[PATCH] mm/page-writeback - highmem_is_dirtyable option (replaces dirty_highmem patch)

2007-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:10:28PM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:15PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: > > umm, really you want > > /proc/sys/vm/dont-account-highmem-in-dirty-memory-calculations, only > > shorter. > > > > Do you agree

dirty highmem calculation sysctl name (Was: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option)

2007-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:15PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:24:24 +1100 "Bron Gondwana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:28 -0800, "Andrew Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > said: > > &g

dirty highmem calculation sysctl name (Was: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option)

2007-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:15PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:24:24 +1100 Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:28 -0800, Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:42:04 +1100 Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

[PATCH] mm/page-writeback - highmem_is_dirtyable option (replaces dirty_highmem patch)

2007-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:10:28PM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:15PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: umm, really you want /proc/sys/vm/dont-account-highmem-in-dirty-memory-calculations, only shorter. Do you agree? I still read dirty_highmem as: /proc/sys

Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-26 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:28 -0800, "Andrew Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:42:04 +1100 Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > /* > > + * free highmem will not be subtracted from the total free memory > > +

Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-26 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:17AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > This patch includes some code cleanup from Linus and a toggle in > > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_highmem which can be set to 1 to add the highmem > > b

Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-26 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:53:17AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: This patch includes some code cleanup from Linus and a toggle in /proc/sys/vm/dirty_highmem which can be set to 1 to add the highmem back to the total available memory count

Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-26 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:28 -0800, Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:42:04 +1100 Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /* + * free highmem will not be subtracted from the total free memory + * for calculating free ratios if vm_dirty_highmem is true

[PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
t to 1 to add the highmem back to the total available memory count. Signed-off-by: Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Index: linux-2.6.23.8-reiserfix-fai-vmdirty/mm/page-writeback.c === --- linux-2.6.23.8-reiserfix-fai-vmdirty

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 10:51:15AM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:32:22AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > If this patch makes a difference, please holler. I think it's the correct > > thing to do, but I'm not going to actually commit it without someb

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:32:22AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > I guess we'll be doing the one-liner kernel mod and testing > > that then. > > The thing to look at is "get_dirty_limits()" in mm/page-writeb

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:32:22AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: I guess we'll be doing the one-liner kernel mod and testing that then. The thing to look at is get_dirty_limits() in mm/page-writeback.c, and in this particular case it's

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 10:51:15AM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 08:32:22AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: If this patch makes a difference, please holler. I think it's the correct thing to do, but I'm not going to actually commit it without somebody saying

[PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option

2007-11-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
count. Signed-off-by: Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Index: linux-2.6.23.8-reiserfix-fai-vmdirty/mm/page-writeback.c === --- linux-2.6.23.8-reiserfix-fai-vmdirty.orig/mm/page-writeback.c 2007-11-22 01:48:20.0 +

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:14:32PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: Sorry about not replying to this earlier. I actually got a weekend away from the computer pretty much last weekend - took the kids swimming, helped a friend clear dead wood from around her house before the fire season. Shocking I

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 04:13:18PM -0700, Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Thursday 15 November 2007 14:24, Rob Mueller wrote: > > > That's my personal opinion, and I realize that some of the > > > commercial vendors may care about their insane customers' > > > satisfaction, but I'm simply not

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 04:13:18PM -0700, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Thursday 15 November 2007 14:24, Rob Mueller wrote: That's my personal opinion, and I realize that some of the commercial vendors may care about their insane customers' satisfaction, but I'm simply not interested in

Re: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:14:32PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: Sorry about not replying to this earlier. I actually got a weekend away from the computer pretty much last weekend - took the kids swimming, helped a friend clear dead wood from around her house before the fire season. Shocking I

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 15-11-07 05:16, Bron Gondwana wrote: > >> Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple > > [ ... ] > >> I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA

mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:53:38PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > So even at 100% dirty limits, it won't let you dirty more than 1GB on the > > default 32-bit setup. > > Side note: all of these are obviously still just heuristics. If you

mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:53:38PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: So even at 100% dirty limits, it won't let you dirty more than 1GB on the default 32-bit setup. Side note: all of these are obviously still just heuristics. If you really

