On 6 Sep 2000, Henrik [ISO-8859-1] Størner wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linus Torvalds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about this patch?
NOTE NOTE NOTE! I'm on my way home now to be a family man, so I've not
actually tested it AT ALL. You have been warned.
"When in doubt, always mount
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andries Brouwer wrote:
: I described the cause on Mon, 14 Aug 2000, and soon afterwards
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent a corrected (I hope - didnt check)
: patch to l-k. (Look for: Pekka Riikonen, Re: devfs / eth micro-problems)
:
: I see that this patch didnt make it into
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Dalecki) wrote on 06.09.00 in
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Alexander Viro wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Martin Dalecki wrote:
Easy - the same way you do for cross compilation. Basically just:
export CC=g++ --some-magic-long-option-i-dont-remember; make
... and
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, S.J. Black wrote:
Of all the bugs i've run into, this is one of the oddest. Hopefully,
i've a) got all the req'd information here and b)a hope of finding a
solution/workaround/a facsimile thereof to the problem.
System Spec's: K6-2/500
64 MB RAM
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
+ lvm_devfs_handle = devfs_register(
+ 0 , "lvm", 0, 0, LVM_CHAR_MAJOR,
Does this really have to go into /dev rather than a subdirectory?
Yes. The userlevel tool can't handle other things without recompiling.
I can't use /dev/lvm, too because
1. This function is only used in the poorly maintained ftape driver.
The usage there isn't appriopriate for modern kernels.
The ftape driver isnt exactly poorly maintained. Its just not integrated into
2.3/2.4. Ftape 4.0 is still elsewhere
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7854 [gftp defunct] exit_notify
7855 [gftp defunct] exit_notify
31281 [xmms defunct] exit_notify
31282 [xmms defunct] exit_notify
31285 [xmms defunct] exit_notify
31717 [xmms defunct] exit_notify
test8-pre5
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"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
As readability - it's definitely at least as readable as
#if[def]. It also provides more consistent syntax. And when you are
using ifdef to violate scoping - your code is in need of rewrite anyway.
You still need the #ifdef stuff as well for half of it so I dont see what
it buys you
-
Heya acme... seems you fixed the sr.c driver a bit too much and
killed an #ifdef MODULE that was needed if you build without
modules (as I do on some of my SPARCs)... this change was made
in 2.4.0-test8-pre5...
drivers/scsi/scsidrv.o: In function `init_sr':
drivers/scsi/scsidrv.o(.text+0x1ece8):
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Peter Samuelson wrote:
- VIA ide driver update (well, rewrite - the old one was buggy and broken)
Can someone explain this line from the VIA update?
#define FIT(v,min,max) (((v)(max)?(max):(v))(min)?(min):(v))
Barring side effects on the variables, it is
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:35:16PM -0400, Kernel Related Emails wrote:
Has this been integrated into the 2.4.0-testX kernels? And if so which
version?
No, it hasn't.
A version with a workaround is at
ftp://ftp.sw.com.sg/pub/Linux/people/saw/kernel/v2.3/
It has been submitted it to Linus, but
Hi all
When I'm in user mode and malloc ram this portion of ram is cleared (zeroed)
or?
i think it is!
My question is
who cleared it the kernel or the malloc function in glibc??
(i found some code in glibc but nothing in kernel)
thx
mfg
Frank Peters
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
"Mike A. Harris" wrote:
Here Mike, we need to update your email signature block to reflect your
new avocation (this is where I try to be your mega-buddy). I think the
reason I'm so obtuse is that God gave me such a thick skin (or perhaps a
thick
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:52:42PM +0100,
Tigran Aivazian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
argggh couldn't they keep the rutgers.edu to be valid... or keep
redhat.com - it's much easier to remember than kernel.org :)
redhat.com easier to remember than kernel.org? We're talking bout the
kernel
Hi!
Is anyone using cramfs?
We use cramfs everyday at http://handhelds.org with Linux
2.4.0-test6-rmk1-np2-hh1. We have no problems.
I use test4-pre3 from linux-vr tree.
