Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Miki, It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Well, I have had one good experience with a Debian stable server. Upgrade from Potato to Woody via remote SSH

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Miki, It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Well, I have had one good experience with a Debian stable server.

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Oded Arbel
03 2004, 10:39,Jonathan Ben Avraham: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Miki, It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Well, I have had one

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Jonathan Ben Avraham: It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Wisest advice ever seen on this forum. Live upgrades are an idea for the adventure-minded. Instead, use different hardware to

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Miki, It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Hear, hear!

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I feel this is being dragged into a distro flamewar, but I'll bite anyways. Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I wanted to comment briefly on that. I have no experience with Mandrake, but a long history with Red Hat. In my experience: - Each system that was kept up-to-date by hand and on which newer,

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:33:27PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: Mandrake 9.2 upgrades cleanly older Mandrake systems (and at least on one occasion, a RedHat 8.x) - just stick it into your coffee holder and run /mnt/cdrom/live_update as root from X. it will present you with the Mandrake 9.2

RE: updating a production server

2004-03-03 Thread Iftach Hyams
Just a thought : If the server is dedicated to (IIRC) web server and SQL one can carefully make two versions available simultaniously (bounded to different IP). It will work with apache for sure. About SQL - it may conflict on the database (or the database structure) so deepen check is needed.

Re: updating a production server

2004-03-02 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Miki, It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it, ever. Instead, use different hardware to make a clean installation. Then migrate the data using rsync and test the new server at your leisure. When you and