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 15-11-07 05:16, Bron Gondwana wrote: Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple [ ... ] I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA project of, I'd be wary of spending

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:24:53PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > And congratulations to him for that. We almost entirely dropped 2.6.16, > > but there's a regression some time since then that makes large MM

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:56:01PM +0100, Christian Kujau wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: >> There are a number of process things we _could_ do. Like >> - have bugfix-only kernel releases > > Adrian Bunk does (did?) this with 2.6.16.x, although it always seemed to me > like an

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote: > > Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC > >> From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on >>> vger?

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote: Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC From: Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on vger? That's also

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:56:01PM +0100, Christian Kujau wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: There are a number of process things we _could_ do. Like - have bugfix-only kernel releases Adrian Bunk does (did?) this with 2.6.16.x, although it always seemed to me like an

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:24:53PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: And congratulations to him for that. We almost entirely dropped 2.6.16, but there's a regression some time since then that makes large MMAPed files a major pain (specifically

Re: Ideas on column length in kernel "problem"?

2007-08-23 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:54:41PM -0400, Scott Thompson wrote: > Many free (and not-free) mail clients wordwrap. Hushmail wraps at > 68 (verified), Yahoo has options to wrap at a max of 99, and Gmail > was somewhere around 85-90 as I recall. Not sure on other free / > inexpensive clients.

Re: Ideas on column length in kernel problem?

2007-08-23 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:54:41PM -0400, Scott Thompson wrote: Many free (and not-free) mail clients wordwrap. Hushmail wraps at 68 (verified), Yahoo has options to wrap at a max of 99, and Gmail was somewhere around 85-90 as I recall. Not sure on other free / inexpensive clients.

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:39:07AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > If GPLv3 were to have a clause that permitted combination/linking with > code under GPLv2, this wouldn't be enough for GPLv3 projects to use > Linux code, and it wouldn't be enough for Linux code to use GPLv3 > projects. That's

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:23:57PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 21, 2007, "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of the GPLv3? Couldn't > >> > I take any > >> > GPLv3 program, combine it with a few lines of Linux code, and > >> >

Re: TUX2 filesystem

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 03:26:15PM -0700, Zach Brown wrote: > > Second, Oracle is now working on Btrfs (if ever a FS needed a better > > name... is that pronounced ButterFS?). > > (In our silliest moments, yes. Absolutely.) I'm sure when the PHBen are around it's "Better FS". It's all a

Re: TUX2 filesystem

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 03:26:15PM -0700, Zach Brown wrote: Second, Oracle is now working on Btrfs (if ever a FS needed a better name... is that pronounced ButterFS?). (In our silliest moments, yes. Absolutely.) I'm sure when the PHBen are around it's Better FS. It's all a

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:39:07AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: If GPLv3 were to have a clause that permitted combination/linking with code under GPLv2, this wouldn't be enough for GPLv3 projects to use Linux code, and it wouldn't be enough for Linux code to use GPLv3 projects. That's

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:23:57PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of the GPLv3? Couldn't I take any GPLv3 program, combine it with a few lines of Linux code, and Tivoize the result?

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-19 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Kyle Moffett wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, at 13:56:05, Bryan Henderson wrote: >>> The question remains is where to implement versioning: directly in >>> individual filesystems or in the vfs code so all filesystems can use it? >> >> Or not in the kernel at

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-19 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:10:42PM -0400, Kyle Moffett wrote: On Jun 18, 2007, at 13:56:05, Bryan Henderson wrote: The question remains is where to implement versioning: directly in individual filesystems or in the vfs code so all filesystems can use it? Or not in the kernel at all. I've

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:03:40PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > So you're arguing two sides of no argument at all. Yeah, pretty much. I take back my arguments in the previous couple of my posts up this thread. They don't actually hold together! Sorry for wasting your time correct me. Bron.