I copy cramfs image from nfs onto /dev/ram0, then mount it. It mounts,
and first few accesses are okay, but then
Is it / will it be possible to run multiple, or at least two keyboards
before the new linux console code in 2.5?
What we would like to do is to run multiple user sessions off a single
machine. Using either Dualhead graphics cards, or simply using two
graphics cards, the display is not a problem
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Richard Gooch wrote:
Yes. The userlevel tool can't handle other things without recompiling.
Don't worry about that. I can add a rule to devfsd so it creates
appropriate compatibility entries.
But the userlevel tool needs fixed too. Recompiling is fine, as long as
it
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank Peters wrote:
My question is who cleared it the kernel or the malloc function in
glibc?? (i found some code in glibc but nothing in kernel) thx
it's the second clear_user_highpage() in mm/memory.c that does the page
clearing in the typical malloc()-ed memory case.
Alan Cox wrote:
1. This function is only used in the poorly maintained ftape driver.
The usage there isn't appriopriate for modern kernels.
The ftape driver isnt exactly poorly maintained. Its just not integrated into
2.3/2.4. Ftape 4.0 is still elsewhere
This is wrong, since last
George Anzinger wrote:
This patch, for 2.4.0-test6, allows the kernel to be built with full
preemption.
Neat. Congratulations.
...
The measured context switch latencies with this patch
have been as high as 12 ms, however, we are actively working to
isolate and fix the areas of the
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:42:02AM -0700, Joshua Uziel escreveu:
Heya acme... seems you fixed the sr.c driver a bit too much and
killed an #ifdef MODULE that was needed if you build without
Nope, I didn't touched this, Jens?
- Arnaldo
modules (as I do on some of my SPARCs)... this change
On Wed, Sep 06 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:42:02AM -0700, Joshua Uziel escreveu:
Heya acme... seems you fixed the sr.c driver a bit too much and
killed an #ifdef MODULE that was needed if you build without
Nope, I didn't touched this, Jens?
Yeah, this
Hi !
This is a bug reporting, included are the output of various /proc file on
my system:
Motherboard: ASUS P2B-F with the latest bios bx2f113.awd (microcode update)
ISDN: Winbond based card (Hisax type=36)
Distribution: based on updated SuSE 6.4
The problem is that if I compile the kernel
Hubert Tonneau wrote:
Benchmarking Pliant (http://pliant.cx/) semaphores led to unexpectedly
low results. The problem to either kernel bad features or bugs in my
program since Pliant uses no glue library such as glibc: it calls
directly kernel funtions.
Not enough scheduling problem:
What IS this urge to be handicapped
when trying to debug the most important pieces of what gets
delivered on the distribution CDROMs. Is it, "I'm so hairy chested
that I can code with one metaphorical arm tied behind my
equally cliched back?"
There are those that like to visualize things
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 03:48:53PM +, Heinz J. Mauelshagen wrote:
I can add a patch that does full-blown devfs
checking to the tools, but this needs a lot of work.
Actually changing the tools to recognize devfs seems fairly simple.
I am already working on it.
_But_ the LVM Metadata
"J. Dow" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
[...]
I note again that the same arguement applies vis a vis printk
and desk checks with a paper and pencil. The printk leverages
the capable person's time. The kernel debugger leverages
the capable person's time. What IS this urge to be handicapped
when
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:02:15PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 03:48:53PM +, Heinz J. Mauelshagen wrote:
I can add a patch that does full-blown devfs
checking to the tools, but this needs a lot of work.
Actually changing the tools to recognize devfs
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Andi Kleen wrote:
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/\"correct\"_arp_reply_interface_selection
It is called arpfilter. Here is the old 2.2.16 version (applies to 2.4
with minor changes)
It is useful for various things, one of them being automatic load
balancing for incoming
--On 09/05/00 21:35:13 -0400 Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, hopefully this will make sense...
__block_commit_write calls balance_dirty, which might wait on bdflush,
running all the io on the page. The async_end_io handlers will unlock
the page once io on all the buffer heads is
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:14:02PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
How about this patch?
Got this oops.
Tim.
