Seems to have crashed, we don't know the cause yet. Is there anyone who is
dependent on this tonight? If so I'll drive down and fix it (yeah, very lame
of us, we moved it to a different rack which was too far away from our remote
power so I can't power cycle it remotely. Our bad.)
Let me know,
Seems to have crashed, we don't know the cause yet. Is there anyone who is
dependent on this tonight? If so I'll drive down and fix it (yeah, very lame
of us, we moved it to a different rack which was too far away from our remote
power so I can't power cycle it remotely. Our bad.)
Let me know,
The machine that did the updates was down for a couple of days, I just brought
it back up and did a manual update. Both kernels are up to date with the
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> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:38:53PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
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> > Hey, it's open source, I'm hoping that people will take that code and
> > evolve it do whatever they need. We're willing to do what we can on
>
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Hey, it's open source, I'm hoping that people will take that code and
evolve it do whatever they need. We're willing to do what we can on
this end if people need
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:50:40PM -0700, Erik Andersen wrote:
> On Thu Mar 17, 2005 at 04:10:53PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > I got swamped, I'll look at this after dinner. But you might take a look
> > at this: http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html which is a lin
license, it's a joke. BSD license OK with everyone?
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I got swamped, I'll look at this after dinner. But you might take a look
at this: http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html which is a link
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> *.bkbits.net (port 8080) seems to reply with no data.
> And "bk pull" on linux-2.5 also fails.
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> > > He should be back now, maybe he can tell us more about what happened ?
> >
> > We had a nameserver problem and the machine dedicated to
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He should be back now, maybe he can tell us more about what happened ?
We had a nameserver problem and the machine dedicated to this didn't get
updated with a new
> He should be back now, maybe he can tell us more about what happened ?
We had a nameserver problem and the machine dedicated to this didn't get
updated with a new resolve.conf. It's fixed now and updating, probably
be there in an hour.
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He should be back now, maybe he can tell us more about what happened ?
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updated with a new resolve.conf. It's fixed now and updating, probably
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> crippled version if it hurts Linus.
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> It is my choice whether or not to use it.
Yup, it is. Always has been even for the kernel because of our hard
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e. We tried
to be specific so that we were restricting the tiny subset of the world
that wants to hack SCM, not everyone else. Because that's different
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It is my choice whether or not to use it.
Yup, it is. Always has been even for the kernel because of our hard
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interested and I came with the conclusion, rightly or
wrongly, that the vast majority of the people who did real work didn't
care about the license and the noisy people just wanted to pick a fight.
If I was wrong and this is valuable I can look into putting it up on
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. If they are more interested
in using BK then they would prefer the other way. The people we spoke
with were far more interested in the ability to move people onto BK when
they needed to.
But it's a good idea and we'd certainly be willing to flip to your way
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even if
it hurts 2000 other people that only want to download the lastest
snapshots from BK, it really doesn't matter. Let us complain, but
unless Linus decides to go elsewhere, we are stuck. So don't do the
crippled version if it hurts Linus.
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96% of the deltas that the BK
tree has. 96%. So you are trying to tell us all that you need the
last 4% of the deltas so you can create a *different* system than BK?
Come on, gimme a break already, you aren't fooling anyone.
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> On Fri, February 11, 2005 11:18 am, Larry McVoy said:
> >The mails have started flowing in saying "I don't agree with Alexandre
> >and please don't pull the plug" so a point of clarification. We have
> &g
it isn't helping then we'll shut it down.
>
> On the other hand, if you can't achieve that consensus then perhaps you
> might consider broadening your definition of "help" to include something
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eful tree.
You are also right that figuring out the merges is a pain. So what?
We never said that we'd figure out how to do all this well and then
teach you how to do it well.
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:56:02AM -0800, none given wrote:
On Fri, February 11, 2005 11:18 am, Larry McVoy said:
The mails have started flowing in saying I don't agree with Alexandre
and please don't pull the plug so a point of clarification. We have
no intention of shutting down the BK free
are trying to tell us all that you need the
last 4% of the deltas so you can create a *different* system than BK?
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of good for your community, we continue to provide the tools,
the support, the infrastructure, and we do it in spite of it not being
a very good business decision. If we get no credit in your mind for
all of that then I don't think we have any basis for further discussion.
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of good for your community, we continue to provide the tools,
the support, the infrastructure, and we do it in spite of it not being
a very good business decision. If we get no credit in your mind for
all of that then I don't think we have any basis for further discussion.
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ome very satisfying mathematical qualities and that's really fun
coming from the kernel background where things are far less deterministic.
You can actually write proofs about how things work for a change.
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OK, that's it for me, I have to go work on slides for a talk so have the
big fun, I'm signing off on this thread.
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> Are you saying that it is now OK to write scripts that would bit bang
> on
> the bkbits http interface to fetch patches/comments with the purpose
> of
> populating an alternate scm? Andreas tried that a while ago but you
>
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> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > You know, you could change all this. Instead of complaining that we
> > are somehow hurting you, which virtually 100% of the readers know is
> > nonsense, y
lling you to change the GPL for my benefit.