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:32:38AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:45:24AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > > Too bad everyone is spending time on 10 similar-but-slightly-different > > filesystems. This will likely end up with a bunch of filesystems that > > implement some

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 07:45:38PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > To be fair here, this could also be accomplished by having to flip a > > physical switch on the router, especially if you did something funky > >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 07:45:38PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: To be fair here, this could also be accomplished by having to flip a physical switch on the router, especially if you did something funky like: [---] push this button

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:32:38AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:45:24AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: Too bad everyone is spending time on 10 similar-but-slightly-different filesystems. This will likely end up with a bunch of filesystems that implement some easy

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:03:40PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: So you're arguing two sides of no argument at all. Yeah, pretty much. I take back my arguments in the previous couple of my posts up this thread. They don't actually hold together! Sorry for wasting your time correct me. Bron. -

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Jesper Juhl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >Let's say I'm the owner of a company selling some device that uses a > >GPLv2 OS and some GPLv2 applications to do the job. Let's say that for > >some reason I don't want the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:58:11PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > No, I'm arguing that it's not "mere aggregation" - the kernel is useless > > on that machine unless the BIOS is present or replaced wi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:38:43AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ah, but giving the user half the key doesn't mean they still don't have > > access > > to the entire key. QED: Giving people half the key won't cut it under the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:58:11PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > No, I'm arguing that it's not "mere aggregation" - the kernel is useless > > on that machine unless the BIOS is present or replaced with som

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:58:11PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: No, I'm arguing that it's not mere aggregation - the kernel is useless on that machine unless the BIOS is present or replaced with something else with equivalent functionality

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:38:43AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but giving the user half the key doesn't mean they still don't have access to the entire key. QED: Giving people half the key won't cut it under the GPLv3

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:58:11PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2007, Bron Gondwana wrote: No, I'm arguing that it's not mere aggregation - the kernel is useless on that machine unless the BIOS is present or replaced with something else with equivalent functionality

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 04:58:40PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jesper Juhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Let's say I'm the owner of a company selling some device that uses a GPLv2 OS and some GPLv2 applications to do the job. Let's say that for some reason I don't want the end users

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
[note: I'm writting this while offline and likely to remain so for the next 8 hours or so, so I'll probably miss a bunch of other replies] On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:14:29PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat,

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:22:21AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > because it could easily be argued that they linked the BIOS with the > > Linux kernel > > How so? (I'm going to refer to Lin

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:24:08AM -0300, Tomas Neme wrote: >> 1) What is "tat"? >> >> 2) How can I get some? >> >> 3) Where do I go to trade it in? > > 4) is it legal to consume it in my country? > > 5) should I have a designed driver when I do? 6) Is that allowed to be a binary-only driver or

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:24:08AM -0300, Tomas Neme wrote: 1) What is tat? 2) How can I get some? 3) Where do I go to trade it in? 4) is it legal to consume it in my country? 5) should I have a designed driver when I do? 6) Is that allowed to be a binary-only driver or does it have

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:22:21AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because it could easily be argued that they linked the BIOS with the Linux kernel How so? (I'm going to refer to Linux as GPLix from here on since this argument

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Bron Gondwana
[note: I'm writting this while offline and likely to remain so for the next 8 hours or so, so I'll probably miss a bunch of other replies] On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:14:29PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 16, 2007, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:22

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What happens if you're debugging something you think is a bug in the > > Linux kernel and then you run bang into some interactions that ma

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:38:41AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > #define Dell CFG_FAVOURITE_VENDOR > > > A Dell desktop machine is a piece of hardware. The manufacturer has the > > source

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:38:41AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #define Dell CFG_FAVOURITE_VENDOR A Dell desktop machine is a piece of hardware. The manufacturer has the source code (hypothetically) to the BIOS. The BIOS

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens if you're debugging something you think is a bug in the Linux kernel and then you run bang into some interactions that make you think the bug might