*/
ksymoops 2.3.3 on i586 2.4.0-test8-pre5+trfix. Options used
-V (default)
-k /proc/ksyms (default)
-l /proc/modules (default)
-o
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, A Duston wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to contact the ps2esdi maintainer, as I have
some questions about the driver. I have an ancient PS/2
Thinkpad that gives an annoying but cosmetic error when
it boots.
I can't recall a time where that cosmetic error didn't exist.
Guido Trentalancia schrieb:
Hello Guido,
Hi !
This is a bug reporting, included are the output of various /proc file on
my system:
Motherboard: ASUS P2B-F with the latest bios bx2f113.awd (microcode update)
ISDN: Winbond based card (Hisax type=36)
Distribution: based on updated SuSE
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andrey Savochkin wrote:
Hello,
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 02:57:54PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
I'm having endless problem with an eepro100 here. After some trying found out
that doing a soft reset (ctrl+alt+del) fixed the problem, and that a power
cycle
* Admin Mailing Lists ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Andrey Savochkin wrote:
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 02:57:54PM -0300, Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
I'm having endless problem with an eepro100 here. After some trying found out
that doing a soft reset (ctrl+alt+del)
Jamie Lokier writes:
Chris Wedgwood wrote:
I think would be really cool if all this 'magic' in gcc (whatever
part of gcc is irrelevant right now) would be exported into a library
or shared object which editors could then load and use... dynamically
perhaps.
Sorry, there's a GCC policy
Hi
Here is a patch for the acenic-v0.46 driver relative to whats in
test8-pre4 - it solves a few bugs and cleans up a few minor issues in
the code and comments.
I have been unable to test this patch but looking over the changes I
cannot see any reason why it would cause problems.
Jes
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Chris Mason wrote:
Ah, I was missing that __block_prepare_write and __block_write_fullpage
both set the end_io handler to end_io_sync. In one case, reiserfs is doing
i/o without properly setting the handler, which is why I was seeing bugs
caused by the above
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tim Waugh wrote:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:14:02PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
How about this patch?
Got this oops.
This one I cannot explain.
It's a bh that is NULL, but it's a new case completely. It looks like you
have a 1kB blocksize, no? It furthermore looks
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Alan Cox wrote:
As readability - it's definitely at least as readable as
#if[def]. It also provides more consistent syntax. And when you are
using ifdef to violate scoping - your code is in need of rewrite anyway.
You still need the #ifdef stuff as well for
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
Nope. These magic numbers were added as a stopgap
measure when VM was completely fouled up in 2.1.89.
ok, but at least do you agree that that tunable is unused and therefore
can be thrown away? Or are you saying it is unused today but shall be used
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Martin MaD Douda wrote:
Problem: every bloody line will go through the parser. There is too many
lines. Compilation is realy slow today. I'm affraid this approach would
make it worse. Note that 2.4.0-test7 has more than 2.75 milion lines.
Or did you mean drivers will
Mike Jagdis wrote:
I disagree. No one here is dumb enough to use a wholely inappropriate
tool for a particular task. But using a debugger is often (but not
always) like sawing bits off your 2x4 until it happens to fit the
gap. What you need to do is to understand the problem parameters,
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tim Waugh wrote:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:14:02PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
How about this patch?
Got this oops.
Code; c012cae6 block_truncate_page+d2/1c8 =
0: 8b 00 movl (%eax),%eax =
Offset 0 is -b_next... Huh? It
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Richard Gooch wrote:
Jamie Lokier writes:
Chris Wedgwood wrote:
I think would be really cool if all this 'magic' in gcc (whatever
part of gcc is irrelevant right now) would be exported into a library
or shared object which editors could then load and use...
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
Nope. These magic numbers were added as a stopgap
measure when VM was completely fouled up in 2.1.89.
ok, but at least do you agree that that tunable is unused and
therefore can be thrown away?
