Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-11 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Arend van Spriel wrote: > That was 2 years ago when you asked me ;-) Since then I have been using it > to backport the brcm80211 mainline drivers to 1) Android kernel, ie. 3.4 > kernel, and 2) Fedora 19 which is actually fixed to 3.11 kernel. > > So we use

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-11 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 10/04/14 20:56, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel wrote: Ok, I guess my voice was cracking when I mentioned 2.6.38 as being used over here. I am probably alone in that desert. I thought broadcom didn't use backports? If they do can you explain

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-11 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 10/04/14 20:56, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel ar...@broadcom.com wrote: Ok, I guess my voice was cracking when I mentioned 2.6.38 as being used over here. I am probably alone in that desert. I thought broadcom didn't use backports? If they do

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-11 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Arend van Spriel ar...@broadcom.com wrote: That was 2 years ago when you asked me ;-) Since then I have been using it to backport the brcm80211 mainline drivers to 1) Android kernel, ie. 3.4 kernel, and 2) Fedora 19 which is actually fixed to 3.11 kernel. So

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel wrote: > Ok, I guess my voice was cracking when I mentioned 2.6.38 as being used over > here. I am probably alone in that desert. I thought broadcom didn't use backports? If they do can you explain how? Also what drivers do you need enabled for

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 19:26 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: > On 2014-04-10 19:16, Johannes Berg wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: > > > >> I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that > >> often get in the way when using various

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2014-04-10 19:16, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: > >> I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that >> often get in the way when using various wireless-testing versions ;) > > What do you frequently get conflicts on? I

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: > I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that > often get in the way when using various wireless-testing versions ;) What do you frequently get conflicts on? I haven't seen any for a long time. johannes -- To

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel wrote: > On 04/10/14 18:59, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote: >>> >>> At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, >>> Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700,

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 04/10/14 18:59, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote: At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote: > At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, > Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman >> > wrote: >> > > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > >> On Wed, Apr 9,

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 14:06 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > Why 3.0? That's not supported by anyone anymore for "new hardware", I'd > move to 3.2 if you could, as that's the Debian stable release that will > be maintained for quite some time yet: >

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 14:06 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: Why 3.0? That's not supported by anyone anymore for new hardware, I'd move to 3.2 if you could, as that's the Debian stable release that will be maintained for quite some time yet:

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwai ti...@suse.de wrote: At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 04/10/14 18:59, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwaiti...@suse.de wrote: At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel ar...@broadcom.com wrote: On 04/10/14 18:59, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Takashi Iwaiti...@suse.de wrote: At Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:06:13 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that often get in the way when using various wireless-testing versions ;) What do you frequently get conflicts on? I haven't seen any for a long time. johannes -- To

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2014-04-10 19:16, Johannes Berg wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that often get in the way when using various wireless-testing versions ;) What do you frequently get conflicts on? I haven't

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 19:26 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: On 2014-04-10 19:16, Johannes Berg wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 11:18 +0200, Felix Fietkau wrote: I'm looking forward to getting rid of patches for older kernels that often get in the way when using various wireless-testing versions

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-10 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Arend van Spriel ar...@broadcom.com wrote: Ok, I guess my voice was cracking when I mentioned 2.6.38 as being used over here. I am probably alone in that desert. I thought broadcom didn't use backports? If they do can you explain how? Also what drivers do you

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman > wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman > >> wrote: > >> > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman > wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: > >> > The oldest kernel in OpenWrt

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> > The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates of >> > the backports tree is 3.3, so

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: > > The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates of > > the backports tree is 3.3, so raising the minimum requirement to 3.0 is > > completely fine

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: > The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates of > the backports tree is 3.3, so raising the minimum requirement to 3.0 is > completely fine with me. OK note that 3.3 is not listed on kernel.org as supported. I'm fine

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Arend van Spriel wrote: > > A lot of test teams in broadcom wlan are still using Fedora 15 running a > 2.6.38 kernel. We are pushing them to move to Fedora 19. Fedora 19 seems to be on 3.13, neat! Luis -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 09/04/14 03:03, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: Folks, [...] To start off -- what's the *last* kernel you realistically need for your users to use backports right now? Is it really 2.6.25? Would anyone kick and scream if for the backports-3.15 release try take things up to support only down to

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2014-04-09 03:03, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > Folks, > > we have a age old dance of random parties, in particular the embedded > folks, ending up with random ancient kernels on embedded devices. I've > tried to carefully document a few ideas on why and how I believe we > can make automatic

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2014-04-09 03:03, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: Folks, we have a age old dance of random parties, in particular the embedded folks, ending up with random ancient kernels on embedded devices. I've tried to carefully document a few ideas on why and how I believe we can make automatic kernel

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Arend van Spriel
On 09/04/14 03:03, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: Folks, [...] To start off -- what's the *last* kernel you realistically need for your users to use backports right now? Is it really 2.6.25? Would anyone kick and scream if for the backports-3.15 release try take things up to support only down to

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Arend van Spriel ar...@broadcom.com wrote: A lot of test teams in broadcom wlan are still using Fedora 15 running a 2.6.38 kernel. We are pushing them to move to Fedora 19. Fedora 19 seems to be on 3.13, neat! Luis -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau n...@openwrt.org wrote: The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates of the backports tree is 3.3, so raising the minimum requirement to 3.0 is completely fine with me. OK note that 3.3 is not listed on kernel.org as

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau n...@openwrt.org wrote: The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates of the backports tree is 3.3, so raising the minimum requirement to 3.0 is

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau n...@openwrt.org wrote: The oldest kernel in OpenWrt that we're still supporting with updates

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Felix Fietkau n...@openwrt.org wrote:

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0700, Luis R.

Re: Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-09 Thread Greg Kroah-Hartman
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:52:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman gre...@linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman

Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-08 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
Folks, we have a age old dance of random parties, in particular the embedded folks, ending up with random ancient kernels on embedded devices. I've tried to carefully document a few ideas on why and how I believe we can make automatic kernel backporting scale [0] and part of this will be to try

Bumping required kernels to 3.0 for Linux backports ?

2014-04-08 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
Folks, we have a age old dance of random parties, in particular the embedded folks, ending up with random ancient kernels on embedded devices. I've tried to carefully document a few ideas on why and how I believe we can make automatic kernel backporting scale [0] and part of this will be to try