Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-18 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if a tree falls in a forest but there's nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound? This sort of heisenbug questions aren't solved by nobody hears it so lets chop down the forest to make houses out of the wood answers... Does that mean you

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-17 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
James Bottomley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really don't see a need to declare drivers obsolete unless they bitrot to the point they're demonstrably useless and no-one wants to step up to fix them, which is what the BROKEN flag is for. How do you know if the driver is broken? Especially if it

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-17 Thread James Bottomley
On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 21:03 +0100, Krzysztof Halasa wrote: James Bottomley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really don't see a need to declare drivers obsolete unless they bitrot to the point they're demonstrably useless and no-one wants to step up to fix them, which is what the BROKEN flag is

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-15 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There must have been a compile error that has since been fixed, but I don't remember the details of this specific driver and I don't have such old compile logs anymore. I wonder if we could gather some usage statistics, especially WRT really old

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-15 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Freitag, 15. Dezember 2006 14:34 schrieb Krzysztof Halasa: I find it really hard to believe there are still users of things like CDU-31A CDs, XT MFM disk controllers, or NCR5380 SCSI host adapters (especially the real ones, not DOMEX etc. clones bundled with scanner just ~ 10 years ago).

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-15 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 14:34 +0100, Krzysztof Halasa wrote: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There must have been a compile error that has since been fixed, but I don't remember the details of this specific driver and I don't have such old compile logs anymore. I wonder if we

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-12 Thread James Bottomley
On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 17:22 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: The SCSI_SEAGATE driver has: - already been marked as BROKEN in 2.6.0 three years ago and - is still marked as BROKEN. Drivers that had been marked as BROKEN for such a long time seem to be unlikely to be revived in the forseeable

Re: [2.6 patch] remove the broken SCSI_SEAGATE driver

2006-12-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 05:31:14PM -0600, James Bottomley wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 17:22 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: The SCSI_SEAGATE driver has: - already been marked as BROKEN in 2.6.0 three years ago and - is still marked as BROKEN. Drivers that had been marked as BROKEN for such