I can
Jes,
I've been debugging a new acenic device for HP and have been using a
linux machine for bring up. One of the problems we encountered was a
need to change the cards MAC address. Under linux ia32, the driver set
an invalid MAC address. If I would
say
ifconfig eth0 hw ether
Alexander Viro writes:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Richard Gooch wrote:
Jamie Lokier writes:
Chris Wedgwood wrote:
I think would be really cool if all this 'magic' in gcc (whatever
part of gcc is irrelevant right now) would be exported into a library
or shared object which
A reboot with 2.4.0-test7 (on i386 at least) doesn't properly "release"
the card and hang the computer after displaying Linux PCMCIA options, just
before YENTA IRQ is displayed no matter which kernel is then used to boot
or segfault windows 98SE. Only way is to turn down computer. With the
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 05:37:50PM +0100, Tigran Aivazian escreveu:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
now the driver init sequence is not
serialized anymore, so races are possible
since when? In 2.4.0-test8-pre2
Also sprach Dan Aloni:
} On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Peter Samuelson wrote:
}
} Can someone explain this line from the VIA update?
}#define FIT(v,min,max) (((v)(max)?(max):(v))(min)?(min):(v))
} Barring side effects on the variables, it is equivalent to
}#define FIT(v,min,max)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jamie Lokier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linus Torvalds wrote:
And I'm saying that if people really want to do this, then use the
computer to do it for you, having more than just "grep", and making your
tools aware of it.
I'd just like to add, for the benefit of
There is a race condition somewhere in linux-2.2.15 and 2.2.16 that is
demonstrated here.
Cut and save the included 'Makefile'.
Execute:
mkdir zam
mv Makefile zam
cd zam
Make sure you are in the empty directory with only "Makefile"
Execute:
while true ; do make clean ; done
The file,
In article 8p5u21$r0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
However, what I think Al Viro dislikes about this is that it does tend
to leave code that won't compile, just because some of the accesses are
in places that the compiler doesn't see due to the pre-processor (or due
to other build-rules: like
We could use some more infrastructure here.
(1) A 'make randomconfig' tool that generates a random configuration.
(2) Make the architecture a configuration variable (!)
(3) A collection of RPM's so that people can download and install
all the cross tools easily.
With this stuff available,
Isn't it time to offer the platitude about working smarter rather than
harder?
Nah, probably not.
Marty
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From: Alan Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6 Sep 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
At the same time, there is no question that true #ifdef's have
advantages, even outside the issue of gcc's inability to forget literal
strings. They are often required for data structures in general: C does
not have "conditional data structures".
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote:
We could use some more infrastructure here.
(1) A 'make randomconfig' tool that generates a random configuration.
(2) Make the architecture a configuration variable (!)
(3) A collection of RPM's so that people can download and
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, mberglund wrote:
Recently I purchased a PPC 7200. It is a beat up old mac that I could pick
up cheap. I have used intels since I was a boy (SysV3.3 on 386!) and saw
some characteristics of the mac that were lacking in the intel boxes.
Finally, I tried to use the box to
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote:
We could use some more infrastructure here.
(1) A 'make randomconfig' tool that generates a random configuration.
There already are people that do this.
The problem is that developers are lazy. All good programmers are lazy.
They want
Linus writes ...
mec (2) Make the architecture a configuration variable (!)
linus Why?
The real reason is that it's the right thing to do. Part of a
configuration is "what machine it's for".
Here are some benefits:
(a) Arjan's testing machinery would catch problems in all architectures,
It appears that SCSI cdroms as modules are broken in 2.4.0-test8.
It works fine 2.4.0-test7.
cat /dev/scd0
cat: /dev/scd0: No such device
Module Size Used by
isofs 20168 0 (autoclean)
sg 21712 0 (unused)
sr_mod 13224
Alexander Viro wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Michael Elizabeth Chastain wrote:
We could use some more infrastructure here.
(1) A 'make randomconfig' tool that generates a random configuration.
(2) Make the architecture a configuration variable (!)
(3) A collection of RPM's so that
On Wed, Sep 06 2000, Lawrence Walton wrote:
It appears that SCSI cdroms as modules are broken in 2.4.0-test8.
It works fine 2.4.0-test7.
cat /dev/scd0
cat: /dev/scd0: No such device
Yup, apparently I was a bit too trigger happy.
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Mike Galbraith wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Damien Miller wrote:
Tools like a KDB would make the kernel a lot more accessible to the
time-poor.
