- things to do while we wait on compilers :)
read the error messages
watch stack traces
go to the races
cheers
peter
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:24 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
yes.
me too please.
this is a really neat idea.
i'm sure lots of us have been held back from trying gentoo because of
Peter Elliott wrote:
a query re maintainability - how often is it necessary to do updates of key parts of the system? or big beasts like kde co?
cheers
peter
It all depends what you what to keep with, security issues are generally
an issue in smaller packages i.e apache,squid,bind etc.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:12 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the question is, what can be reasonably expected from a 8hr
session?
I'd expect that everybody could go home with a working system created from the
stage3.tar.bz2 archive file. They would then go home
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:28:11 +1200
Chris Bayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Elliott wrote:
a query re maintainability - how often is it necessary to do updates of key parts
of the system? or big beasts like kde co?
cheers
peter
It all depends what you what to keep with, security
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:23, Peter Elliott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:24 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
yes.
me too please.
this is a really neat idea.
Thank you.
i'm
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:49, Peter Elliott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:12 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those folk seriously interested should do just a tiny bit of the rtfm
act:-
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml
and for x86
depends what he wants to run on it and whteher he has other machines
to distcc to.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:14:14+1200 Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30, Dave Lilley wrote:
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
I'm a
gentoo DOES have stable and unstable, via (on x86) the x86 and ~x86
flags in an ebuild script.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:48:44+1200 Christopher
Sawtell[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:41, Brad Beveridge wrote:
I was meaning Gentoo unstable.
Gentoo has a single Portage tree which
I wish to
unsubscribe linux-users
I will re subscribe in the near future with an alternative
email address
Thank you
Ivan Fletcher
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:56:40 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:47, you wrote:
Yeah... everyone should have a NIC, and any machine that is not
currently installing should be compiling for others (it can do this
no matter what distro it's currently
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:00, you wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:56:40 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:47, you wrote:
Yeah... everyone should have a NIC, and any machine that is not
currently installing should be compiling for others (it can do this
Chris Bayley, 2003-06-11 21:52:39 +1200:
Timothy Musson wrote:
Nick Rout, 2003-06-11 08:03:40 +1200:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:21:30+1200 Timothy Musson wrote:
Chris Bayley, 2003-06-10 19:33:40 +1200:
I have 16K+ messages in my inbox and would like to run
procmail over it
[...lots
My PII/400 with 384Mb ram took about 24hrs I recall (not 4 days) but a P200
with 96 Mb would struggle I am sure.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 5:14 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Lilley
one idea might be to standardise the distcc daemon machines byu using
knoppix. There is a specific knoppix variant which has distcc I
believe.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:08:27+1200 Christopher
Sawtell[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:00, you wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:56:40 +1200
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 07:44:37AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
one idea might be to standardise the distcc daemon machines byu using
knoppix. There is a specific knoppix variant which has distcc I
believe.
I think this is a better idea than expecting everyone to {up,down}grade
to 3.2.2. It also
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
one idea might be to standardise the distcc daemon machines byu using
knoppix. There is a specific knoppix variant which has distcc I
believe.
I have the latest Knoppix installed on my hard drive and it certainly have
distcc. I would imagine it's there on the live boot
excellent, what version of gcc?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:00:35 +1200
Hamish McBrearty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the latest Knoppix installed on my hard drive and it certainly have
distcc. I would imagine it's there on the live boot cd as well.
OK, this project is obviously a goer. Well done Chris for proposing it.
I think we should have a Checklist / Project plan. Please feel free to add
to /amend / delete this:-
Date:
What about 22nd June
Venue:
Is the OSTC going to be large enough?
Hub:
I can bring a 16 port 100 base T Hub (a
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
OK, this project is obviously a goer. Well done Chris for proposing it.
I think we should have a Checklist / Project plan. Please feel free to add
to /amend / delete this:-
Date:
What about 22nd June
What about incorporating it into the next meeting?
Just a thought doesnt the 1.4-rc4 have distcc on it as well ???and it is a
running install once booted off ...even if you have a current install all you
have to do is use the gentoo live cd on any spare machines and all should be
well ..setup networking , mount a disk somewhere to save the
I assume you mean the planning not the installfest?
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Carl Cerecke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 9:40 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
OK, this
yes i was going to suss this out and see whether we are better with knoppix or a
gentoo-live cd.
again the question - what version of gcc is on the gentoo-live cd?
there is a ebuild livecd-ng for gentoo which allows preparation of a custom built
cdrom iso. I shall play some time and we can
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I assume you mean the planning not the installfest?
No. I meant the installfest.
How many people want Gentoo installed anyway?
5-6?
There should be plenty of room for that number.
Or will the compiling take all night?
Cheers,
Carl.
It would pretty much have to = 3.2, or else you would have to install the
gcc/binutils toolchain, then compile the 3.2 toolchain install from there on. AFAIK
all Gentoo 1.4RC install CDs are based on 3.2, and all 1.2 CDs were based on 2.95.xx
I am pretty sure that distcc works by sending
Well that is a good question Carl.
