Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-10 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Have you considered switching to SpamAssassin, SpamBayes, bogofilter
 or whatever? I'm using SpamAssassin, with some custom tweaks of the
 scores, etc. and I'm very happy with it.

Those are activated upstream from me. I filter what get through.

 Yes, but all such legitimate E-mails sent to the mailing list are
 ham according to the distinguishing factor between spam and
 ham. There's no reason to try and filter their messages according to
 the spam filters. By all means all such messages are not unsolicited
 bulk E-mail.

I never said they were. I still filter them. One man's spam is
another's reduced signal-to-noise ratio.

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 07 November 2005 22:52, Orna Agmon wrote:
 DEAR SHLOMI,

 MY NAME IS MS ORNA AGMON.

 I wanted to inform you that the Nigerian scam already has a special folder
 in my spam folder, and that my spam filter claims that you got your text a
 bit wrong.


What is your spam filter if I may be prudent enough to ask? Why don't you 
whitelist mail from mailing list which you know that are subscribers-only?

 You are cross posting in order to publically ask the public to create a
 fraud of the bank?


This is not a fraud. I was trying to get a private loan.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What is your spam filter if I may be prudent enough to ask? 

I don't see how it is prudent, I think it is rather impudent. 

FWIW, mine, in addition to what the ISP, the aliasing services, and
the server where my main accounts are hosted provide, is a proprietary
set of rather complicated rules coded in lisp, plus a set of simpler
procmail rules, plus the gnus' extensive scoring facility. Is that of
any help? By the way, apparently they ate your original post quite
successfully.

 Why don't you whitelist mail from mailing list which you know that
 are subscribers-only?

Why should anyone treat every subscriber to a mailing list the same?
Some are irritating flamers, some tend to post off-topic nonsense,
some provide a wealth of interesting information - all on the same
mailing list.

Now, I am reading this on Linux-IL, and this is the only reason I care
to reply to it, since I am not subscribed to the other lists in
Cc. Can anyone enlighten me regarding how exactly this topic is
related to the technical side of Linux?

Whoever cares to continue this thread - please don't cross-post to
Linux-IL - thank you.

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-09 Thread Gadi Evron

This is not a fraud. I was trying to get a private loan.


On a public mailing list.

Now don't get me wrong, I have no problem with your way of reaching your 
friends... but generally asking for money, and especially when it's for 
a private endevour, is better done more discreetly.


I doubt you had much success?

I had a personal problem with your post because on one hand, I wanted to 
turn into the flamer in me and teach you a lesson and on the other, 
hey, why should I care about one post to the list from a regular member 
which is private and self-serving? You stated it is and I may send a 
private email here as well one day.


Your choice of sending it here is questionable at best and might have 
best gone without comment, instead, people humoured you and tried to 
help by offering alternatives. You should expect at least some back-lash 
for taking on a 419-er look, whatever the true intention is.


It was stupid, imo, but I wish you all the best. Let us ALL stop 
discussing it now.


Gadi.

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Re: [Israel.pm] Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-09 Thread michael tewner
I don't understand why we're giving Shlomi here a hard time. This is to
benefit all of us. Good. Some (most?) of us can't help with the money, but
that doesn't mean we can be rude.

-mike


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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 17:12, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  What is your spam filter if I may be prudent enough to ask?

 I don't see how it is prudent, I think it is rather impudent.

 FWIW, mine, in addition to what the ISP, the aliasing services, and
 the server where my main accounts are hosted provide, is a proprietary
 set of rather complicated rules coded in lisp, plus a set of simpler
 procmail rules, plus the gnus' extensive scoring facility. Is that of
 any help? By the way, apparently they ate your original post quite
 successfully.

I see. %-)

Have you considered switching to SpamAssassin, SpamBayes, bogofilter or 
whatever? I'm using SpamAssassin, with some custom tweaks of the scores, etc. 
and I'm very happy with it.


  Why don't you whitelist mail from mailing list which you know that
  are subscribers-only?

 Why should anyone treat every subscriber to a mailing list the same?
 Some are irritating flamers, some tend to post off-topic nonsense,
 some provide a wealth of interesting information - all on the same
 mailing list.

Yes, but all such legitimate E-mails sent to the mailing list are ham 
according to the distinguishing factor between spam and ham. There's no 
reason to try and filter their messages according to the spam filters. By all 
means all such messages are not unsolicited bulk E-mail.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005, Orna Agmon wrote about Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal 
Loans so I can Collect Online Donations:
 DEAR SHLOMI,
 
 MY NAME IS MS ORNA AGMON.
 
 I wanted to inform you that the Nigerian scam already has a special folder
 in my spam folder, and that my spam filter claims that you got your text a
 bit wrong.

Indeed. I suggest you go to the next Annual Nigerian Email Conference to
learn how to make your mails more convincing. The previous conference,
which you can see in http://j-walk.com/other/conf/, discussed such enlightening
issues as The effectiveness of using all UPPERCASE characters.

:-)

But seriously now, please see the *serious* reply I sent you in hackers-il
on how you can actually do what you want in a more reasonable way.

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-08 Thread Alon Altman


Try using http://www.litrom.com/

They let you ask for donations payable by Israeli credit cards, and with no
deposit.

  Alon

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote:


Hi good people!

Throughout the years I have created (and still am creating) many useful and
free-as-in-speech digital resources: open source software, a home site with
many resources, presentations about various topics (including Perl for Perl
Newbies), essays, articles and fictitious stories. I placed them all on the
web for anyone to enjoy and learn from, without asking for anything in
return. I enjoy doing that and plan to continue doing that. However, I also
would like to start seeing some monetary benefit.