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:50:04AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > the GPL applies to software. It is a software license. > > the Tivo box is a piece of hardware. > > a disk is put into it with software copied to it already: a bootloader, > a Linux kernel plus a handful of applications. The free

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:25:19PM -0400, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > On 6/14/07, Dave Neuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 6/14/07, Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Nothing prevents you from taking tivos kernel >> > changes and building your own hardware to run that code on, and as

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:14:21AM -0400, Robin Getz wrote: > - gambling devices - which must have their software certified by various > government agencies - to make sure that the odds are known, and there are no > backdoors, and consumers don't get screwed - the manufacture can not allow >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:58:26AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tivo gets sick of the endless flamewars on lkml, signs a copy > > of QNX, pushes it out to the hardware. No more Linux on Tivo. > &g

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:58:26AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 14, 2007, Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tivo gets sick of the endless flamewars on lkml, signs a copy of QNX, pushes it out to the hardware. No more Linux on Tivo. What do we lose? Do we actually get any

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:14:21AM -0400, Robin Getz wrote: - gambling devices - which must have their software certified by various government agencies - to make sure that the odds are known, and there are no backdoors, and consumers don't get screwed - the manufacture can not allow

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:25:19PM -0400, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: On 6/14/07, Dave Neuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/14/07, Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing prevents you from taking tivos kernel changes and building your own hardware to run that code on, and as such the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:50:04AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: the GPL applies to software. It is a software license. the Tivo box is a piece of hardware. a disk is put into it with software copied to it already: a bootloader, a Linux kernel plus a handful of applications. The free software

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-13 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 02:52:48AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > What if TiVo had put the kernel in a burned-in ROM (not flash, or on a > > flash ROM with no provision for reprogramming it)? Would that also > > violate the "spirit" of the GPL? Must any device that wishes to include > > GPL code

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-13 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 02:52:48AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: What if TiVo had put the kernel in a burned-in ROM (not flash, or on a flash ROM with no provision for reprogramming it)? Would that also violate the spirit of the GPL? Must any device that wishes to include GPL code include

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Tarkan Erimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (*) And I've been pushing for that since before they even released > > > it - I walked out on Bill Joy at a private event where they > > > discussed their horrible previous Java

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Tarkan Erimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) And I've been pushing for that since before they even released it - I walked out on Bill Joy at a private event where they discussed their horrible previous Java license.

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-05-07 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 05:13:47PM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > New drivers since 2.6.16.39: > > - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support > > - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor > > Sorry -

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-05-07 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 05:13:47PM +1100, Bron Gondwana wrote: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: New drivers since 2.6.16.39: - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor Sorry - I think I just sent a blank reply

Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager)

2007-03-05 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:14:25PM -0600, Matt Mackall wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 04:46:09PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > That's not the point. The point is that Debian/unstable as of _this > > > morning_ doesn't work. For reference, I'm running both the latest > > > releases of both hal

Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager)

2007-03-05 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:14:25PM -0600, Matt Mackall wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 04:46:09PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: That's not the point. The point is that Debian/unstable as of _this morning_ doesn't work. For reference, I'm running both the latest releases of both hal

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-19 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:57:50AM +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: > Now, let us assume that the data device takes 90% of the disk space, and > the meta-data device the other 10%. When the data device gets full, the > meta-data blocks will be using the half of the meta-data device, and the >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] DualFS: File System with Meta-data and Data Separation

2007-02-19 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:57:50AM +0100, Juan Piernas Canovas wrote: Now, let us assume that the data device takes 90% of the disk space, and the meta-data device the other 10%. When the data device gets full, the meta-data blocks will be using the half of the meta-data device, and the

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-02-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > New drivers since 2.6.16.39: > - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support > - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor Sorry - I think I just sent a blank reply to this! Oops. I was going to say - thanks. We'll definitely be

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-02-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > New drivers since 2.6.16.39: > - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support > - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor > > > Location: > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ > > git tree: >

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-02-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: New drivers since 2.6.16.39: - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor Location: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ git tree:

Re: Linux 2.6.16.40

2007-02-11 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: New drivers since 2.6.16.39: - Areca ARC11X0/ARC12X0 SATA-RAID support - AMD Athlon64/FX and Opteron temperature sensor Sorry - I think I just sent a blank reply to this! Oops. I was going to say - thanks. We'll definitely be

Reiserfs and MMAP (was: How many people are using 2.6.16?)

