Hello,
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:15:22 +0200
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and
Hello Stefan,
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:25:39 +0200
Stefan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Rolland wrote:
getting too much of No help text available
usually results in people no more reading the help text.
I assert that a Kconfig prompt (a visible Kconfig variable) _without_
help
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Paul Rolland wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:15:22 +0200
Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Let's step back a moment and
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the
problem at hand.
The vast majority of users are consumers of pre-compiled kernels, built by
People With Clue(tm), who figured this stuff
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the
problem at hand.
The vast majority of users are consumers of
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:37:37PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
In
practice, this takes too much time, hence you take an existing .config
(yours or somebody else's) and go from there.
Kconfig let's you start with the defconfig when doing make menuconfig
without any
Andi Kleen wrote on 09-09-07 23:22:
When it costs 1 people half an hour to learn and correct this it
wasted 5000 hours of previous livetime.
^^ ^
Poor me. Here I am -- still waiting for my 15 minutes of fame in /this/ life...
;-)
bjd
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James Bottomley wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 23:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
When it costs 1 people half an hour to learn and correct this it
wasted 5000 hours of previous livetime.
Besides there is no good reason to have ever learned this imho.
The process of becoming an expert in the
On 09/10/2007 08:38 AM, Stefan Richter wrote:
Nevertheless we should try to arrange the menus in a way that makes
sense to as many people as possible. The difficulty is, different
environments call for different menu layouts, as your previous example
of SATA DVD-only boxes demonstrates.
I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of code.
In fact you definitely want to have SATA compiled in in case you need
to recover the
Andi Kleen wrote:
I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of code.
In fact you definitely want to have SATA compiled in in case you
The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL
extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds
Disk support over SCSI/SATA is hardly an optional extra. It's more the 99+%
case.
their own kernel but must learn this fact anew.
When it costs 1
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 23:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL
extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds
Disk support over SCSI/SATA is hardly an optional extra. It's more the 99+%
case.
Using that
Folkert van Heusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
Maybe it is a nice enhancement for make menuconfig to more explicitly
give a pop-up or so when someone selects for example a sata controller
while no 'scsi-disk' support was selected?
This has also bitten me one or two times. A reasonable
On 08 Sep 2007 18:07:00 +0200 Andi Kleen wrote:
Folkert van Heusden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
Maybe it is a nice enhancement for make menuconfig to more explicitly
give a pop-up or so when someone selects for example a sata controller
while no 'scsi-disk' support was selected?
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 09:50:08AM -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
On 08 Sep 2007 18:07:00 +0200 Andi Kleen wrote:
This has also bitten me one or two times. A reasonable way would
be to just select SD automatically for !EMBEDDED
I'd say that someone needs to use a vendor kernel, or at least
I'd say that someone needs to use a vendor kernel, or at least
begin with a vendor .config file...
Vendor kernels tend to compile forever and require initrds. For
just testing a kernel quickly compiling only a few drivers in
is much more convenient.
Also when you've been using CONFIG_IDE
Andi Kleen wrote:
when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
Tough.
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On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:30:06PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Andi Kleen wrote:
when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
Tough.
The individual driver
Andi Kleen wrote:
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:30:06PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Andi Kleen wrote:
when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
Tough.
The individual
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