Kdb is available to all. I think it should be _integrated_ mostly
because of the (potential) improvement in bug report quality.
Well, yes
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Alexander Viro wrote:
On 6 Sep 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
However, what I think Al Viro dislikes about this is that it does tend
to leave code that won't compile, just because some of the accesses are
in places that the compiler doesn't see due to the
I agree completely. I'd love to see it there.
I'd even help break^W fix it.
~Randy
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|NOTE: Any views presented here are mine alone |
|and
On Wed, Sep 06 2000, Jens Axboe wrote:
It appears that SCSI cdroms as modules are broken in 2.4.0-test8.
It works fine 2.4.0-test7.
Bah, try this one instead...
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--- /opt/kernel/linux-2.4.0-test8-pre5/drivers/scsi/sr.cWed Sep 6
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Martin Dalecki wrote:
IRONY ON
So may I just suggest to repleace the usage of cpp at all with something
more
suitable for the task at hand and with a much more regular/stringent
syntax
better fitting into the syntax of the pure C language like m4 for
example?
/IRONY
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Alexander Viro wrote:
Add "and that broken code gets fixed in utterly bogus ways 20 versions
down the road, when nobody remembers WTF had happened". Repeat several
times (and rarely-used parts _will_ accumulate such crap) and you've got
Lovecraftian beasts lurking in
Alexander Viro wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Martin Dalecki wrote:
IRONY ON
So may I just suggest to repleace the usage of cpp at all with something
more
suitable for the task at hand and with a much more regular/stringent
syntax
better fitting into the syntax of the pure C language
Alan Cox wrote:
I've spent over 2 years trying to extract eepro100 server docs out of Intel
and failed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sounds familiar :-)
Very familiar. I have a whole development environment for the i960RP
(we use the processor on boards we make) and by looking at pictures
I was
Hi,
Just installed linux-2.4.0-test7, but I noticed that the modules get
installed
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/...
which is different from previous kernels. Do I need to modify modules
path in conf.modules in order that the modules can be found during
boot? or is there an
Hello!
I'm just trying to compile a kernel for my sparc and found a bug in the
above file:
In line 170:
dev-de = devfs_register (devfs_handle, devname, DEVFS_FL_DEFAULT,
VFC_MAJOR, instance,
S_IFCHR | S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR,
* Jens Axboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000906 06:32]:
On Wed, Sep 06 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:42:02AM -0700, Joshua Uziel escreveu:
Heya acme... seems you fixed the sr.c driver a bit too much and
killed an #ifdef MODULE that was needed if you build
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 05:37:50PM +0100, Tigran Aivazian escreveu:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
now the driver init sequence is not
serialized anymore, so
Just make sure you have the latest modutils.
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 03:09:02PM -0400, Andrew Park wrote:
Hi,
Just installed linux-2.4.0-test7, but I noticed that the modules get
installed
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/...
which is different from previous kernels. Do I
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote:
very nice monologue, thanks. It would be great to know Linus' opinion. I
mean, I knew Linus' opinion of some years' ago but perhaps it changed? He
is a living being and not some set of rules written in stone so perhaps
current
What video driver are you using? Fbcon or vgacon? If Fbcon which fbdev
driver in particular?
This would be vgacon, having never figured out if it's even possible
to get framebuffers working on the machine.
Also, the normal power-saving/screen-saving function of blanking the
screen is
I'm trying to compile 2.2.17 with gcc 2.96, and it shows a lot of
warnings like this in several files.
warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing token
And fails to compile with the error:
checksum.S:231: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
It's the update to gcc2.96 causing
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 06:28:27PM +0100, Tigran Aivazian escreveu:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
Em Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 05:37:50PM +0100, Tigran Aivazian escreveu:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Tigran Aivazian wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
Linus Torvalds wrote:
Apparently, if you follow the arguments, not having a kernel debugger
leads to various maladies:
- you crash when something goes wrong, and you fsck and it takes forever
and you get frustrated.
- people have given up on Linux kernel programming because it's too
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arjan van de Ven) said:
[...]
This is technically not true. I can cross-compile with my tools just fine,
it "just" requires a decent cross-compiler on my system[1] [2].
