,
as well. An explicit statement is even worse than an implicit one (as in
the GPLv2, which has been tested in a German court by Harald Welte -
Siemens had to turn in the keys).
And now flame me to death ;-).
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compatible linux-some.version-bp kernel. And
into this kernel, I can add code under GPLv3 (once the GPLv3 is ready and
there's code worth to add under GPLv3), which limits me to redistribute the
whole thing under GPLv3.
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http
follow the advice didn't read the GPL, and therefore understand
it even less ;-)?
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different. But a
contract or a license still is not a program where anything that isn't said
explicitely isn't said at all.
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driver, which is
just as closed, but works.
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in the US, who
goes after the violators.
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.
What's true: We don't have the moral power to define *where* the software
goes, but we have the moral power to define *how* users can change the
software when they own the hardware (the physical representation).
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-for-tat), it's transient. If
there's a loop in the transient propagation, it becomes reflective through
the loop, but not by itself. This was the case in GPLv1, is the case in
GPLv2, and will be the case in GPLv3.
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http
On Thursday 14 June 2007 17:39, Al Viro wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:23:20AM +0200, Bernd Paysan wrote:
A number of kernel hacker deliberately want their work under GPLv2 only
(like Al Viro), and they are fully entitled to do that - but they must
announce it in a propper place
On Friday 15 June 2007 01:08, Rob Landley wrote:
On Thursday 14 June 2007 07:27:59 Bernd Paysan wrote:
Where is the boundary between hard- and software?
Software's the bit that's infinitely replicable at zero cost. Hardware
tends not to be.
There's no zero cost for software replication
settle fast. Settlement is way cheaper than a
court verdict, so most sane people choose to settle (unfortunately it's
often the insane people who go to court ;-).
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from the authors. The
way the GPLv2 allows you to explicitely specify any version is by not
saying anything about the version at all. Linus isn't in the positition to
change that unless he does a substantial change to the file, and also adds
a comment that this file is now GPLv2 only.
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using the GPL, has to pass on all the rights he got. If you get a
court verdict depends on the law system, and in an anglo-saxonian (roman)
system, you might get away by exploiting loopholes, but in a Code Napoleon
system, you don't, because exploiting loopholes is not good faith.
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GPL version 1.1 (but the code is really v2 or later).
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, and in the USA, the legal sysem might do
the opposite.
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to provide all the scripts and stuff you use to make it easy for you.
Come on, *READ* the GPL, before you argue.
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suggest everyone who has some assertions about
what the GPLv2 does read it through and find the place where it says so.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen GPL citations from the Linus-fanboy curve,
only suggestions that the GPL does not say something which it clearly
does.
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itself suggests. It's not idiotic, it's the most obvious
way to do it.
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, a good
lawyer, and good arguments. But let's assume Microsoft really succeeds with
its patent FUD against Linux, and the only way out is GPLv3, when will
opinions here change?
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, firewalls and
such, which often are Linux based, I don't want them sealed by the vendor,
as well. An explicit statement is even worse than an implicit one (as in
the GPLv2, which has been tested in a German court by Harald Welte -
Siemens had to turn in the keys).
And now flame me to death ;-).
-
may rewrite those few "GPLv2 only" files, and
then I have a GPLv2-or later compatible linux-some.version-bp kernel. And
into this kernel, I can add code under GPLv3 (once the GPLv3 is ready and
there's code worth to add under GPLv3), which limits me to redistribute the
whole thing under GPLv3.
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ollow the advice there, and those who did follow
the advice in the Linux kernel in the vast majority said "GPLv2 or later".
Verbatim copy without understanding? Or is it rather that the other people
who didn't follow the advice didn't read the GPL, and therefore understand
it even less ;-)?
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before and has survived in countries who didn't let
Napoleon in (like the UK and the USA), it's slightly different. But a
contract or a license still is not a program where anything that isn't said
explicitely isn't said at all.
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mplain loud about ATI drivers
not being open, and don't care that much about the Nvidia driver, which is
just as closed, but works.
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simply is no Harald Welte in the US, who
goes after the violators.
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ist of a
processor, some RAM, some flash, a harddisk, and a video driver.
What's true: We don't have the moral power to define *where* the software
goes, but we have the moral power to define *how* users can change the
software when they own the hardware (the physical representation).
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re. The GPL is not reflective (tit-for-tat), it's transient. If
there's a loop in the transient propagation, it becomes reflective through
the loop, but not by itself. This was the case in GPLv1, is the case in
GPLv2, and will be the case in GPLv3.
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"If you want it done right
On Thursday 14 June 2007 17:39, Al Viro wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:23:20AM +0200, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> > A number of kernel hacker deliberately want their work under GPLv2 only
> > (like Al Viro), and they are fully entitled to do that - but they must
> > announce
On Friday 15 June 2007 01:08, Rob Landley wrote:
> On Thursday 14 June 2007 07:27:59 Bernd Paysan wrote:
> > Where is the boundary between hard- and software?
>
> Software's the bit that's infinitely replicable at zero cost. Hardware
> tends not to be.
There's no "
te which way the judge possibly
would decide to help them settle fast. Settlement is way cheaper than a
court verdict, so most sane people choose to settle (unfortunately it's
often the insane people who go to court ;-).
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to the file, and also adds
a comment that this file is now GPLv2 only.
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ecause exploiting loopholes is not "good faith".
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think
it's GPL version 1.1 (but the code is really v2 or later).
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s not
allow tivoization" point of view, and in the USA, the legal sysem might do
the opposite.
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s that you
need to provide all the scripts and stuff you use to make it easy for you.
Come on, *READ* the GPL, before you argue.
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uggestions that the GPL "does not say something" which it clearly
does.
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r COPYING file in the root of
> the kernel tree.
It's a personal comment from Linus, and not clear in any way. Do it the way
the file COPYING itself suggests. It's not "idiotic", it's the most obvious
way to do it.
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e under GPLv3, you need a good asbestos suite, a good
lawyer, and good arguments. But let's assume Microsoft really succeeds with
its patent FUD against Linux, and the only way out is GPLv3, when will
opinions here change?
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