Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 16.09.2018 21:22, Linus Torvalds wrote: Hi, > One was simply my own reaction to having screwed up my scheduling of > the maintainership summit: yes, I was somewhat embarrassed about > having screwed up my calendar, but honestly, I was mostly hopeful that > I wouldn't have to go to the

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 16.09.2018 21:22, Linus Torvalds wrote: Hi, > One was simply my own reaction to having screwed up my scheduling of > the maintainership summit: yes, I was somewhat embarrassed about > having screwed up my calendar, but honestly, I was mostly hopeful that > I wouldn't have to go to the

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.10.2018 16:57, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Very often people will propose patches that do solve their specific case > but only do 10% or maybe 20% of what is needed for a general kernel > level solution. For something that just works and does not cause > maintenance problems in the long

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.10.2018 16:57, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Very often people will propose patches that do solve their specific case > but only do 10% or maybe 20% of what is needed for a general kernel > level solution. For something that just works and does not cause > maintenance problems in the long

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 18.09.2018 03:30, Pavel Snajdr wrote: Hi folks, I usually try to stay out of political issues in software projects (there're already too much real political problems, where people need to stand up and push away actual oppressors), but now I have the bad feeling that political (or more

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 18.09.2018 03:30, Pavel Snajdr wrote: Hi folks, I usually try to stay out of political issues in software projects (there're already too much real political problems, where people need to stand up and push away actual oppressors), but now I have the bad feeling that political (or more

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-04 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Pavel Snajdr writes: > > We started our organization (vpsFree.org) on top of OpenVZ patch set and are > now > working to get vanilla up to the task of replacing the venerable 2.6.32-based > OpenVZ 6 Linux-like thing. The new Code of Conduct is a guarantee for us, that > we won't be laughed out

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-10-04 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Pavel Snajdr writes: > > We started our organization (vpsFree.org) on top of OpenVZ patch set and are > now > working to get vanilla up to the task of replacing the venerable 2.6.32-based > OpenVZ 6 Linux-like thing. The new Code of Conduct is a guarantee for us, that > we won't be laughed out

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > l...@lkcl.net - 30.09.18, 14:09: >> the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human >> beings. > > During releasing a lot of limiting "stuff" I found that probably nothing > written or said can hurt my feelings

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > l...@lkcl.net - 30.09.18, 14:09: >> the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human >> beings. > > During releasing a lot of limiting "stuff" I found that probably nothing > written or said can hurt my feelings

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
l...@lkcl.net - 30.09.18, 14:09: > > That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords > > I read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is > > an important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with > > swearing at code :), especially when it is in some

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
l...@lkcl.net - 30.09.18, 14:09: > > That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords > > I read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is > > an important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with > > swearing at code :), especially when it is in some

Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread lkcl
> That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I > read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an > important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at > code :), especially when it is in some humorous way. absolutely, and this

Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread lkcl
> That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I > read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an > important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at > code :), especially when it is in some humorous way. absolutely, and this

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/09/27/1529236/linus-torvalds-on-linuxs-code-of-conduct#comments linus: ah... um... okay so this is beginning to remind me of dr who films, the comedy film "the world's end", and various other b-movie horror shows where people were taken over through

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-30 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/09/27/1529236/linus-torvalds-on-linuxs-code-of-conduct#comments linus: ah... um... okay so this is beginning to remind me of dr who films, the comedy film "the world's end", and various other b-movie horror shows where people were taken over through

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
linus, hi, i haven't been able to get hold of a copy of "invisible dynamics" yet however my partner did track down a... "translation" of the six systemic laws from family to organisational principles (from where they were originally derived). the book puts the systemic laws in a clearer way and

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
linus, hi, i haven't been able to get hold of a copy of "invisible dynamics" yet however my partner did track down a... "translation" of the six systemic laws from family to organisational principles (from where they were originally derived). the book puts the systemic laws in a clearer way and

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-21 Thread Michael Woods
Hi Pavel, and how about if we viewed the new Code of Conduct as about the same thing as BitKeeper was for the development process? You should view the Code of Conduct for what it is, as I referenced previously with real world examples, the evidence shows that it is just a ploy to take control

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-21 Thread Michael Woods
Hi Pavel, and how about if we viewed the new Code of Conduct as about the same thing as BitKeeper was for the development process? You should view the Code of Conduct for what it is, as I referenced previously with real world examples, the evidence shows that it is just a ploy to take control

