrote: The point in this post - I was wondering if there is anyone here who connects directly using DHCP. Using the PPTP dialer slows my boot-process by ~15 seconds, since the PPTP tunnel apparently takes some time to be established. Also, if I wasn't using a

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 01:05:32PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Itamar Ravid [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While talking to the representative, he mentioned something regarding direct connections using DHCP. I asked him more about it, and got the answer that I only have to call Aruzey

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Guy Teverovsky
Totally agree with every word. Yet my couple cents: The reason behind enforcing PPTP/PPPoE/PPPoA/L2TP/whatever tunnels is provisioning, accounting and QoS - all those can not be done to the satisfying extent when you are connected directly through DHCP. When on DHCP, the ISP has no ability to

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:47:31PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Its actually quite easy to do. I reset mine once when trying to fix a faulty card. If some sits at a point that they can sniff you network traffic they can get the mac address from the arp requests and then change the address on

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
Hi Guy, Maybe it wasn't your point, but it's all in the best traditions of driving a high level discussion into technicalities :) When on DHCP, the ISP has no ability to identify and classify the client. Consider the following services that ISPs provide today: - Have not surfed ? Will not

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Guy Teverovsky
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 02:42, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Hi Guy, Maybe it wasn't your point, but it's all in the best traditions of driving a high level discussion into technicalities :) As long as it's not a flame war, I'm with you on that one. When on DHCP, the ISP has no ability to

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:07:53AM +0200, Guy Teverovsky wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 02:42, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Hi Guy, Maybe it wasn't your point, but it's all in the best traditions of driving a high level discussion into technicalities :) As long as it's not a flame war, I'm

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:31:36AM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:47:31PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Its actually quite easy to do. I reset mine once when trying to fix a faulty card. If some sits at a point that they can sniff you network traffic they can get

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-07 Thread Guy Teverovsky
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 03:54, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: [snip] And what about the cases when you have a mail server spreading SPAM which is spoofing it's source IP address ? You can easily block the wrong customer if you are dealing only with source IP. Cisco's source-verify feature

Re: Annoyance with Israeli ISPs

2004-02-06 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:41:54AM +0200, Itamar Ravid wrote: The point in this post - I was wondering if there is anyone here who connects directly using DHCP. Using the PPTP dialer slows my boot-process by ~15 seconds, since the PPTP tunnel apparently takes some time to be established. Also,