Call you put your hands up please punters?
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Carl Cerecke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 10:21 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest
Fisher, Robert
At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the
weekend but Im looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has
suggested Mozilla Composer, Screem or Quanta.
gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 (Debian)
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
excellent, what version of gcc?
On Thu, 12
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
Im looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has suggested Mozilla Composer,
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:26, you wrote:
Well that is a good question Carl.
Call you put your hands up please punters?
This is the list so far.
Installers / helpers
Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Bayley
Call you put your hands up please punters?
I have a Compaq Laptop that I would like to install Gentoo on. It is an
Athlon-XP 1800 with 128MB RAM.
I also have 7 PC's at the OSTC that you can add to the dist-cc cluster to
help with the compiling. They are only PII 300's with 64 MB RAM, but
This is the list so far.
Installers / helpers
Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Bayley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installees
==
Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lance Blackler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
Im looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
If you grok XML and the advantages of it, you might want to think about
using XHTML. In which case if you d/load the
Maybe I'm confused (usually am :), but it sounds to me like you want to
filter a maildir in place, moving stuff that matches the recipes but
I didn't quite follow the thread closely but all the issues I saw are
trivially solved in procmail. If you want to filter an existing mailbox
and store
It doesnt reallt matter as long as the refresh rate etc is at a scale most
monitors will run you wont have any issues when changing ...all you have to
do is alter screen size and refresh rate etc to suit when you get it home
.best Idea would be to run at something like 1024x768 60hz during
This all works for methanks all.
Cheers
Jason Greenwood
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
OK, this project is obviously a goer. Well done Chris for proposing it.
I think we should have a Checklist / Project plan. Please feel free to add
to /amend / delete this:-
Date:
What about 22nd June
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
Im looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
[Breathe, Michael. In... out... in... out...]
rant flamesuit=on
1. True WYSIWYG is impossible for Web authoring as you
I could response to Michael JasonSmith about the 'real world' but I will hold my
breath.
Peter van Hout
-Original Message-
From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:40 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu,
Agree'd, this is a site I just built and launched:
http://www.flashcards.co.nz/
I'm sure it's horrid HTML but I used solely Dreamweaver and the time it
would have taken me to learn the HTML means I would have launched, in
say, oh 2005. =)
I needed it quick and dirty, not perfect... BTW, the
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 11:46, Peter van Hout wrote:
I could respond to Michael JasonSmith about the 'real world' but I
will hold my breath.
But you didn't :P
I know, I am a l33t purist with a tenuous relationship to reality. I
have the same arguments with most people who work with HTML day in
I'm a helper with a distccd machine (Athlon 1133/512MB RAM)
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:48:07 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:26, you wrote:
Well that is a good question Carl.
Call you put your hands up please punters?
This is the list so far.
I might be...turning blue as we write.call 11.quick...
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:56 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: RE: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 11:46, Peter van Hout
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:18, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
OK, this project is obviously a goer. Well done Chris for proposing it.
Thank you.
I think we should have a Checklist / Project plan. Please feel free to add
to /amend / delete this:-
Date:
What about 22nd June
I think it might
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 22:00, Nick Rout wrote:
apparently not. from http://distcc.samba.org/
distcc does not require all machines to share a filesystem, have
synchronized clocks, or to have the same libraries or header files
installed. Machines can be running different operating systems, as
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
I'm looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has
And just for the record, MSFP creates markedly more horrid (read:
proprietary) HTML than DW ever couldPlus, it leaves tags all over
the show that tells everyone that it was created in front page!!!
Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
On Thursday 12 June 2003 10:48, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
This is the list so far.
Installers / helpers
Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Bayley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installees
==
Jason
I am no Guru.
I changed from Dreamweaver on Windows to Mozilla Composer on Linux with not
too many hassles to create a fairly simple web site for my remote family and
friends.
http://www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz/index.htm
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell
I would agree that MSFP does do stuff that you do not want it to do and
it's a pain sometimes. I did give DW ago but phew..it was heavy
going...then I suppose I did have no training, had no manual, and went
in all guns a blazing...
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL
Salient points Gareth, I agree...
Gareth Williams wrote:
On Thursday 12 June 2003 10:48, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
This is the list so far.
Installers / helpers
Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Bayley
consider hand raised and madly waving here
cheers
peter
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:26:03 +1200
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well that is a good question Carl.
Call you put your hands up please punters?
Regards, Robert
It isn't for the faint of heart and I don;t use all its features but I
am self-taught DW user who had NO knowlege of HTML just 2 years ago. I
just used their tutorial and started creating... =)
Peter van Hout wrote:
I would agree that MSFP does do stuff that you do not want it to do and
it's a
I think it is still important to know how many / what machines we are going
to install Gentoo onto.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Gareth Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 12:17 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:29, you wrote:
consider hand raised and madly waving here
Noted, Please could you do the cat /prog/{pci,cpuinfo} bit post the result?