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is not there, could we either replace it with actual GPLed
code or remove the driver?
You are missing the point that there are two licenses. Roman is trying
to tell us to change our license. The point you missed was that that's
the same as me telling you to change the GPL for my benefit.
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:17:48PM -0500, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
You know, you could change all this. Instead of complaining that we
are somehow hurting you, which virtually 100% of the readers know is
nonsense, you could be producing an alternative
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:13:48PM -0500, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
Are you saying that it is now OK to write scripts that would bit bang
on
the bkbits http interface to fetch patches/comments with the purpose
of
populating an alternate scm? Andreas tried that a while ago but you
threatened to
.
OK, that's it for me, I have to go work on slides for a talk so have the
big fun, I'm signing off on this thread.
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>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
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> > Nice, Roman. All I need is a cooperating third party who is willing to
> > give me your code under a different (albeit invalid) license.
>
> S
need is a cooperating third party who is willing to
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>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> > I think you are dreaming. You've gone from wanting enough information
> > to supposedly debug your source tree to being explicit about wanting to
&g
challenging, far more so than most people realize and that makes it
fun.
If we get a new hire from the kernel list I'll stick the changeset markers
into the CVS tree so you can group the patches, I can see where that
might be helpful for debugging.
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> On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 03:38:41PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 08:38:48PM +0100, Stelian Pop wrote:
> > > > Nope: he digs the bk-commit mailing list archives.
> > > >
ate a competing
system. That skates you right up agains the license restrictions but
those restrictions are simply not a problem for people who are just
trying to get their job done.
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Sigh. Roman, I started to write a reply but in reading over the thread
I realized you are just grinding your ax and have nothing new to say.
Sorry, go bother someone else, I'm busy.
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On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 03:38:41PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 08:38:48PM +0100, Stelian Pop wrote:
Nope: he digs the bk-commit mailing list archives.
Interesting, I fergot about those commit mails
more so than most people realize and that makes it
fun.
If we get a new hire from the kernel list I'll stick the changeset markers
into the CVS tree so you can group the patches, I can see where that
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Hi,
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
I think you are dreaming. You've gone from wanting enough information
to supposedly debug your source tree to being explicit about wanting to
recreate the entire BK history
is willing to
give me your code under a different (albeit invalid) license.
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Hi,
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
Nice, Roman. All I need is a cooperating third party who is willing to
give me your code under a different (albeit invalid) license.
Short version: Bullshit.
Long version: See
don't give you a roadmap? Well gosh darn, that
must really suck for you. I'm really sorry that you can't figure it out
without our help but that's sort of the whole point, isn't it?
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of that choice.
And the disadvantage is very slight as has been shown. You can argue
all you want about the amount of disadvantage but it is your choice that
has placed you in that position.
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Does that mean you don't need anything from us?
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the sub patches which happened on the
collapsed branch. You wouldn't get 100% of the information but you'd
have 96% of it in a way that could be used for debugging, which is what
I suspect you are after.
If that's not good enough then I'm not sure there is much point in
continuing the conv
we'll reexport the 2.4 and 2.5 histories from scratch
so you get the info going backwards in time.
So, do you think you can sign up the usual suspects to being happy with
this answer? And do you mind spelling out exactly what it is that you
think is being offered so there is no confusion lat
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 02:01:27PM +0100, Stelian Pop wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 02:28:54PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
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> > > > CVS BitKeeper [*]
> > > > Deltas 235,956 280,212
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> > >
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 02:01:27PM +0100, Stelian Pop wrote:
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 02:28:54PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
CVS BitKeeper [*]
Deltas 235,956 280,212
Indeed, for now the differences are rather small. But with more
going backwards in time.
So, do you think you can sign up the usual suspects to being happy with
this answer? And do you mind spelling out exactly what it is that you
think is being offered so there is no confusion later?
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that could be used for debugging, which is what
I suspect you are after.
If that's not good enough then I'm not sure there is much point in
continuing the conversation.
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And it worked. That ought to have some value in your eyes. Maybe
enough to respect our terms.
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> As Peter said, once every 6 hours is fine. Or even more often, what
> the heck, as I said in a previous post I don't think an incremental
> export is that much costly. It could be done at the same time as
> the -bkX patches...
I'll see what I can do.
> Speaking from the out-BK point of view,
or both? If nothing else we should
> have the old kernel.org server, dual P3/1133 with 6 GB RAM, coming
> free soon.)
>
> Please let me know if there is something that should be put on
> kernel.org; we can host repositories there of course.
>
> -hpa
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As Peter said, once every 6 hours is fine. Or even more often, what
the heck, as I said in a previous post I don't think an incremental
export is that much costly. It could be done at the same time as
the -bkX patches...
I'll see what I can do.
Speaking from the out-BK point of view, what
that, and you are just the sort to try and reverse engineer it.
As a business strategy it was foolish. But it wasn't a business decision,
it was a choice that I made because I wanted to help Linus.
And it worked. That ought to have some value in your eyes. Maybe
enough to respect our terms.
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