2007-01-31 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:02:37AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > reiserfs: > commit de14569f94513279e3d44d9571a421e9da1759ae > [PATCH] resierfs: avoid tail packing if an inode was ever mmapped > backport to 2.6.16 required Which would explain the "notail" I've been careful to cargo-cult into

Reiserfs and MMAP (was: How many people are using 2.6.16?)

2007-01-31 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:02:37AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: reiserfs: commit de14569f94513279e3d44d9571a421e9da1759ae [PATCH] resierfs: avoid tail packing if an inode was ever mmapped backport to 2.6.16 required Which would explain the notail I've been careful to cargo-cult into every

Re: How many people are using 2.6.16?

2007-01-30 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:36:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Mark Lord wrote: > > > > I believe our featherless leader said he though it was an ancient bug, > > exasperated by something that went into 2.6.19. > > > > If Linus's opinion is correct (still?), then

Re: How many people are using 2.6.16?

2007-01-30 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:36:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Mark Lord wrote: I believe our featherless leader said he though it was an ancient bug, exasperated by something that went into 2.6.19. If Linus's opinion is correct (still?), then the bug exists

Re: How many people are using 2.6.16?

2007-01-29 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 04:04:48PM -0500, Mike Houston wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:30:00 -0500 > Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there any way to estimate the size of the user base for 2.6.16? > > > > e.g. how many downloads does it get? > > I've often wondered that myself,

Re: How many people are using 2.6.16?

2007-01-29 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 04:04:48PM -0500, Mike Houston wrote: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:30:00 -0500 Chuck Ebbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to estimate the size of the user base for 2.6.16? e.g. how many downloads does it get? I've often wondered that myself, as I'm

Re: Areca driver 2.6.19 on x86_64

2006-12-06 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 05:51:32PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OS distro used: > CentOS 4.4 x86_64 > Kernel 2.6.19 with hand-crafted config, that we are > able to use successfully with kernel 2.6.16.20. What patches were you applying to 2.6.16.20, since that didn't have an Areca driver in

Re: Areca driver 2.6.19 on x86_64

2006-12-06 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 05:51:32PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OS distro used: CentOS 4.4 x86_64 Kernel 2.6.19 with hand-crafted config, that we are able to use successfully with kernel 2.6.16.20. What patches were you applying to 2.6.16.20, since that didn't have an Areca driver in it I

Re: Pathetic write performance from Areca PCIe cards

2006-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:34:23AM +0800, erich wrote: > Dear Maurice Volaski, > > Please update Areca Firmware version into 1.42. > Areca's firmware team found some problems on high capacity transfer. > Hope the weird phenomenon should disappear. Erich, is there anyone at Areca that you can

Re: Pathetic write performance from Areca PCIe cards

2006-11-27 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:34:23AM +0800, erich wrote: Dear Maurice Volaski, Please update Areca Firmware version into 1.42. Areca's firmware team found some problems on high capacity transfer. Hope the weird phenomenon should disappear. Erich, is there anyone at Areca that you can pass on

Re: 2.6.12.2 dies after 24 hours

2005-07-12 Thread Bron Gondwana
). It's fixed in generic_write, so we take the few percent performance hit for something that doesn't break! Bron. -- Bron Gondwana [EMAIL PROTECTED] patch-2.6.12.2-reiserfix.bz2 Description: Binary data

Re: 2.6.12.2 dies after 24 hours

2005-07-12 Thread Bron Gondwana
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