--
C. S.
PII 300MHz with 512 RAM, AOpen CD Writer, SB 16 bla bla, lots o drive
space bla bla. =)
Cheers
Jason
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I think it is still important to know how many / what machines we are going
to install Gentoo onto.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Gareth
I'm interested, but not yet sure if I have enough spare space on my hd.
Anyway, I could bring my P4M-1.8MHz laptop to help with the compiling.
Cheers,
Conrad.
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:26, you wrote:
Well that is a good question Carl.
Call you put your hands up
apologies for earlier handwaving noises
desired information below
thanks
peter
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:59:10 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PC's to be Gentoo'ed
We do need to know what kinds of machines are coming.
the commands:-
cat /proc/cpuinfo
cat /proc/pci
Will
And just for the record, MSFP creates markedly more horrid (read:
proprietary) HTML than DW ever could
None of the DW pages I've examined in the past passed the basic w3c
compliancy test. However, given the choice I'd use DW over FP any day.
Volker
--
Volker Kuhlmann is
hi nick Nick
more news on the kernel front.
have just read this mail from mandrake security:
MDKSA-2003:066 - Updated kernel packages fix multiple vulnerabilities.
They've included the following amongst the various fixes c:
* Support for more machines that did not work with APIC
i
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:56:10 +1200
Michael JasonSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...snip...]
The tools work best if you
know how the system works, and you are not fooled into believing in a
WYSIWYG Web.
exactly.
this persistent delusion that site creators can (and should) control how
'their'
So who cares if you have opened a 'can of worms' so long as it is an
interesting debate which does not get personal and gets everyone else a
different view point.
Peter van Hout
-Original Message-
From: Peter Elliott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 1:27 p.m.
To:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:59, you wrote:
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 22:00, Nick Rout wrote:
apparently not. from http://distcc.samba.org/
distcc does not require all machines to share a filesystem, have
synchronized clocks, or to have the same libraries or header files
installed. Machines can
Gareth Williams wrote:
However, the date - 22nd June. Ack. I've got final exams (for uni, 300 level
comp sci) on the 23rd and 27th. So I was kinda hoping people were planning on
sooner (like this weekend), or later (like sometime in July), but not that
pesky period inbetween ;-)
But if
Yeah pretty much got the picture - run procmail on the inbox - have a
look at whats left there - tweak the promail recipies - run agin until
nothing is left...
By then I should have woked out just about every rule I'm ever likely to
need.
: )
Maybe procmail returns a differnt result if it
Looks like a wait is on the cardsfine by me.
Cheers
Jason
PS, more advanced notice means more people can come, not necessarily a
good thing with Gentoo it seems...??
Chris Bayley wrote:
Gareth Williams wrote:
However, the date - 22nd June. Ack. I've got final exams (for uni,
300 level
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:54, Chris Bayley wrote:
Gareth Williams wrote:
However, the date - 22nd June. Ack. I've got final exams (for uni, 300
level comp sci) on the 23rd and 27th. So I was kinda hoping people were
planning on sooner (like this weekend), or later (like sometime in July),
but
On Thursday 12 June 2003 16:41, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
No, no. We have to at least attempt to choose a date which is suitable for
as many people as possible.
Thank you :-)
OK. How does Saturday 05/july/03 suit folks?
Suits me perfectly.
That's the Saturday immediately after the next
This date is OK for me.
Do you realise that it is the first weekend of the school holidays - does
that affect anybody?
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 4:41 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris
I've only got the one box linux is on a 15gig Hd but wanted to see if
gentoo was okay on the 2gig (push goes to shove i'll use the 15 gig
drive).
uses...
normal pc stuff word processing, Programming (eg kylix).
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 20:28, Nick Rout wrote:
depends what he wants to run on it
Snipped lots out
OK. How does Saturday 05/july/03 suit folks?
That's the Saturday immediately after the next CLUG meeting on Monday
30/june/2000. I think we need some time at the meeting to try out the distcc
5 July 2003 is a goer for me.
dave.
Looks OK for me so far
Lance B
- Original Message -
From: Dave Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:07:49 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest
Snipped lots out
OK. How does Saturday 05/july/03 suit folks?
That's the Saturday immediately
5 July folling the CLUG meeting sounds like a real good idea !
I'm in.
/cb
Hi there,
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I am no Guru.
I changed from Dreamweaver on Windows to Mozilla Composer on Linux with not
too many hassles to create a fairly simple web site for my remote family and
friends.
http://www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz/index.htm
I rely solely on Kate (yes, as
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:41:05 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK. How does Saturday 05/july/03 suit folks?
That's the Saturday immediately after the next CLUG meeting on Monday
30/june/2000.
this is fine with me
thanks
peter
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