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f ahh, guys? ah... i'm going to try *really* hard to follow the advice that's listed here ok? http://www.pndc.com/documents/_PDF%20Text-PNDC%20WORKS.pdf it's a little challenging

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f ahh, guys? ah... i'm going to try *really* hard to follow the advice that's listed here ok? http://www.pndc.com/documents/_PDF%20Text-PNDC%20WORKS.pdf it's a little challenging

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Pavel Snajdr
On 2018-09-17 23:09, Michael Woods wrote: The Code of Conflict was perfectly fine. Whomever convinced you to add the Code of Conduct was convincing you to give control over to a social justice initiative that has no interest in the kernel's core function or reason for existence. Hi Michael,

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Pavel Snajdr
On 2018-09-17 23:09, Michael Woods wrote: The Code of Conflict was perfectly fine. Whomever convinced you to add the Code of Conduct was convincing you to give control over to a social justice initiative that has no interest in the kernel's core function or reason for existence. Hi Michael,

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Michael Woods
Hi Linus, > The one change that stands out and merits mention is the code of > conduct addition... The Code of Conflict was perfectly fine. Whomever convinced you to add the Code of Conduct was convincing you to give control over to a social justice initiative that has no interest in the

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Michael Woods
Hi Linus, > The one change that stands out and merits mention is the code of > conduct addition... The Code of Conflict was perfectly fine. Whomever convinced you to add the Code of Conduct was convincing you to give control over to a social justice initiative that has no interest in the

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Joe Perches
On Sun, 2018-09-16 at 12:22 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Greg Kroah-Hartman (1): > Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. I believe it would be better if this sort of change had on-list and public discussion before being applied.

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Joe Perches
On Sun, 2018-09-16 at 12:22 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Greg Kroah-Hartman (1): > Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. I believe it would be better if this sort of change had on-list and public discussion before being applied.

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Guenter Roeck
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:22:43PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > [ So this email got a lot longer than I initially thought it would > get, but let's start out with the "regular Sunday release" part ] > > Another week, another rc. > Build results: total: 135 pass: 134 fail: 1 Failed

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread Guenter Roeck
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:22:43PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > [ So this email got a lot longer than I initially thought it would > get, but let's start out with the "regular Sunday release" part ] > > Another week, another rc. > Build results: total: 135 pass: 134 fail: 1 Failed

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread opal hart
The new kernel rc release is good news as always. The rest of this? not so much. "I can’t wait for the mass exodus from Linux now that it’s been infiltrated by SJWs. Hahahah" -- @CoralineAda on Twitter [1][2] You really want people like this attempting to sabotage FOSS projects? I for one am not

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-17 Thread opal hart
The new kernel rc release is good news as always. The rest of this? not so much. "I can’t wait for the mass exodus from Linux now that it’s been infiltrated by SJWs. Hahahah" -- @CoralineAda on Twitter [1][2] You really want people like this attempting to sabotage FOSS projects? I for one am not

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
hi linus, just saw the note on slashdot. i just wanted to say how amazed, relieved and delighted i was to see what you wrote. that you recognised that you needed to reflect, *sought feedback*, and, most importantly, were willing and able to discuss that and ask publicly. as the longest-serving

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
hi linus, just saw the note on slashdot. i just wanted to say how amazed, relieved and delighted i was to see what you wrote. that you recognised that you needed to reflect, *sought feedback*, and, most importantly, were willing and able to discuss that and ask publicly. as the longest-serving

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Rene Herman

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Rene Herman

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Rene Herman
Hi Linus. I was "around linux-kernel" some 10 years ago and still to this date sometimes check e.g. lkml.org where I happened upon this; felt it hard to resist commenting on one specific bit... Whereas you concentrate on net-positive effect on code quality of an at times "crass" communication

Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Rene Herman
Hi Linus. I was "around linux-kernel" some 10 years ago and still to this date sometimes check e.g. lkml.org where I happened upon this; felt it hard to resist commenting on one specific bit... Whereas you concentrate on net-positive effect on code quality of an at times "crass" communication

Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Linus Torvalds
[ So this email got a lot longer than I initially thought it would get, but let's start out with the "regular Sunday release" part ] Another week, another rc. Nothing particularly odd stands out on the technical side in the kernel updates for last week - rc4 looks fairly average in size for

Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

2018-09-16 Thread Linus Torvalds
[ So this email got a lot longer than I initially thought it would get, but let's start out with the "regular Sunday release" part ] Another week, another rc. Nothing particularly odd stands out on the technical side in the kernel updates for last week - rc4 looks fairly average in size for