Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 03:32:49PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:43:04PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > Can't you just boot with /dev/disk/by-id/ and an initramfs to not have > > to worry about such a thing in the future? > > Initramfs isn't something I've ever tried, so

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 03:32:49PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:43:04PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Can't you just boot with /dev/disk/by-id/ and an initramfs to not have to worry about such a thing in the future? Initramfs isn't something I've ever tried, so I'm not

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-15 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:16:42PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > There are any number of things you can do when the system is booted, but > the only thing you can do when the system won't boot is use kernel boot > options. Greg's not removing your option to boot the system using an old kernel

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-15 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:16:42PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: There are any number of things you can do when the system is booted, but the only thing you can do when the system won't boot is use kernel boot options. Greg's not removing your option to boot the system using an old kernel to

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-14 Thread Bill Davidsen
Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:41:07AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-14 Thread Bill Davidsen
Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:41:07AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Ellerman
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:46 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 13-02-08 13:16, Michael Ellerman wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > >> On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: > >> > While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago > I was

Re: [discuss] "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 09:00:15PM +0100, Dirk GOUDERS wrote: > > > Hm, so, to summarize: > > - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly > > - you don't need this today > > > > So, if the option went away, you would not be inconvenienced? > > After having

Re: [discuss] "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
> Hm, so, to summarize: > - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly > - you don't need this today > > So, if the option went away, you would not be inconvenienced? After having reanimated the old system and after comments of other persons I would not be

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:43:04PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > Can't you just boot with /dev/disk/by-id/ and an initramfs to not have > to worry about such a thing in the future? > Can comebody remind me what the initramfs is for in that situation, please ? From the little I've noticed, I

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 13:06, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me from having to switch disks around to still have a bootable

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 13:16, Michael Ellerman wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Ellerman
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: > > >> While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago > >> I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed > >> ide=reverse to save me from having to switch disks

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me from having to switch disks around to still have a bootable system. Or some such. Not too clear

Re: [discuss] "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
> Hm, so, to summarize: > - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly > - you don't need this today I would summarize: - ide=reverse solved certain problems and I am not sure if there are users who still need this option > So, if the option went away,

Re: [discuss] "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:54:55AM +0100, Dirk GOUDERS wrote: > Hi, > > > I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI > > devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get > > away with only 1 list.) > > > > The only bother I've found so far is the

Re: [discuss] "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
Hi, > I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI > devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get > away with only 1 list.) > > The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() > function, it's used in 2 places, IDE and the calgary

Re: [discuss] ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
Hi, I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() function, it's used in 2 places, IDE and the calgary driver.

Re: [discuss] ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:54:55AM +0100, Dirk GOUDERS wrote: Hi, I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the

Re: [discuss] ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
Hm, so, to summarize: - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly - you don't need this today I would summarize: - ide=reverse solved certain problems and I am not sure if there are users who still need this option So, if the option went away, you

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Ellerman
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me from having to switch disks around to

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 13:16, Michael Ellerman wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 13:06, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a PCI Promise IDE controller and needed ide=reverse to save me from having to switch disks around to still have a bootable

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 08:43:04PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Can't you just boot with /dev/disk/by-id/ and an initramfs to not have to worry about such a thing in the future? Can comebody remind me what the initramfs is for in that situation, please ? From the little I've noticed, I thought

Re: [discuss] ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Dirk GOUDERS
Hm, so, to summarize: - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly - you don't need this today So, if the option went away, you would not be inconvenienced? After having reanimated the old system and after comments of other persons I would not be inconvenienced

Re: [discuss] ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 09:00:15PM +0100, Dirk GOUDERS wrote: Hm, so, to summarize: - you needed this option many years ago to get a box to work properly - you don't need this today So, if the option went away, you would not be inconvenienced? After having reanimated the old

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Ellerman
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:46 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 13:16, Michael Ellerman wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:06 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 05:44, Greg KH wrote: While details escape me somewhat again at the monment, a few months ago I was playing around with a

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:41:07AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: > >> I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI >> devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get >> away with only 1 list.) >> The only bother I've found

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:43:29AM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:15:07PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > I'm curious if we really still support the ide=reverse option? It's a > > config option that I don't think the distros still enable (SuSE does > > not). Is this still

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:15:07PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > I'm curious if we really still support the ide=reverse option? It's a > config option that I don't think the distros still enable (SuSE does > not). Is this still needed these days? > My "server" has a consumer-grade desktop amd64

Re: "ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() function, it's used in 2 places,

"ide=reverse" do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
Hi, I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() function, it's used in 2 places, IDE and the calgary driver. I'm

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Rene Herman
On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() function, it's used in 2 places,

ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
Hi, I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is the pci_get_device_reverse() function, it's used in 2 places, IDE and the calgary driver. I'm

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:43:29AM +, Ken Moffat wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:15:07PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: I'm curious if we really still support the ide=reverse option? It's a config option that I don't think the distros still enable (SuSE does not). Is this still needed

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:41:07AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 13-02-08 01:15, Greg KH wrote: I'm reworking the pci device list logic (we currently keep all PCI devices in 2 lists, which isn't the nicest, we should be able to get away with only 1 list.) The only bother I've found so far is

Re: ide=reverse do we still need this?

2008-02-12 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:15:07PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: I'm curious if we really still support the ide=reverse option? It's a config option that I don't think the distros still enable (SuSE does not). Is this still needed these days? My server has a consumer-grade desktop amd64 mobo,