That helps weeding out non-compile combinations. The _real_ fun ones are
those which boot and eat your
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Michael Peddemors wrote:
Is there any sort of plan to help newbie kernel programmers to
get to the point where the Linus's and Alan's of the world will
take them under their wings?
On the risk of repeating myself:
http://kernelnewbies.org/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ask
Michael Peddemors [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
[...]
Because I'm a bastard, and proud of it!
Linus
Any general thoughts on how to keep recruiting the next generation of
bastards?
Clean design, clean code. Modularization. Better (internal) documentation.
--
Dr. Horst
Linus Torvalds wrote:
And quite frankly, for most of the real problems (as opposed to the stupid
bugs - of which there are many, as the latest crap with "truncate()" has
shown us) a debugger doesn't much help. And the real problems are what I
worry about. The rest is just details. It will
Apparently, if you follow the arguments, not having a kernel debugger
leads to various maladies:
- you crash when something goes wrong, and you fsck and it takes forever
and you get frustrated.
'It crashed.'
[Spend hour teaching and end user to patch kdb]
'It crashed, it says foo, but
I'm trying to compile 2.2.17 with gcc 2.96, and it shows a lot of
Dont
It's the update to gcc2.96 causing this problems?? How can i get to
compile the kernel?
Use a different gcc. There are reasons people shipping 2.96 for intel x86 also
include egcs. The kernel isnt ready for 2.96
-
To
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
To do this, we need to be taught how. Where are the manuals
for these potential power saws? What books do we read? What courses
do we take? What websites do we visit? In short, wheres the beef?
Where does one learn the theory and concepts that go into
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff V. Merkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linus Torvalds wrote:
Apparently, if you follow the arguments, not having a kernel debugger
leads to various maladies:
- you crash when something goes wrong, and you fsck and it takes forever
and you get frustrated.
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Alan Cox wrote:
For things like driver debugging its the only way to work. Hardware simply does
not work like the manual says and no amount of Zen contemplation will ever
make you at one with a 3c905B ethernet card.
This is probably the best argument for a kernel
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tim Waugh wrote:
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:29:49AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
Just change block_truncate_page() to use b_this_page instead of b_next.
That seems to fix it.
Obvious
I'm really really really looking forward to the first kernel
since 2.3.7 that doesn't
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Horst von Brand wrote:
Michael Peddemors [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Because I'm a bastard, and proud of it!
Linus
Any general thoughts on how to keep recruiting the next generation of
bastards?
Clean design, clean code. Modularization.
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
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Oh. And sure, when things crash and you fsck and you didn't even get a
clue about what went wrong, you get frustrated. Tough. There are two kinds
of reactions to that: you start being careful, or you start whining about
a kernel debugger.
http://www.net-security.org/text/articles/viruses/generation.shtml
describes a new generation of viruses which use NTFS stream support to
hide themselves.
"Certainly, this virus begins a new era in computer virus creation,"
said Eugene Kaspersky, Head of Anti-Virus Research at Kaspersky Lab.
Tigran Aivazian wrote:
sorry, I've done it again...
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:29:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Tigran Aivazian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [patch-2.4.0-test8-pre5] bugfixes for rtc
Linus Torvalds wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff V. Merkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linus Torvalds wrote:
Apparently, if you follow the arguments, not having a kernel debugger
leads to various maladies:
- you crash when something goes wrong, and you fsck and it takes
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Daniel Phillips wrote:
Linus Torvalds wrote:
And quite frankly, for most of the real problems (as opposed to the stupid
bugs - of which there are many, as the latest crap with "truncate()" has
shown us) a debugger doesn't much help. And the real problems are what I
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Marco Colombo wrote:
As you said, the are two kinds of reactions. I don't understand why you
think that the presence of a debugger will *prevent* people from doing
the Right Thing and "think about problems another way". Are debuggers so
evil? Will a KDB option in the
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
Think of rabbits. And think of how the wolf helps them in the end. Not
by being nice, no. But the rabbits breed, and they are better for having
to worry a bit.
You know those huge, sharp teeth on the wolf? Want to make them longer
and
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