For this, I decided to add a PayPal donation button to my sites, so people can
donate money for me in exchange for benefiting from the fruits of my labour.
In order to accept credit cards donations PayPal requires two things:

1. An international credit card.

2. An account in a U.S. bank.

I recently opened an account at FIBI and they told me that in order to get an
international credit card I need to reserve 15,000 NIS. I don't have this
kind of money at the moment, and since I need a PayPal account to collect it,
I have a chicken and egg problem. But I figured out a way to resolve it.

If you feel that you know me well and that my work is worthy, please consider
giving me a personal loan of several 1,000's NIS. I will use it to set up my
PayPal account and to eventually gather enough money to pay it back.
(Possibly with some interest).


Thanks in advance,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-07 Thread Orna Agmon
DEAR SHLOMI,

MY NAME IS MS ORNA AGMON.

I wanted to inform you that the Nigerian scam already has a special folder
in my spam folder, and that my spam filter claims that you got your text a
bit wrong.

You are cross posting in order to publically ask the public to create a
fraud of the bank?

This is a new record.

Orna.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:30:15 +0200
 From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Linux-IL linux-il@linux.org.il, Hackers-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  Perl in Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online
 Donations

 Hi good people!

 Throughout the years I have created (and still am creating) many useful and
 free-as-in-speech digital resources: open source software, a home site with
 many resources, presentations about various topics (including Perl for Perl
 Newbies), essays, articles and fictitious stories. I placed them all on the
 web for anyone to enjoy and learn from, without asking for anything in
 return. I enjoy doing that and plan to continue doing that. However, I also
 would like to start seeing some monetary benefit.

 For this, I decided to add a PayPal donation button to my sites, so people can
 donate money for me in exchange for benefiting from the fruits of my labour.
 In order to accept credit cards donations PayPal requires two things:

 1. An international credit card.

 2. An account in a U.S. bank.

 I recently opened an account at FIBI and they told me that in order to get an
 international credit card I need to reserve 15,000 NIS. I don't have this
 kind of money at the moment, and since I need a PayPal account to collect it,
 I have a chicken and egg problem. But I figured out a way to resolve it.

 If you feel that you know me well and that my work is worthy, please consider
 giving me a personal loan of several 1,000's NIS. I will use it to set up my
 PayPal account and to eventually gather enough money to pay it back.
 (Possibly with some interest).


 Thanks in advance,

   Shlomi Fish

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 Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/

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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-07 Thread Marc A. Volovic

On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 22:52 +0200, Orna Agmon wrote:
 DEAR SHLOMI,
 MY NAME IS MS ORNA AGMON.
[snip]
 Orna.

Dear Mz. Agmon,

What a horrid and nasty post you made. You absolutely lack ANY sense of
humour, human and human feelings as well as even an inkling of the
rediculous.

Can you not get it in your head that Shlomi, is promoting the cause of
free-range chickens, defending their poor brethren rights, protesting
their distreatment with the heANDS OF NASTI AND HORRIBLE PEOPL WHO RAIZE
CHIKINS IN REAL SMALL CAGES WHERE MY FATHER WHO WAS THE MINISTER OF OIL
PRODUCTION IN OUR GLORIOUS CUNTRY WAS MURDERED BY THE DEPRAVED
MERCERNAIES IMPORETED FROM IZREAL BY THE FASCUITIC PRES. SESESCLUCK. HOW
EVER MY FATHER HAS SEKVESTRED $16,750,962.23 (SIXTEEN MILLION, SEVEN
HUNDRT, NEIN HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO US DOLARS AND TWENTY-THREE CENTS) IN
AN UNNUMBERED ACCOUNT IN THE BANK OF OUR CUNTRY.

I LIKE TO SHARE THA STASH WITH YOU IF YOU ONLY SEND ME A BIG BOX MADE OF
EGG CONTAINERS AND A SMALL TICKET TO BORA-BORA, BUISNES CLASS, PLEZ.

  From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
  would like to start seeing some monetary benefit.
 
  For this, I decided to add a PayPal donation button to my sites, so people 
  can
[snip]
  I have a chicken and egg problem. But I figured out a way to resolve it.




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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations

2005-11-07 Thread Gadi Evron

Shlomi Fish wrote:

Hi good people!

Throughout the years I have created (and still am creating) many useful and 
free-as-in-speech digital resources: open source software, a home site with 
many resources, presentations about various topics (including Perl for Perl 
Newbies), essays, articles and fictitious stories. I placed them all on the 
web for anyone to enjoy and learn from, without asking for anything in 
return. I enjoy doing that and plan to continue doing that. However, I also 
would like to start seeing some monetary benefit.


For this, I decided to add a PayPal donation button to my sites, so people can 
donate money for me in exchange for benefiting from the fruits of my labour. 
In order to accept credit cards donations PayPal requires two things:


1. An international credit card.

2. An account in a U.S. bank.

I recently opened an account at FIBI and they told me that in order to get an 
international credit card I need to reserve 15,000 NIS. I don't have this 
kind of money at the moment, and since I need a PayPal account to collect it, 
I have a chicken and egg problem. But I figured out a way to resolve it.


If you feel that you know me well and that my work is worthy, please consider 
giving me a personal loan of several 1,000's NIS. I will use it to set up my 
PayPal account and to eventually gather enough money to pay it back. 
(Possibly with some interest).


Is this a phishing email?

Gadi.

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