Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-12 Thread Richard Cochran
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:22:14PM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: > >The answer to "is it desirable to improve X?" is always "yes."  But > > the only way to make progress in Linux is to actually post patches > that "improve X."  This is unlike many corporate environments, where > you might need to get

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-12 Thread Richard Cochran
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:22:14PM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: The answer to is it desirable to improve X? is always yes.  But the only way to make progress in Linux is to actually post patches that improve X.  This is unlike many corporate environments, where you might need to get somebody's

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Mark Galeck
>The answer to "is it desirable to improve X?" is always "yes."  But the only way to make progress in Linux is to actually post patches that "improve X."  This is unlike many corporate environments, where you might need to get somebody's approval Precisely. Please excuse me coming from a

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! >> >> Does the Linux-Kernel Community perceive that is the case? >> >> If so, do you think it is possible to improve? >> >> If so, would such an attempt be welcome, including and especially by, the >> current maintainer(s) of the build?

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > Does the Linux-Kernel Community perceive that is the case? > > If so, do you think it is possible to improve? > > If so, would such an attempt be welcome, including and especially by, the > current maintainer(s) of the build?  Of course it would have to be completely >

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! Does the Linux-Kernel Community perceive that is the case? If so, do you think it is possible to improve? If so, would such an attempt be welcome, including and especially by, the current maintainer(s) of the build?  Of course it would have to be completely backwards-compatible,

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Hi! Does the Linux-Kernel Community perceive that is the case? If so, do you think it is possible to improve? If so, would such an attempt be welcome, including and especially by, the current maintainer(s) of the build? Of

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-11 Thread Mark Galeck
The answer to is it desirable to improve X? is always yes.  But the only way to make progress in Linux is to actually post patches that improve X.  This is unlike many corporate environments, where you might need to get somebody's approval Precisely. Please excuse me coming from a corporate

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-02 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 01:46:45AM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: > >> Linux kernel build, while correct, is somewhat slow, and the sources > > >> could be more readable. > > Greg wrote: > >How is it "slow"?   > > Well, the proportion of time spent by the CPU cores on activities > other than

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Galeck
>> Linux kernel build, while correct, is somewhat slow, and the sources >> could be more readable. Greg wrote: >How is it "slow"?   Well, the proportion of time spent by the CPU cores on activities other than compiling seemed high. >What "sources" are you referring to as being not readable?

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-02 Thread Mark Galeck
Linux kernel build, while correct, is somewhat slow, and the sources could be more readable. Greg wrote: How is it slow?   Well, the proportion of time spent by the CPU cores on activities other than compiling seemed high. What sources are you referring to as being not readable? Not not

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-02 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 01:46:45AM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: Linux kernel build, while correct, is somewhat slow, and the sources could be more readable. Greg wrote: How is it slow?   Well, the proportion of time spent by the CPU cores on activities other than compiling seemed high.

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-01 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:12:01PM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: > Dear Linux-Kernel Community, > > I am a consultant specializing in builds, and I recently worked for a > large client company, a world-wide leader in its field, where I > overhauled their build system: sped it up by more of an order

is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-01 Thread Mark Galeck
Dear Linux-Kernel Community, I am a consultant specializing in builds, and I recently worked for a large client company, a world-wide leader in its field, where I overhauled their build system: sped it up by more of an order of magnitude, and improved maintainability, for example making

is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-01 Thread Mark Galeck
Dear Linux-Kernel Community, I am a consultant specializing in builds, and I recently worked for a large client company, a world-wide leader in its field, where I overhauled their build system: sped it up by more of an order of magnitude, and improved maintainability, for example making

Re: is it desirable to improve the build system?

2013-07-01 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:12:01PM -0700, Mark Galeck wrote: Dear Linux-Kernel Community, I am a consultant specializing in builds, and I recently worked for a large client company, a world-wide leader in its field, where I overhauled their build system: sped it up by more of an order of